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AvastThe difference is at the origin. Trump is truly a out of nowhere candidate opposed by both sides of the political aisle until recently. The brexit movement on the other have was spearheaded by political establishment seeking to dismantle EU regulation including immigration.
Oh for sure, but the support for leave doesn't mean support for Farage or Johnsons other political opinions. They won't be able to turn support for leave into support for breaking up the NHS.
AvastThe whole Leave camp is another fabricated grassroots movement just like the Tea Party in America. You get the people with strongest nationalistic ties (older folks, blue collar workers, etc..) then whip them
Into a frenzy of how their money is supporting a system that is oppressing then (taxes/regulation) and changing their way of life (immigrants) except instead of your national government like in the USA they used the EU boogeyman with its tyrannical laws.
Just like in the Tea Party the immigrant talk was used to get the reactionaries out to vote and the supposed saved money will all funnel to politicians and their partners who wanted to get rid of pesky EU regulation in the way of their profit margin. The working man won't see a penny invested into the public or wages.
But I bet in another ten years or even less you'll see this movement renewed but now with the EU gone they'll be looking to even more aggressively chop up your regulatory bodies because "big government is stifling business".
I've seen enough of this shit over here to see where it's going.
It's not really comparable to the Tea Party at all. The Tea Party were hardcore right-wingers, the people who voted leave were mostly working class labour (left of centre) voters who were left behind by New-Labour in the 90s/00s and then took the brunt of the austerity measures after the housing market crash. They're people who feel like the elites got rich off of relaxed markets and increasing globalism while they were left to deal with the negatives of immigration, downward pressure on wages and massively inflated housing costs. They wont be looking to privatize health care or reduce public services.
The leave people are much more like Trump supporters in that respect I guess.
eeeI'm american dipshit. I'm actually really fucking happy to watch your economy collapse because I can invest basically risk free.
GJ completely ignoring my point though. You know 100% that the working class in britain just shot themselves in the foot because they're too stupid to read a news article, but you'll defend them over idealism or some stupid shit while your country slides slowly out of the first world.
eeeDemocracy is a terrible system of government.
Typical remain voter.
eeeNot everyone has an opinion that's worth listening to.
Finally somebody comes out and says what they think. The remain camp were exactly what they were portrayed to be, elitist snobs sneering at the working class and acting like the votes and opinions of those less educated or less wealthy than themselves are somehow worth less.
eeeso you'll have cheaper import food but the EU food subsidies that have been life supporting UK farming for the past 20 years are gone.
We pay more than double to the EU than we get back in subsidies. The government can cover every EU subsidy and still make a huge saving (not that they necessarily will, but they could).
InoEmilioEstevezeeereminder that anyone telling you anything specific will happen ("Food prices are expected to drop") has no basis for what they're saying because basically every economist only managed to say "it'll be kinda bad" and had no clue what the fuck was gonna happen after Brexit
If you have any sort of an idea what's gonna happen ,you could easily be a millionaire next year just by buying futures rn
Food prices went up when we joined the EEC because of protectionist tariffs. European farmers couldn't compete on price so they slapped massive tariffs on non-EU food in order to protect them. We don't need to pay those any more.
Maybe we'll pay more for other goods, but the price of milk/dairy/etc should be coming down.
Riddle me this: if high food prices are caused by import taxes into EU, how come Germany has the cheapest food ever?
Hint: they aren't
http://wsm.wsu.edu/researcher/wsmaug11_billions.pdf
That's not true though is it. Food prices in the UK went up when we joined the EEC and Germany still has higher food prices than the UK and Canada/USA/Australia both as a percentage of income and as a whole number.
