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Don't do highlander because it's too far from what's labeled as competitive in the game, so if they actually want to pursue it will just set them up for more obstacles and in a wrong gamemode.

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Slin you've been an advocate for "it's the communities job to underscore what changes need to be made to weapons/classes" and "valve listen to the forums" for a while and you've been abundantly clear about that, so surely the list of banned weapons, (namingly the ones that have been banned from the get-go and are not banned because it makes a class viable) the constant voicing of the fundamental flaws of weapons and how they don't reward skill and have too high reward for competitive, it honestly should be colossally evident to valve about the what things need to be changed (at least from the voices of the comp community/reddit) like I'm not sure how many "here's the op weapons" threads that get hundreds of upvotes and thousands agreeing with it we need to make before it clicks with valve.

Sigafoo cherrypicking my argument :thinking:

Although his response to that specific comment was reasonable and valid, it does not change the fact that we always gave the "oh we don't have valve's support so lets make ends meet" but now we literally have support in the game that steers us in a certain direction, and that gives us fundamental tools to work with that have proven to be successful (6v6) that we can explore within, and sigafoo chooses to make a cup with a substantial prize pool that isn't 6v6, the thing that's in the game?!?. Sigafoo doesn't understand that there isn't a lot of money in the scene, and while having a prize pool is good for testing formats in a legitmate comp environment, going completely against the grain of valve with this tournament is going to perplex everyone in the community, because not wanting to waste money on dumb shit is literally what we live for as humans.

We get ingame support for 6v6 and now we're offering money for and are trying to advocate a game mode that's pointless and just adds one player to the field for no particular reason?

Wasn't this shit tested back in 2007? I thought that sigafoo's trip to valve would underscore to him what valve want out of competitive but even at the most rudimentary level sigafoo struggles to understand.

I am all for testing different things, even prolander and things like that I would say is worth a try within 6v6 because we get to see how that setup plays, unfiltered, when teams are actually trying for a prize pool. This opportunity has been horribly squandered: Top teams can't play properly because they have to add one more randomer who won't know his role in the team, newbies can't play because it's against what is literally in the game and labeled as "competitive tf2", which is 6v6, so honestly who the fuck is this for other than sigafoo?

Essentially, he doesn't like the backlash from the 6's players so he's stopped this cup being 6's altogether, because I can't fathom any other reason other than him being unable to properly engage in the criticism we had and getting mad.

This cup is now a waste of time, what could have been a push for change to test how different 6v6 structures affect the game, the competitive ceiling and the friendliness to watch/play for new players, has now turned into a joke cup that's 7v7 for some reason that we can't test because there's one extra class so everything we find is null and void.

Legit would be better to donate to ETF2L/ESEA/OZ At this point lol.

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To Clarify, I am not against the use of ubersaw or crossbows, I'm just saying you can't use contradictory rhetoric to keep a weapon banned.

Crossbow and ubersaw direct upgrades but aren't really problems to play against despite having practically no downsides becuase "it's just a medic and the class's downsides are still prominent in engagements"

*GRU is proposed to be added*

Wtf! Straight upgrade, practically no downsides because heavy can get to mid faster! So what if it's "still just a heavy and the heavy's downsides are still prominent in engagements" Such a flawed concept, straight upgrades are a joke!

div izon?

They're just furriends now. :/

Trying to justify scrambled's spam with "lel trolled" isn't an argument like he's literally spamming the thread and people are not getting baited they just say "um stop" and he keeps spamming nothing of value, worth a ban imo and it's not "le epic trolling looking how mad these guys are that b8 was so obvious LUL XD" it's just showing how unfunny you are.

Complaining that people reply to someone on a forum is the worst thing I've ever heard lol.