Okay so I usually use Defraggler to defragment any HDD's I have, but I hadn't done so in a while, so I loaded it up and it gave me an option to defrag my solid state drive, to my surprise. I had been told previously that solid state drives don't ever need to be defragmented, but from what I could tell with some google searches is that you can defrag SSD's, however it reduces their lifespan. The reason I'm asking whether or not I should defrag my SSD here is because Defraggler says it's 50% fragmented, which is a big concerning. So I was curious, is anyone familiar with this topic, potentially Mr. Setsul?
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Okay so I usually use Defraggler to defragment any HDD's I have, but I hadn't done so in a while, so I loaded it up and it gave me an option to defrag my solid state drive, to my surprise. I had been told previously that solid state drives don't ever need to be defragmented, but from what I could tell with some google searches is that you can defrag SSD's, however it reduces their lifespan. The reason I'm asking whether or not I should defrag my SSD here is because Defraggler says it's 50% fragmented, which is a big concerning. So I was curious, is anyone familiar with this topic, potentially Mr. Setsul?
the postion of the datas on a ssd has nothing to do with its capability of writing datas quicker. so i wouldnt it also uses down the duration of your ssd
the postion of the datas on a ssd has nothing to do with its capability of writing datas quicker. so i wouldnt it also uses down the duration of your ssd
SSDs get fragmented but it doesn't matter, it won't affect the performance what so ever
do not defragment
SSDs get fragmented but it doesn't matter, it won't affect the performance what so ever
do not defragment
do not defragment
SSDs always fragment because of how they work.
HDDs are terrible for random reads/writes so you want all files to be as continuous as possible or performance will suffer.
The whole point of SSDs is that they are good at random reads/writes (no moving parts) so fragmentation doesn't really matter.
So basically defragging HDDs:
pro: gets faster
con: none
Defragging SSDs:
pro: none
con: dies
SSDs always fragment because of how they work.
HDDs are terrible for random reads/writes so you want all files to be as continuous as possible or performance will suffer.
The whole point of SSDs is that they are good at random reads/writes (no moving parts) so fragmentation doesn't really matter.
So basically defragging HDDs:
pro: gets faster
con: none
Defragging SSDs:
pro: none
con: dies
HDDs are terrible for random reads/writes so you want all files to be as continuous as possible or performance will suffer.
The whole point of SSDs is that they are good at random reads/writes (no moving parts) so fragmentation doesn't really matter.
So basically defragging HDDs:
pro: gets faster
con: none
Defragging SSDs:
pro: none
con: dies
SetsulSSDs always fragment because of how they work.
HDDs are terrible for random reads/writes so you want all files to be as continuous as possible or performance will suffer.
The whole point of SSDs is that they are good at random reads/writes (no moving parts) so fragmentation doesn't really matter.
So basically defragging HDDs:
pro: gets faster
con: none
Defragging SSDs:
pro: none
con: dies
I don't quite fully understand what you said but thanks for info, I'll avoid defragging my SSD's
[quote=Setsul]SSDs always fragment because of how they work.
HDDs are terrible for random reads/writes so you want all files to be as continuous as possible or performance will suffer.
The whole point of SSDs is that they are good at random reads/writes (no moving parts) so fragmentation doesn't really matter.
So basically defragging HDDs:
pro: gets faster
con: none
Defragging SSDs:
pro: none
con: dies[/quote]
I don't quite fully understand what you said but thanks for info, I'll avoid defragging my SSD's
HDDs are terrible for random reads/writes so you want all files to be as continuous as possible or performance will suffer.
The whole point of SSDs is that they are good at random reads/writes (no moving parts) so fragmentation doesn't really matter.
So basically defragging HDDs:
pro: gets faster
con: none
Defragging SSDs:
pro: none
con: dies[/quote]
I don't quite fully understand what you said but thanks for info, I'll avoid defragging my SSD's
defragging an SSD is bad because SSDs have a limited lifespan when compared to HDDs and defragmenting one just reads from/writes to it unneccessarily
defragging an SSD is bad because SSDs have a limited lifespan when compared to HDDs and defragmenting one just reads from/writes to it unneccessarily
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https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/blog-ssd-inside.jpg
That is what a typical ssd looks like on the inside. The long black rectangles are where the data resides. You can get data from each rectangle at the same time without any downsides. Therefore, if you have a file that is split across 8 rectangles it will load 8 times faster than if it was all on 1 rectangle. That's why your computer says the ssd is highly fragmented (split across multiple rectangles), it is faster for it to do so.