Unless of course you mean Germans are spending less now than they have in the past, which might be true but food would be even cheaper without the tariffs.
eeereminder that anyone telling you anything specific will happen ("Food prices are expected to drop") has no basis for what they're saying because basically every economist only managed to say "it'll be kinda bad" and had no clue what the fuck was gonna happen after Brexit
If you have any sort of an idea what's gonna happen ,you could easily be a millionaire next year just by buying futures rn
Food prices went up when we joined the EEC because of protectionist tariffs. European farmers couldn't compete on price so they slapped massive tariffs on non-EU food in order to protect them. We don't need to pay those any more.
Maybe we'll pay more for other goods, but the price of milk/dairy/etc should be coming down.
DavidTheWinEmilioEstevezFood prices are expected to drop for example as we can buy from NZ/AU now
Sure lets import all our food from 11,000 miles away (as the crow flies, further because ships can't travel over land).
But that's what we did before we joined the EEC. It was a major issue when we joined as it meant milk prices went up.
loleryyidc about this i just want to see all the brexit memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGPFyqBnOAg
http://i.imgur.com/nKqtaKt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IAZvlf1.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClsQ66aUgAUX6Ec.jpg:large
GentlemanJonThe reality is that nobody know for sure what will come next, and bullishly predicting imminent prosperity has as much credibility as predicting the apocalypse.
I agree with that, I'm just trying to provide some counter points to people predicting doom and gloom.
We don't know what the overall outcome of the referendum will be economically. But there's plenty of reasons to be optimistic, plus we actually have democracy in the UK now. Something the rest of Europe doesn't.
El_BenoI seem to recall, the EU being brought up during the Scottish referendum, and how they were saying they wanted to be in it.
So nothing has really changed for the SnP in that regard.
They do want to be in the EU, but there's no guarantee the EU wants an independent Scotland. They would have to apply like everyone else, it would take years. Also Scotland in 2016 is much more reliant upon England than Scotland in 2014 was.
I expect there will be another referendum and Scotland will vote to stay again due to the crash in oil prices and the big hole it leaves in their budget without England to pay for it. It's a shame really for the Scottish Nationalists as if they wait they might find a better time to leave us. But it'll be hard for them to argue for a third referendum any time soon, even the last one was supposed to have "settled the matter for a generation".
trashEmilioEstevezHowever the price of oil has taken a nose dive since they lost the independence referendum 62%/38%. They would be choosing poverty if they left unless the price of oil rebounds overnight.and they're willing to deal with that. I don't think you realize here, the rest of EU is willing to deal with this, even if it hurts their bottom line. the UK, on the flipside, just set themselves up in such a manner where they can't, they need trade agreements eventually, and other countries will be more than willing to take advantage of this fact
this goes for just about every other argument you've made so far. it all relies on the assumption that other countries have to deal with the UK eventually, not realizing that they're always going to be taking a loss because of this, so it's far more effective for them to choke out resources until they get better agreements
There's no guarantee the EU would even accept Scotland.
Also there are plenty of countries we can trade with now that we couldn't because of protectionist EU policies. Food prices are expected to drop for example as we can buy cheaply from NZ/AU now without paying EU tariffs intended to protect European farmers.
trashyou're trying to argue like the UK suddenly has all this bargaining to work with
No I'm not. If they want to leave then they should be allowed. It has nothing to do with bargaining, we shouldn't force them to stay against their will.
trashconsidering the choices are slightly shit EU connection and no EU connection at all, when the only reason they stayed beforehand was under the assumption the UK would always stick with them, then yes, most people of scotland are going to fuck off and seperate
The UK does stick with them. They run a defecit, with the price of oil so low England currently subsidises Scotland, good luck getting the EU to do that.
smzinot gonna take long until countries like scottland and northern ireland will have another referndum to ditch the sinking ship MS UK and then prolly join the EU
So now the EU is going to take Scotland off our hands too? And people thought they would punish us for leaving!
Scotland's not going to have an easier time in the EU. Their biggest trading partner by far is England and with the price of oil still low they have no cash, if they joined the EU now they'd have to make even more cuts to public services. But it should be up to them of course.