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Doesn't matter as much in 6s but in general gameplay, pyro does WAAAAY too much damage with zero aim required
Pyro does way too much damage now
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Title.
Doesn't matter as much in 6s but in general gameplay, pyro does WAAAAY too much damage with zero aim required
Doesn't matter as much in 6s but in general gameplay, pyro does WAAAAY too much damage with zero aim required
turns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good
turns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good
pyropenguinturns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc
[quote=pyropenguin]turns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good[/quote]
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc
smzipyropenguinturns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing
[quote=smzi][quote=pyropenguin]turns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good[/quote]
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc[/quote]
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc[/quote]
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing
smzipyropenguinturns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc
Yes but you actually have to aim those. Pyro is still shit at range but as soon as he can so much as look at your general direction, you get melted in 1-2 secs.
Like I said, doesn't matter as much in high level 6s because focus fire/heals/human aimbot scouts but in general tf2 gameplay it's just retarded. Hell I even tried playing pyro in lobbies against players that are far better than your average pubbie and I consistently got 300+ dpm just by holding m1 and walking forward.
[quote=smzi][quote=pyropenguin]turns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good[/quote]
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc[/quote]
Yes but you actually have to aim those. Pyro is still shit at range but as soon as he can so much as look at your general direction, you get melted in 1-2 secs.
Like I said, doesn't matter as much in high level 6s because focus fire/heals/human aimbot scouts but in general tf2 gameplay it's just retarded. Hell I even tried playing pyro in lobbies against players that are far better than your average pubbie and I consistently got 300+ dpm just by holding m1 and walking forward.
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc[/quote]
Yes but you actually have to aim those. Pyro is still shit at range but as soon as he can so much as look at your general direction, you get melted in 1-2 secs.
Like I said, doesn't matter as much in high level 6s because focus fire/heals/human aimbot scouts but in general tf2 gameplay it's just retarded. Hell I even tried playing pyro in lobbies against players that are far better than your average pubbie and I consistently got 300+ dpm just by holding m1 and walking forward.
panda106smzipyropenguinturns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.
[quote=panda106][quote=smzi][quote=pyropenguin]turns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good[/quote]
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc[/quote]
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing[/quote]
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc[/quote]
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing[/quote]
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.
Are we talking about DF or Pyro's primaries in general?
Are we talking about DF or Pyro's primaries in general?
Doom1panda106Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.smzipyropenguinturns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing
you fuck those soldiers up dude fucking foot fetishists hell yeah you go doom1
[quote=Doom1][quote=panda106][quote=smzi][quote=pyropenguin]turns out 2-3 shotting 8/9 classes is preeetty good[/quote]
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc[/quote]
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing[/quote]
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.[/quote]
you fuck those soldiers up dude fucking foot fetishists hell yeah you go doom1
so does scout, soldier, demo, engie, heavy (shotgun) etc[/quote]
those require aim, there's a reason w+m1 is a thing[/quote]
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.[/quote]
you fuck those soldiers up dude fucking foot fetishists hell yeah you go doom1
Doom1Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.
how can you be on a site for competitive tf2 and be this dumb
[quote=Doom1]
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.[/quote]
how can you be on a site for competitive tf2 and be this dumb
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.[/quote]
how can you be on a site for competitive tf2 and be this dumb
Either way, I agree that Valve fucked up the normal flamethrowers' flames and tracking, while DF has too big hitbox imo
Either way, I agree that Valve fucked up the normal flamethrowers' flames and tracking, while DF has too big hitbox imo
Hunter_2_0Doom1Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.
how can you be on a site for competitive tf2 and be this dumb
he's an engineer main what do you expect
[quote=Hunter_2_0][quote=Doom1]
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.[/quote]
how can you be on a site for competitive tf2 and be this dumb[/quote]
he's an engineer main what do you expect
Yes, shooting at feet as a soldier requires tons of aim.[/quote]
how can you be on a site for competitive tf2 and be this dumb[/quote]
he's an engineer main what do you expect
I really don't see the point of these threads. Of course pyro has a very low skill floor and skill ceiling, it's been known for a long time. You're just stating a fact. I can't really see any suggestion on how to fix that here. And if you're saying pyro does too much damage/should do less damage then sorry but no way. The only situation in which he's even remotely useful is close range, in which he still does less damage than Heavy and somewhat equal to Soldier and Scout.
