So there are many reasons to shit on OWL, but xQc getting the boot is probably one of the worst reasons.
xQc is very clearly being used as an example and a warning to all the other players. Was it a little harsh and possibly unfair? Possibly, but its also 100% his fault for being able to be put in the scapegoat role in the first place.
For a video that mentions context so much it has a surprising lack of it.
So there are many reasons to shit on OWL, but xQc getting the boot is probably one of the worst reasons.
xQc is very clearly being used as an example and a warning to all the other players. Was it a little harsh and possibly unfair? Possibly, but its also 100% his fault for being able to be put in the scapegoat role in the first place.
For a video that mentions context so much it has a surprising lack of it.
The best and only good part about OWL is that former TF2 players/community members are finally making actual money with their talents
Shoutout Bren, Sideshow, Muma, Clockwork and the rest of our TF2 boys and girls
The best and only good part about OWL is that former TF2 players/community members are finally making actual money with their talents
Shoutout Bren, Sideshow, Muma, Clockwork and the rest of our TF2 boys and girls
capnnofapnidk why esports companies think making esports more professional will make it appeal to moms and dads. normies probably imagine it as being all professional when they first hear about it, think its silly to take video games that seriously, and then they come across an overwatch match on espn-whatever and see exactly what they thought they would see.
It's about advertisers not how anyone in particular feels.
[quote=capnnofapn]idk why esports companies think making esports more professional will make it appeal to moms and dads. normies probably imagine it as being all professional when they first hear about it, think its silly to take video games that seriously, and then they come across an overwatch match on espn-whatever and see exactly what they thought they would see.[/quote]
It's about advertisers not how anyone in particular feels.
morwannegPandering to thin-skinned people isn't progress, and actually hampers it. I wish people who think of themselves as "leftists" would actually realize this. Walking on eggshells with people who take offense at the slightest thing(no matter actual racist/sexist intent or not) is honestly a pretty damn scary way to live.
do you think it's considered appropriate in the average workplace to make jokes that could even be accidentally construed as racist or sexist regardless of intent? esports as a whole is far more lenient than almost any other walk of life because of the demographics involved. it's irrelevant how you feel about it, esports is a massive safe space for young, middle class white males to express themselves in ways that they wouldn't be able to get away with in the average 9 to 5 job. whether you think being more careful with potentially offensive speech is good, because it fosters a more inclusive environment, or bad because overpolicing speech is a slippery slope, that's the way the world is in 2018, and it's just ironic to hear people decry OW as a "safe space" as if being a cs or a dota 2 pro gamer is in any way the average experience of someone entering the workforce
[quote=morwanneg]
Pandering to thin-skinned people isn't progress, and actually hampers it. I wish people who think of themselves as "leftists" would actually realize this. Walking on eggshells with people who take offense at the slightest thing(no matter actual racist/sexist intent or not) is honestly a pretty damn scary way to live.[/quote]
do you think it's considered appropriate in the average workplace to make jokes that could even be accidentally construed as racist or sexist regardless of intent? esports as a whole is far more lenient than almost any other walk of life because of the demographics involved. it's irrelevant how you feel about it, esports is a massive safe space for young, middle class white males to express themselves in ways that they wouldn't be able to get away with in the average 9 to 5 job. whether you think being more careful with potentially offensive speech is good, because it fosters a more inclusive environment, or bad because overpolicing speech is a slippery slope, that's the way the world is in 2018, and it's just ironic to hear people decry OW as a "safe space" as if being a cs or a dota 2 pro gamer is in any way the average experience of someone entering the workforce
all i can think of is, maybe blizzard thinks there are a lot of young viewers and they just want to keep the content clean and dissuade players from making inappropriate remarks? we all have high hopes for esports, and we want our players to be seen as athletes of equal par and professionalism.
all i can think of is, maybe blizzard thinks there are a lot of young viewers and they just want to keep the content clean and dissuade players from making inappropriate remarks? we all have high hopes for esports, and we want our players to be seen as athletes of equal par and professionalism.
