what do you mean lmao?? getting good at demo without using pipes/sticks??? use melee then wtf is this retarded question

Play demo jump maps for sticks, soldier v soldier mge to practise surfing. These are all things you can do beyond the obvious mge/dm/pug, tho in my opinion mge and dm are better for warmup than improvement for demo (besides soldier v soldier mge).

Pipes should come naturally. Just play demoman class on pubs and stuff.

its just vomitting projectiles everywhere not anything u need to practice

I don't remember even once saying that i intended not to use my pipes and stickies. Idk where you saw that.

Ignore him, Its a common recurring thing people do in tftv, to attack people blindly

You could literally say that about any class

just watch demos or get your demos reviewed to understand where to put stickies and what to shoot in what situations. should probably play dm so you can actually hit them though lol

iron bomber

playing pipe demo in pubs and mixes is the only reason im good at that class

sit in a corner with 8 stickies on the wall

if u see a person on tftv has a georgian flag ignore them

Winning dm fights vs scouts youre not supposed to win is fun, but imo playing off/with your team is so much more important for demo.
Also remember that demo is one of the classes that can have an impact by simply being alive.

play dm and pugs

no the other classes i see people aiming but demo os just flailing round and then shit dies

İnsightful insight from an insightful (but funhaving) individual.

Hello there newbie! I have recently developed this flowchart for optimizing your demoman gameplay in deathmatch while working with the god himself rabbit/HBZ!

https://i.imgur.com/JpbkoOZ.png

Hopefully this helps! I can verify it's validity cause it's what every other demoman currently does in dm!
See you on the battlefield soldier! or should I say demoman?

Oof. I feel your frustration. Nothing more annoying that getting killed by a trap in fucking dm. I guarantee you i do not play like that

Yes, i know that, it's just that i have to rely on myself a lot in my current team so i thought that i should get good at it while I'm there

Literally? How about spy?

I do not consider spy as a class. I see it more as God's wrath to punish us mortals

just play alot of pubs for sticky dm and then deathmatch for pipes. Dont be the demo on DM that only plays choke and do random spam, put yourself in hard positions and try to keep your head calm and hit your pipes. And ofc dont rage when u die and just keep grinding and u will be great :)

You made a similar thread a couple months ago didnt you?

From playing against you in lobbies, your positioning is far from perfect (otherwise you'd be prem right?), therefore saying "my positioning is already good" is counter productive.

Sure you may not die a lot and topdamage in low, but that doesn't mean you're taking/creating all the opportunities that you could.

With that said, based on playing against you you're good enough for mid skill wise, so no worries.

To practice your dm, I'd say play soldier in DM/MGE. Most of the good soldiers I know are also really good with pipes, so there's obviously some skill transfer happening.

wat do you mean? you play demo in mge like every day and thats all u and all the other demos do. before u even see the guy u have already set up a trap that u vomited out and then u start vomitting pipes and insta killing ppl and pretending that what u just did was aiming

im pretty sure that 'demo dm' is context dependent by which i mean its to do with the map design/what you're trying to do (defend/offend) + movement and not like the other classes in which its the same thign just aim/movement

which means if u want to have better demo dm in order to climb up divisons in 6s the best thing and only way you can practice this is by just playing demo in 6s a lot so that you familiarise yourself with the maps and different situations that need to be covered

edit:

Air basically said what i'm trying to say in a more concise and less mean way

dont shoot at people, shoot at spots on the map where people stand. if they don't stand there, then put stickies there for when they do stand there

Oof forgot to say "for my skill level"

Isn't that the whole point of the class? Isn't that like blaming a scout for double jumping?

No matter how you aim now, you need to flick more.

you said you didn't set up traps so i said that to show you that you, as well as every othe demo, do set up traps like every chance u get.

i don't think you're reading what i'm saying properly. you are supposed to flail and vomit out 10000 projectiles that do 100 damage because that IS what the class is designed to do. you're just practising it completely wrong because what 'demo dm' consists of is not found in the places where you're practising it.

its only found in 6s and thats it

like ammo management for example is extremely important but u playing dm/mge isnt gonna teach you those things and also the situations where people are gonna fight you are completely different so because you are 'shooting at the map and not the players' as Air rightfully said, the way in which you do so in a real game is gonna be different because players aren't gonna approach you the same way.

take a fight vs a scout, for example. in a gamemode like dm and mge, the scout is gonna run at you obviously head on because its got nothing else to do, so your instinct, as well as every other demo in these gamemodes is to fire a sticky like directly in front of you

but in a real game, there's other factors that change the decision making of that scout such as health, ammo, how many players are with that scout, how many players are with that demo, etc and therefore that scout, even if he is actively trying to kill you, isn't gonna approach the fight in the same way

which is an exmaple of why what ur learning to do in those gamemodes designed for soldiers and scouts is completely useless

and if we look at the pool of demos in prem, kaidus for example because he was known as the demo dm guy

never seen him in mge at all ever and only heard of him playing soldier there before his wrist
seems to only play dm whilst waiting for a 6s game
spends like all of his time in a 6s server

and this is kind of the same for 90% of prem/invite demos that aren't habibs which is a different case because

habib has the rinnegan
habib is a drug addict
habib is bannys friend

so u and other confused demos have this idea like this is just the path to ultimate pippeage but you're wrong u just need to play 6s and learn where to shoot on the map.

god created the iron bomber to make shitty demos good