https://www.logitechg.com/en-roeu/products/gaming-mice/mx518-gaming-mouse.html
logitech It’s the classic, comfortable shape you know and love, now with modern components that perform to today’s advanced standards
by that standard they could have called the G500 or G5 MX518 too.
Anyway I hope this will get priced at <50€ so that razer can stop being douchebags with their diamondback chroma at 1500000€. Seriously who the fuck cares for chroma lighting. Similarly who cares about a 16kdpi sensor in this mouse? Prices are so inflated by these random features when everyone would be fine playing with optical sensors from 2005
edit : prices for diamondback chroma have apparently plummeted to <60€
by that standard they could have called the G500 or G5 MX518 too.
Anyway I hope this will get priced at <50€ so that razer can stop being douchebags with their diamondback chroma at 1500000€. Seriously who the fuck cares for chroma lighting. Similarly who cares about a 16kdpi sensor in this mouse? Prices are so inflated by these random features when everyone would be fine playing with optical sensors from 2005
edit : prices for diamondback chroma have apparently plummeted to <60€
Twiggylogitech It’s the classic, comfortable shape you know and love, now with modern components that perform to today’s advanced standardsSimilarly who cares about a 16kdpi sensor in this mouse? Prices are so inflated by these random features when everyone would be fine playing with optical sensors from 2005
This is very untrue, the mx518 which came out 2005 had angle snapping issues
https://i.imgur.com/4UDMkJW.png
the g400s which replaced the g400 allowed for higher dpi (not limited to 400 and 800) but also introduced latency (3rd post)
the g402 which replaced the g400s does not really feel the same, so it's ez for logitech to cash in on gamers wanting a legendary mouse
also my g400s started spinning out far too much to be viable for tf2 so if i were to buy a new mx518/g400 i'd want to be ensured with a better sensor
also if the new mx518 is sold out, here's the chinese site where people bought it prior to the western release
Similarly who cares about a 16kdpi sensor in this mouse? Prices are so inflated by these random features when everyone would be fine playing with optical sensors from 2005
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This is very untrue, the mx518 which came out 2005 had angle snapping issues [img]https://i.imgur.com/4UDMkJW.png[/img]
the g400s which replaced the g400 allowed for higher dpi (not limited to 400 and 800) but also introduced latency [url=https://www.overclock.net/forum/375-mice/1459165-g400s-angle-snapping-prediction.html](3rd post)[/url]
the g402 which replaced the g400s does not really feel the same, so it's ez for logitech to cash in on gamers wanting a legendary mouse
also my g400s started spinning out far too much to be viable for tf2 so if i were to buy a new mx518/g400 i'd want to be ensured with a better sensor
also if the new mx518 is sold out, [url=http://item.jd.com/100000430210.html#none]here's[/url] the chinese site where people bought it prior to the western release
what does angle snapping mean? Not sure what i should see on your picture.
Even then, you're saying g400/g402 have issues too, so it's not because it's new tech that it's better. Mice brands sell new things to keep the prices high.
This is not an opinion restricted to logitech. Lots of people would be happy with intellimouse or diamondback 3g sensors, made for 10 years, and sold for cheaper.
it's ez for logitech to cash in on gamers wanting a legendary mouse
yes, and this is a big problem. They say "it's the mx518" when in reality the hardware behaves in a totally different way.
Even then, you're saying g400/g402 have issues too, so it's not because it's new tech that it's better. Mice brands sell new things to keep the prices high.
This is not an opinion restricted to logitech. Lots of people would be happy with intellimouse or diamondback 3g sensors, made for 10 years, and sold for cheaper.
[quote]it's ez for logitech to cash in on gamers wanting a legendary mouse[/quote]
yes, and this is a big problem. They say "it's the mx518" when in reality the hardware behaves in a totally different way.