Do people want sponsored events and teams, or do they want the freedom to say whatever they want, regardless of whether or not it's "toxic".
Pick one.
Do people want sponsored events and teams, or do they want the freedom to say whatever they want, regardless of whether or not it's "toxic".
Pick one.
I dislike safe spaces as much as the next guy and haha ow bad XD but it's not like tf2 is perfect either. A lot of people in this community use slurs that would never fly in any public space, esports or not, and whether they're using them ironically or intentionally, the words are still really derogatory and insulting.
I dislike safe spaces as much as the next guy and haha ow bad XD but it's not like tf2 is perfect either. A lot of people in this community use slurs that would never fly in any public space, esports or not, and whether they're using them ironically or intentionally, the words are still really derogatory and insulting.
https://youtu.be/hwM7qn9SUuA?t=120
whats the song i know its a classic but i forget the name...
https://youtu.be/hwM7qn9SUuA?t=120
whats the song i know its a classic but i forget the name...
maybe players worried about this should try not being toxic and maybe even try using slurs or hatespeech :thinking:
maybe players worried about this should try not being toxic and maybe even try using slurs or hatespeech :thinking:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY5rztWa1TM[/youtube]
trippahttps://youtu.be/hwM7qn9SUuA?t=120
whats the song i know its a classic but i forget the name...
teenage wasteland by the who
youre welcome gamer my guy :)
[quote=trippa]https://youtu.be/hwM7qn9SUuA?t=120
whats the song i know its a classic but i forget the name...[/quote]
teenage wasteland by the who
youre welcome gamer my guy :)
Gritomatrippahttps://youtu.be/hwM7qn9SUuA?t=120
whats the song i know its a classic but i forget the name...
teenage wasteland by the who
youre welcome gamer my guy :)
The name of the song is "Baba O' Riley" my guy
[quote=Gritoma][quote=trippa]https://youtu.be/hwM7qn9SUuA?t=120
whats the song i know its a classic but i forget the name...[/quote]
teenage wasteland by the who
youre welcome gamer my guy :)[/quote]
The name of the song is [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2KRpRMSu4g]"Baba O' Riley"[/url] my guy
not glink's best video. should have left xqc out of it because he is an idiot manchild who honestly got what was coming to him
not glink's best video. should have left xqc out of it because he is an idiot manchild who honestly got what was coming to him
capnnofapnidk why esports companies think making esports more professional will make it appeal to moms and dads. normies probably imagine it as being all professional when they first hear about it, think its silly to take video games that seriously, and then they come across an overwatch match on espn-whatever and see exactly what they thought they would see.
Blizzard wants the best of both worlds with esports and sports. They want the cheap and young talent and production from esports and the "professionalism" you see in traditional sports. You saw this best of both worlds mentality when Overwatch first released where Blizzard said they were "astonished" by the amount of support Overwatch got as a "competitive game" and as a "grassroots esport" (LOL), whilst also working with Turner to sponsor the ELEAGUE Overwatch Open, which got OW instantly onto television and solidifying OW not as a grassroots esport, but a developer-produced esport, not unlike almost every one of Blizzard's other "esports".
The reason they want this isn't to attract the attention of the normal viewer, because they already advertise Overwatch League heavily and stay in the news due to the fact it's an esport and "wow these young people are being paid to play video games competitively!" circulates heavily amongst news outlets. By providing a clean and professionalTM space that's inclusive, they also bring in sponsors, advertisers, and investors who can all make a safe bet that Overwatch League will be big because Blizzard is very proactive about pumping money into their esports, it's gaining a lot of viewership amongst millenialsTM, and Blizzard is boasting that OWL is going to "change esports and sports forever!!!!!!!".