I really don't see the point of these threads. Of course pyro has a very low skill floor and skill ceiling, it's been known for a long time. You're just stating a fact. I can't really see any suggestion on how to fix that here. And if you're saying pyro does too much damage/should do less damage then sorry but no way. The only situation in which he's even remotely useful is close range, in which he still does less damage than Heavy and somewhat equal to Soldier and Scout.
so you are talking about casual as in general gameplay, and not 6s? because casual in general is full of awful features lol, i dont think pyro puts it over the edge. im not saying that i disagree with you, but his range is still awful, has glaring weaknesses, and you can still deal with him.
so you are talking about casual as in general gameplay, and not 6s? because casual in general is full of awful features lol, i dont think pyro puts it over the edge. im not saying that i disagree with you, but his range is still awful, has glaring weaknesses, and you can still deal with him.
Idk why I'm even replying to this but meh
Doom1it's been known for a long time.
The update came out a few weeks ago
Doom1The only situation in which he's even remotely useful is close range, in which he still does less damage than Heavy
Heavy? You mean the slowest class in tf2 whose primary also has a wind up time and further reduces his movement speed?
Doom1somewhat equal to Soldier and Scout.
You mean classes that have a finite clip size and require aiming to hit their shots and don't have a fridge sized cone that does the exact same amount of damage regardless of which part is actually touching you
Doom1 can't really see any suggestion on how to fix that here.
Lower the max dmg range to what it used to be and make it so the center of the cone does more dmg and the edges do less dmg so you cant just flail your mouse around and do max damage
Idk why I'm even replying to this but meh
[quote=Doom1]it's been known for a long time.[/quote]
The update came out a few weeks ago
[quote=Doom1]The only situation in which he's even remotely useful is close range, in which he still does less damage than Heavy[/quote]
Heavy? You mean the slowest class in tf2 whose primary also has a wind up time and further reduces his movement speed?
[quote=Doom1]somewhat equal to Soldier and Scout.[/quote]
You mean classes that have a finite clip size and require aiming to hit their shots and don't have a fridge sized cone that does the exact same amount of damage regardless of which part is actually touching you
[quote=Doom1] can't really see any suggestion on how to fix that here.[/quote]
Lower the max dmg range to what it used to be and make it so the center of the cone does more dmg and the edges do less dmg so you cant just flail your mouse around and do max damage
[quote=Doom1]it's been known for a long time.[/quote]
The update came out a few weeks ago
[quote=Doom1]The only situation in which he's even remotely useful is close range, in which he still does less damage than Heavy[/quote]
Heavy? You mean the slowest class in tf2 whose primary also has a wind up time and further reduces his movement speed?
[quote=Doom1]somewhat equal to Soldier and Scout.[/quote]
You mean classes that have a finite clip size and require aiming to hit their shots and don't have a fridge sized cone that does the exact same amount of damage regardless of which part is actually touching you
[quote=Doom1] can't really see any suggestion on how to fix that here.[/quote]
Lower the max dmg range to what it used to be and make it so the center of the cone does more dmg and the edges do less dmg so you cant just flail your mouse around and do max damage
hayesso you are talking about casual as in general gameplay, and not 6s? because casual in general is full of awful features lol, i dont think pyro puts it over the edge. im not saying that i disagree with you, but his range is still awful, has glaring weaknesses, and you can still deal with him.
It's still the fact that current flames work unintended and do not require proper tracking as Valve originally intended with their changes.
[quote=hayes]so you are talking about casual as in general gameplay, and not 6s? because casual in general is full of awful features lol, i dont think pyro puts it over the edge. im not saying that i disagree with you, but his range is still awful, has glaring weaknesses, and you can still deal with him.[/quote]
It's still the fact that current flames work unintended and do not require proper tracking as Valve originally intended with their changes.
It's still the fact that current flames work unintended and do not require proper tracking as Valve originally intended with their changes.
SentinelIdk why I'm even replying to this but meh
Doom1it's been known for a long time.
The update came out a few weeks ago
Doom1The only situation in which he's even remotely useful is close range, in which he still does less damage than Heavy
Heavy? You mean the slowest class in tf2?
Doom1somewhat equal to Soldier and Scout.
That require aiming to hit their shots and don't have a fridge sized cone that does the exact same amount of damage regardless of which part is actually touching you
The update didn't change anything in terms of pyro skill floor/ceiling. And yes, Soldier and Scout require more aiming, so again, in this thread you're just saying pyro takes no skill. Well congratulations, didn't know that.
Antareshe's an engineer main what do you expect
An engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.