Twiggywhat does angle snapping mean? Not sure what i should see on your picture.
here you go i made it more easy to understand :)
https://i.imgur.com/Z21KW2X.png
TwiggyEven then, you're saying g400/g402 have issues too, so it's not because it's new tech that it's better. Mice brands sell new things to keep the prices high.
new tech is USUALLY better, the IE 3.0 was capped at a 400 dpi or 450 dpi (depending on the color of your mouse, white was 400, grey was 450)
nowadays we can change led, change function of specific buttons as well as have custom DPI per application and a lot of other things, we also have higher polling rate, higher DPI and better CPI today which accounts for our higher resolutions compared to that used back in the day, higher dpi with lower sens allows avoiding pixel skipping, i used to be using 1600 DPI so having to use 400 DPI for my desktop would feel awful
we also have ability to give our mice profiles and give each button a new purpose
TwiggyThis is not an opinion restricted to logitech. Lots of people would be happy with intellimouse or diamondback 3g sensors, made for 10 years, and sold for cheaper.
yes, many people would love to be able to use the old intellimouse 3.0 again but it's near impossible to find a brand new one, microsoft cant really make new ones either because the STMicroelectronics sensor which was used has gone out of production and the new Classic IntelliMouse has a pretty shite sensor which spins out easily
people also care a LOT about the shape and weight of their mouse since you want one that is comfortable because you'll be spending thousands of hours with that mouse (hopefully)
Twiggyit's ez for logitech to cash in on gamers wanting a legendary mouseyes, and this is a big problem. They say "it's the mx518" when in reality the hardware behaves in a totally different way.
almost correct but its not a big problem?? people want the mx518 shape, like it was back in the day, the g402 isn't filling that void, people agree the shape was good but the sensor that was used would suck today
i would instantly buy a steelseries ikari 2 if steelseries decided to release that with a better sensor than the one that was used in the original steelseries ikari optical (shape was brilliant but sensor kinda meh)
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here you go i made it more easy to understand :)
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Z21KW2X.png[/img]
[quote=Twiggy]
Even then, you're saying g400/g402 have issues too, so it's not because it's new tech that it's better. Mice brands sell new things to keep the prices high.
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new tech is [u]USUALLY[/u] better, the IE 3.0 was capped at a 400 dpi or 450 dpi (depending on the color of your mouse, white was 400, grey was 450)
nowadays we can change led, change function of specific buttons as well as have custom DPI per application and a lot of other things, we also have higher polling rate, higher DPI and better CPI today which accounts for our higher resolutions compared to that used back in the day, higher dpi with lower sens allows avoiding [url=https://youtu.be/8XNUp70mDlQ?t=132]pixel skipping[/url], i used to be using 1600 DPI so having to use 400 DPI for my desktop would feel awful
we also have ability to give our mice profiles and give each button a new purpose
[quote=Twiggy]
This is not an opinion restricted to logitech. Lots of people would be happy with intellimouse or diamondback 3g sensors, made for 10 years, and sold for cheaper.
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yes, many people would love to be able to use the old intellimouse 3.0 again but it's near impossible to find a brand new one, microsoft cant really make new ones either because the STMicroelectronics sensor which was used has gone out of production and the new Classic IntelliMouse has a pretty shite sensor which spins out easily
people also care a LOT about the shape and weight of their mouse since you want one that is comfortable because you'll be spending thousands of hours with that mouse (hopefully)
[quote=Twiggy]
[quote]it's ez for logitech to cash in on gamers wanting a legendary mouse[/quote]
yes, and this is a big problem. They say "it's the mx518" when in reality the hardware behaves in a totally different way.[/quote]
almost correct but its not a big problem?? people want the mx518 shape, like it was back in the day, the g402 isn't filling that void, people agree the shape was good but the sensor that was used would suck today
i would instantly buy a steelseries ikari 2 if steelseries decided to release that with a better sensor than the one that was used in the original steelseries ikari optical (shape was brilliant but sensor kinda meh)
I don't know much about mice hardware but this seems pretty light. I personally like mice a little bit heavier (I use the g502 with all weights which is about 140 grams, and this one is only 100)
I got this mouse and I'm very happy with it, I used a g400 for a really long time and it's just like it other than the glossy surface.
I've had the new hero sensor version of the MX518 for a few months now. It's great, LOD is just about perfect for me. I really didn't like the ultra low LOD of alot of other mice and was glad that while this is lower than the G400/G400s was it's still a bit more forgiving if you barely lift your mouse as you click, also avoids the awkward "pixel walk"/stutter of a lot of ultra low LOD mice can have.