And all of this brings in dough for Blizzard. Blizzard makes fucking BANK off of Overwatch League because player costs are almost entirely on the orgs (including the $20 million they got from the orgs for the OWL spot), production is super cheap, and they have a shitload of other methods to monetize the Overwatch League. They sell tickets for people to watch the games live in the studios, they have in-game Overwatch League skins with some of the profit going straight to Blizzard, they get a chunk of the profit of all real life merchandise of the OWL Teams (e.g. Dallas Fuel shirts), they make money off ads on Twitch, they have a bunch of sponsors and investors, they have exclusivity deals with companies like Twitch, and they just recently launched a subscription service for the Overwatch League that includes stats and shit that you'd see for free in other scenes like with HLTV except less in-depth. All of this while Overwatch continues to sell copies because Overwatch League in of itself is a marketing gimmick, as Overwatch continues to stay in the news with outlets posting about happenings within the scene.
Overwatch League is such a meticulously crafted marketing gimmick and it's amazing how much money Blizzard has managed to get out of people and corporations with a mechanically shallow esport that's horrible to watch if you don't play the game yourself. The thing I worry most is how other companies will follow Blizzard's example, such as the Clash Royale League (yes this is a real thing...), and what effect this will have on esports.
[quote=capnnofapn]idk why esports companies think making esports more professional will make it appeal to moms and dads. normies probably imagine it as being all professional when they first hear about it, think its silly to take video games that seriously, and then they come across an overwatch match on espn-whatever and see exactly what they thought they would see.[/quote]
Blizzard wants the best of both worlds with esports and sports. They want the cheap and young talent and production from esports and the "professionalism" you see in traditional sports. You saw this best of both worlds mentality when Overwatch first released where Blizzard said they were "astonished" by the amount of support Overwatch got as a "competitive game" and as a "grassroots esport" (LOL), whilst also working with Turner to sponsor the ELEAGUE Overwatch Open, which got OW instantly onto television and solidifying OW not as a grassroots esport, but a developer-produced esport, not unlike almost every one of Blizzard's other "esports".
The reason they want this isn't to attract the attention of the normal viewer, because they already advertise Overwatch League heavily and stay in the news due to the fact it's an esport and "wow these young people are being paid to play video games competitively!" circulates heavily amongst news outlets. By providing a clean and professionalTM space that's inclusive, they also bring in sponsors, advertisers, and investors who can all make a safe bet that Overwatch League will be big because Blizzard is very proactive about pumping money into their esports, it's gaining a lot of viewership amongst millenialsTM, and Blizzard is boasting that OWL is going to "change esports [b][i]and sports[/i][/b] forever!!!!!!!".
And all of this brings in dough for Blizzard. Blizzard makes fucking BANK off of Overwatch League because player costs are almost entirely on the orgs (including the $20 million they got from the orgs for the OWL spot), production is super cheap, and they have a shitload of other methods to monetize the Overwatch League. They sell tickets for people to watch the games live in the studios, they have in-game Overwatch League skins with some of the profit going straight to Blizzard, they get a chunk of the profit of all real life merchandise of the OWL Teams (e.g. Dallas Fuel shirts), they make money off ads on Twitch, they have a bunch of sponsors and investors, they have exclusivity deals with companies like Twitch, and they just recently launched a subscription service for the Overwatch League that includes stats and shit that you'd see for free in other scenes like with HLTV except less in-depth. All of this while Overwatch continues to sell copies because Overwatch League in of itself is a marketing gimmick, as Overwatch continues to stay in the news with outlets posting about happenings within the scene.
Overwatch League is such a meticulously crafted marketing gimmick and it's amazing how much money Blizzard has managed to get out of people and corporations with a mechanically shallow esport that's horrible to watch if you don't play the game yourself. The thing I worry most is how other companies will follow Blizzard's example, such as the [url=https://clashroyale.com/blog/news/clash-royale-league-introducing-the-european-north-american-teams]Clash Royale League[/url] (yes this is a real thing...), and what effect this will have on esports.
lol you remember that time an overwatch player became an outcast from the whole community when all he did was call a girl robust?
lol you remember that time an overwatch player became an outcast from the whole community when all he did was call a girl robust?
if i got a penny for each time someone in this game has said nigger from here on out i'd have more money than any tf2 prize prize pool ever in less than a week
if i got a penny for each time someone in this game has said nigger from here on out i'd have more money than any tf2 prize prize pool ever in less than a week
https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousPluckyOctopusPMSTwin
vladlol you remember that time an overwatch player became an outcast from the whole community when all he did was call a girl robust?