[quote=Sentinel]Idk why I'm even replying to this but meh
[quote=Doom1]it's been known for a long time.[/quote]
The update came out a few weeks ago
[quote=Doom1]The only situation in which he's even remotely useful is close range, in which he still does less damage than Heavy[/quote]
Heavy? You mean the slowest class in tf2?
[quote=Doom1]somewhat equal to Soldier and Scout.[/quote]
That require aiming to hit their shots and don't have a fridge sized cone that does the exact same amount of damage regardless of which part is actually touching you[/quote]
The update didn't change anything in terms of pyro skill floor/ceiling. And yes, Soldier and Scout require more aiming, so again, in this thread you're just saying pyro takes no skill. Well congratulations, didn't know that.
[quote=Antares]
he's an engineer main what do you expect[/quote]
An engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.
[quote=Doom1]it's been known for a long time.[/quote]
The update came out a few weeks ago
[quote=Doom1]The only situation in which he's even remotely useful is close range, in which he still does less damage than Heavy[/quote]
Heavy? You mean the slowest class in tf2?
[quote=Doom1]somewhat equal to Soldier and Scout.[/quote]
That require aiming to hit their shots and don't have a fridge sized cone that does the exact same amount of damage regardless of which part is actually touching you[/quote]
The update didn't change anything in terms of pyro skill floor/ceiling. And yes, Soldier and Scout require more aiming, so again, in this thread you're just saying pyro takes no skill. Well congratulations, didn't know that.
[quote=Antares]
he's an engineer main what do you expect[/quote]
An engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.
the flamethrower does require some tracking skill, but i never read where valve stated that it requires perfect tracking. idk what you guys want, you can just shit on every pyro right now using the default. the DF probably needs changes, but im not sure what yall were expecting exactly
the flamethrower does require some tracking skill, but i never read where valve stated that it requires perfect tracking. idk what you guys want, you can just shit on every pyro right now using the default. the DF probably needs changes, but im not sure what yall were expecting exactly
Doom1Antareshe's an engineer main what do you expectAn engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.
doesn't matter if i'd be a pubber mongoloid i'd still rate higher than a degenerate 0 aim engineer
[quote=Doom1]
[quote=Antares]
he's an engineer main what do you expect[/quote]
An engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.[/quote]
doesn't matter if i'd be a pubber mongoloid i'd still rate higher than a degenerate 0 aim engineer
[quote=Antares]
he's an engineer main what do you expect[/quote]
An engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.[/quote]
doesn't matter if i'd be a pubber mongoloid i'd still rate higher than a degenerate 0 aim engineer
AntaresDoom1Antareshe's an engineer main what do you expectAn engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.
doesn't matter if i'd be a pubber mongoloid i'd still rate higher than a degenerate 0 aim engineer
Then why didn't you lol? You played 7 seasons of 6s and you're still below a degenerate 0 aim engineer.
[quote=Antares][quote=Doom1]
[quote=Antares]
he's an engineer main what do you expect[/quote]
An engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.[/quote]
doesn't matter if i'd be a pubber mongoloid i'd still rate higher than a degenerate 0 aim engineer[/quote]
Then why didn't you lol? You played 7 seasons of 6s and you're still below a degenerate 0 aim engineer.
[quote=Antares]
he's an engineer main what do you expect[/quote]
An engie main that achieved more at 6s than you :) Wonder where that puts you on the scale.[/quote]
doesn't matter if i'd be a pubber mongoloid i'd still rate higher than a degenerate 0 aim engineer[/quote]
Then why didn't you lol? You played 7 seasons of 6s and you're still below a degenerate 0 aim engineer.
hayesthe flamethrower does require some tracking skill, but i never read where valve stated that it requires perfect tracking. idk what you guys want, you can just shit on every pyro right now using the default. the DF probably needs changes, but im not sure what yall were expecting exactly
There's a video which explains the Pyro situation pretty well.
[quote=hayes]the flamethrower does require some tracking skill, but i never read where valve stated that it requires perfect tracking. idk what you guys want, you can just shit on every pyro right now using the default. the DF probably needs changes, but im not sure what yall were expecting exactly[/quote]
There's a [url=https://youtu.be/aIIgr_qt8mw]video[/url] which explains the Pyro situation pretty well.
There's a [url=https://youtu.be/aIIgr_qt8mw]video[/url] which explains the Pyro situation pretty well.
gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done
gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done
i'm done
Doom1
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
Antaresgets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.