In addition, each time you need to put data onto a rectangle in the ssd it degrades the internals of the rectangle, so attempting to defragment an ssd will not only make it perform worse, it will actually cause it to die faster.
#5
[img]https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/blog-ssd-inside.jpg[/img]
That is what a typical ssd looks like on the inside. The long black rectangles are where the data resides. You can get data from each rectangle at the same time without any downsides. Therefore, if you have a file that is split across 8 rectangles it will load 8 times faster than if it was all on 1 rectangle. That's why your computer says the ssd is highly fragmented (split across multiple rectangles), it is faster for it to do so.
In addition, each time you need to put data onto a rectangle in the ssd it degrades the internals of the rectangle, so attempting to defragment an ssd will not only make it perform worse, it will actually cause it to die faster.
[img]https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/blog-ssd-inside.jpg[/img]
That is what a typical ssd looks like on the inside. The long black rectangles are where the data resides. You can get data from each rectangle at the same time without any downsides. Therefore, if you have a file that is split across 8 rectangles it will load 8 times faster than if it was all on 1 rectangle. That's why your computer says the ssd is highly fragmented (split across multiple rectangles), it is faster for it to do so.
In addition, each time you need to put data onto a rectangle in the ssd it degrades the internals of the rectangle, so attempting to defragment an ssd will not only make it perform worse, it will actually cause it to die faster.
Stochast1cYou can get data from each rectangle at the same time without any downsides. Therefore, if you have a file that is split across 8 rectangles it will load 8 times faster than if it was all on 1 rectangle. That's why your computer says the ssd is highly fragmented (split across multiple rectangles), it is faster for it to do so.
That is completely wrong.
Fragmentation will still slow SSDs down. The difference is that an HDD is fast for sequential operations and basically unusable when you're doing random 4k while sequentially an SSD is faster than the "600MB/s" SATA III connection it's hooked up to and a bit slower or actually faster than the best case for an HDD even when you're doing terrible stuff.
The other things is that SSDs put data wherever the fuck they want to put it to minimize wear and defragment themselves in the background whenever they deem that necessary. They just tell you that the data is still at the same adress (lie, it moved) where you think you put it (lie, it was somewhere else from the start) because otherwise how would you ever find it?
[quote=Stochast1c]You can get data from each rectangle at the same time without any downsides. Therefore, if you have a file that is split across 8 rectangles it will load 8 times faster than if it was all on 1 rectangle. That's why your computer says the ssd is highly fragmented (split across multiple rectangles), it is faster for it to do so.[/quote]
That is completely wrong.
Fragmentation will still slow SSDs down. The difference is that an HDD is fast for sequential operations and basically unusable when you're doing random 4k while sequentially an SSD is faster than the "600MB/s" SATA III connection it's hooked up to and a bit slower or actually faster than the best case for an HDD even when you're doing terrible stuff.
The other things is that SSDs put data wherever the fuck they want to put it to minimize wear and defragment themselves in the background whenever they deem that necessary. They just tell you that the data is still at the same adress (lie, it moved) where you think you put it (lie, it was somewhere else from the start) because otherwise how would you ever find it?
That is completely wrong.
Fragmentation will still slow SSDs down. The difference is that an HDD is fast for sequential operations and basically unusable when you're doing random 4k while sequentially an SSD is faster than the "600MB/s" SATA III connection it's hooked up to and a bit slower or actually faster than the best case for an HDD even when you're doing terrible stuff.
The other things is that SSDs put data wherever the fuck they want to put it to minimize wear and defragment themselves in the background whenever they deem that necessary. They just tell you that the data is still at the same adress (lie, it moved) where you think you put it (lie, it was somewhere else from the start) because otherwise how would you ever find it?
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