1 major caveat is that the tracking on the mouse can be a bit weird in color transitions. If you have a mousepad that has a lot of variation in brightness on it you may have issues. I had some issues with tracking on a mousepad that had red and white transitions and it would consistently have a weird stutter behavior when going over it. I strongly believe this is tied to how Hero mice calibrate LOD if they detect major differences in mouse surface, easily reproduced by trying a hard white mouse pad and then quickly switching over to a black cloth pad mouse will not be able to track well for roughly 0.5s. No issues with solid color mousepads, didn't notice any issues with going over even a Corsair MM300 so most mousepads are probably fine.
BilbertShould I get the Logitech or the Nixeus?
The Nixeus is hot garbage. They changed the shape enough to make it bad for basically every grip style. Technically it's better for a fingertip grip than the original shell style but who wants a ~95g fingertip mouse?
hamahamthe g400s which replaced the g400 allowed for higher dpi (not limited to 400 and 800) but also introduced latency (3rd post)
the g402 which replaced the g400s does not really feel the same, so it's ez for logitech to cash in on gamers wanting a legendary mouse
The latency increase iirc was something like ~160 microseconds i.e. 0.16ms nothing that big at all and you went from a max tracking speed of about ~3.5m/s to ~4.4m/s as well in going from G400 -> G400s (done with self testing on a QCK)
The G402 was a shitty conglomeration of materials and design with 1 good idea. Take the G100s sensor shove it in something that vaguely resembles the MX500 shape and add an "accelerometer" to it so it can track up to 10m/s but the point that accelerometer would kick in was something like 3.0m/s and during that transition mouse latency would increase suddenly and decrease suddenly once you were back under that tracking speed. Granted we're talking about +/- 0.5ms at any given point around 3.0m/s it was just awkward. To make it worse it was entirely unnecessary the PMW3366 that was put in the G502 was far better overall and could easily do 6.5m/s +
I count the accelormeter as a good thing but its implementation should've been used for lower budget gaming mice.
1 major caveat is that the tracking on the mouse can be a bit weird in color transitions. If you have a mousepad that has a lot of variation in brightness on it you may have issues. I had some issues with tracking on a mousepad that had red and white transitions and it would consistently have a weird stutter behavior when going over it. I strongly believe this is tied to how Hero mice calibrate LOD if they detect major differences in mouse surface, easily reproduced by trying a hard white mouse pad and then quickly switching over to a black cloth pad mouse will not be able to track well for roughly 0.5s. No issues with solid color mousepads, didn't notice any issues with going over even a Corsair MM300 so most mousepads are probably fine.
[quote=Bilbert]Should I get the Logitech or the Nixeus?[/quote]
The Nixeus is hot garbage. They changed the shape enough to make it bad for basically every grip style. Technically it's better for a fingertip grip than the original shell style but who wants a ~95g fingertip mouse?
[quote=hamaham]
the g400s which replaced the g400 allowed for higher dpi (not limited to 400 and 800) but also introduced latency [url=https://www.overclock.net/forum/375-mice/1459165-g400s-angle-snapping-prediction.html](3rd post)[/url]
the g402 which replaced the g400s does not really feel the same, so it's ez for logitech to cash in on gamers wanting a legendary mouse
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The latency increase iirc was something like ~160 microseconds i.e. 0.16ms nothing that big at all and you went from a max tracking speed of about ~3.5m/s to ~4.4m/s as well in going from G400 -> G400s (done with self testing on a QCK)
The G402 was a shitty conglomeration of materials and design with 1 good idea. Take the G100s sensor shove it in something that vaguely resembles the MX500 shape and add an "accelerometer" to it so it can track up to 10m/s but the point that accelerometer would kick in was something like 3.0m/s and during that transition mouse latency would increase suddenly and decrease suddenly once you were back under that tracking speed. Granted we're talking about +/- 0.5ms at any given point around 3.0m/s it was just awkward. To make it worse it was entirely unnecessary the PMW3366 that was put in the G502 was far better overall and could easily do 6.5m/s +
I count the accelormeter as a good thing but its implementation should've been used for lower budget gaming mice.