[quote=Doom1][/quote]
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.
hayesthe flamethrower does require some tracking skill, but i never read where valve stated that it requires perfect tracking. idk what you guys want, you can just shit on every pyro right now using the default. the DF probably needs changes, but im not sure what yall were expecting exactly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIIgr_qt8mw&t=2m13s
truly an enormous amount of tracking skill shown here
[quote=hayes]the flamethrower does require some tracking skill, but i never read where valve stated that it requires perfect tracking. idk what you guys want, you can just shit on every pyro right now using the default. the DF probably needs changes, but im not sure what yall were expecting exactly[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIIgr_qt8mw&t=2m13s
truly an enormous amount of tracking skill shown here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIIgr_qt8mw&t=2m13s
truly an enormous amount of tracking skill shown here
Hermann_von_SalsaDoom1
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
Antaresgets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.
If it's something unintended and that's what you're talking about then how about stating it in the title or even first post? He doesn't say anything really, doesn't even specify if he means dragon fury or stock flamethrower, doesn't say what exacly changed that makes him feel that pyro does more damage now than he should and doesn't suggest any change. Useless thread.
Antaresgets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done
If i remember you correctly you're utter trash, but I don't have a good memory for bad players so maybe im confusing you with someone. I also don't have a massive ego, I am better than you and it's a fact.
Also, nice edit Sentinel lmao
[quote=Hermann_von_Salsa][quote=Doom1][/quote]
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.[/quote]
If it's something unintended and that's what you're talking about then how about stating it in the title or even first post? He doesn't say anything really, doesn't even specify if he means dragon fury or stock flamethrower, doesn't say what exacly changed that makes him feel that pyro does more damage now than he should and doesn't suggest any change. Useless thread.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
If i remember you correctly you're utter trash, but I don't have a good memory for bad players so maybe im confusing you with someone. I also don't have a massive ego, I am better than you and it's a fact.
Also, nice edit Sentinel lmao
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.[/quote]
If it's something unintended and that's what you're talking about then how about stating it in the title or even first post? He doesn't say anything really, doesn't even specify if he means dragon fury or stock flamethrower, doesn't say what exacly changed that makes him feel that pyro does more damage now than he should and doesn't suggest any change. Useless thread.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
If i remember you correctly you're utter trash, but I don't have a good memory for bad players so maybe im confusing you with someone. I also don't have a massive ego, I am better than you and it's a fact.
Also, nice edit Sentinel lmao
Doom1Hermann_von_SalsaDoom1
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
Antaresgets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.
If it's something unintended and that's what you're talking about then how about stating it in the title or even first post? He doesn't say anything really, doesn't even specify if he means dragon fury or stock flamethrower, doesn't say what exacly changed that makes him feel that pyro does more damage now than he should and doesn't suggest any change. Useless thread.Antaresgets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized egoIf i remember you correctly you're utter trash, but I don't have a good memory for bad players so maybe im confusing you with someone. I also don't have a massive ego, I am better than you and it's a fact.
i'm done
hell yeaah you tell em man
[quote=Doom1][quote=Hermann_von_Salsa][quote=Doom1][/quote]
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.[/quote]
If it's something unintended and that's what you're talking about then how about stating it in the title or even first post? He doesn't say anything really, doesn't even specify if he means dragon fury or stock flamethrower, doesn't say what exacly changed that makes him feel that pyro does more damage now than he should and doesn't suggest any change. Useless thread.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
If i remember you correctly you're utter trash, but I don't have a good memory for bad players so maybe im confusing you with someone. I also don't have a massive ego, I am better than you and it's a fact.[/quote]
hell yeaah you tell em man
It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.[/quote]
If it's something unintended and that's what you're talking about then how about stating it in the title or even first post? He doesn't say anything really, doesn't even specify if he means dragon fury or stock flamethrower, doesn't say what exacly changed that makes him feel that pyro does more damage now than he should and doesn't suggest any change. Useless thread.
[quote=Antares]gets carried 5 seasons ago and has a b4nny sized ego
i'm done[/quote]
If i remember you correctly you're utter trash, but I don't have a good memory for bad players so maybe im confusing you with someone. I also don't have a massive ego, I am better than you and it's a fact.[/quote]
hell yeaah you tell em man
hayesthe flamethrower does require some tracking skill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_2h1xvFdEU
look at my "tracking" """skill"""
[quote=hayes]the flamethrower does require some tracking skill[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_2h1xvFdEU
look at my "tracking" """skill"""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_2h1xvFdEU
look at my "tracking" """skill"""
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