to add on to the not so subtle allusion, poltical correctness is present in every game. i guarantee that if team comms were listened to on stream people would be furious. the difference between grassroots games and overwatch is that overwatch has money on the line. community admonishment is not the same as corporate admonishment, but still affects to be a censure
[quote=vlad]lol you remember that time an overwatch player became an outcast from the whole community when all he did was call a girl robust?[/quote]
to add on to the not so subtle allusion, poltical correctness is present in every game. i guarantee that if team comms were listened to on stream people would be furious. the difference between grassroots games and overwatch is that overwatch has money on the line. community admonishment is not the same as corporate admonishment, but still affects to be a censure
eddie_calderon The difference between grassroots games and overwatch is that overwatch has money on the line.
Several people have made this argument that the claustrophobic environment in OWL is somehow the inevitable byproduct of the money at stake. Sure, corporate money may mean corporate standards, but the cynical and maternal bureaucratic practices that Blizzard's aping are as ineffective in other industries as they are in our world of young white guys. It's analogous in its intent and ideological roots to the sensitivity training policies other companies in other industries put in place. The atmosphere this sort of inquisition creates causes far more harm than good. It's scary to see how normal human interactions, like accidentally bumping into someone backstage, become something real adult men have to be scared of. There's alot of research that's quite clear on how counterproductive things like this are:
http://www.richardswanson.com/textbookresources/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Ch-12-Diversity-Training-Ineffective.pdf
I won't deny how this community has failed people like Tagg, and we've suffered the loss of great people like him because that, but ideological and inhuman corporate policies aren't going to solve problems that require actual goodheartedness on the part of the community itself to fix. Valve has been able to make their own decisions with regards to how they run their esports because they're financially independent, and while I don't follow DOTA or CS, their approach seems to work quite well; both those games are certainly more time-proven than OW or HS. Blizzard may be chasing venture capital dollars, but they'd do well to take note of how other successful esports have run themselves.
While I'm just a layman, I have no reason to doubt that allowing people to regulate their own personal interactions would be healthier and more sustainable even for as manufactured a "community" as OW esports.
[quote=eddie_calderon] The difference between grassroots games and overwatch is that overwatch has money on the line.[/quote]
Several people have made this argument that the claustrophobic environment in OWL is somehow the inevitable byproduct of the money at stake. Sure, corporate money may mean corporate standards, but the cynical and maternal bureaucratic practices that Blizzard's aping are as ineffective in other industries as they are in our world of young white guys. It's analogous in its intent and ideological roots to the sensitivity training policies other companies in other industries put in place. The atmosphere this sort of inquisition creates causes far more harm than good. It's scary to see how normal human interactions, like accidentally bumping into someone backstage, become something real adult men have to be scared of. There's alot of research that's quite clear on how counterproductive things like this are:
http://www.richardswanson.com/textbookresources/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Ch-12-Diversity-Training-Ineffective.pdf
I won't deny how this community has failed people like Tagg, and we've suffered the loss of great people like him because that, but ideological and inhuman corporate policies aren't going to solve problems that require actual goodheartedness on the part of the community itself to fix. Valve has been able to make their own decisions with regards to how they run their esports because they're financially independent, and while I don't follow DOTA or CS, their approach seems to work quite well; both those games are certainly more time-proven than OW or HS. Blizzard may be chasing venture capital dollars, but they'd do well to take note of how other successful esports have run themselves.
While I'm just a layman, I have no reason to doubt that allowing people to regulate their own personal interactions would be healthier and more sustainable even for as manufactured a "community" as OW esports.
The modicum of PC culture is OW league
The modicum of PC culture is OW league
remember that time cloudmaker said the n word and his team lost a sponsorship LOL
anyways this is relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stNIV5iaaYo
remember that time cloudmaker said the n word and his team lost a sponsorship LOL
anyways this is relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stNIV5iaaYo