Yeah I’m not claiming it’s the best evidence. Just the notion of people thinking still at minimum has been closet cheating for over a decade isn’t new. Just takes him playing RGL associated stuff for people to have a conversation about it

I do remember you sending that actually, I’m fine with being transparent with anything, in relation to that screenshot they got a cooldown of some nature I don’t recall the exact length, but also were talked to directly about it and they claimed they were interp abusing pre game to do the pyro airblast glitch to launch into skybox like where you see beggars soldiers clipping. The nuanced reason as far as center goes as to why there wasn’t more done in a better time is there wasn’t much time for the anti-cheat team (of one to two players) to look over demos etc when they aren’t being super blatant. That’s when you start getting the #free ___ etc. and you have to take into account the familiarity of the player base at that time for NA specifically, that’s why I said it’s almost an unspoken thing to be skeptical with them.

This is what was posted prior that got still and dawdle banned for a year on tf2center. From what I recall people claimed it was shaky evidence but these claims are far from new. It’s like almost an understood thing that they’re always fishy

https://youtu.be/19G3dsMQZL0?si=Pdv6dM0OQ3wUwQ_A

When tf2center was still decently populated for NA, I had to constantly close this dudes lobbies/give lobby host cooldowns because he would host with sv_pure 1 with models and materials custom whitelisted on shitty old maps.

Entropy ain’t what is used to be.

The friends you make along the way

Also sync bombing and dropping a med is a great feeling unmatched by any other game.

I don’t think people have a problem with your passion. I think you’ll never have a good connection with any team because you come on tftv and treat it like your diary and a soapbox to blame others about why you’re not winning games. You can’t expect to be taken serious and also be categorically a meme in the tf2 competitive community. Having to defend yourself constantly just makes yourself seem like the problem. Be silent while you improve. .

Do you think posting like this is a good advertisement for yourself as a prospective pick up for anyone lol.

Ah I gotcha. I don't really post a lot so new waters, getting used to that. Too wordy. I'll keep it more brief. I looked at the logs of the lobbies you're speaking of and when you say constant sniping, there was one sniper in one lobby that registered about a minute of sniper gameplay and the other lobby had 2 snipers that accumulatively had about 57 seconds of sniping between them. I've only played a couple RGL pugs but unless I'm mistaken, is there any sort of disallowing the off-classing in those per game? The config stuff can be worked on as well.

*edit*Had a second thought about it and I realize there are some who do intentionally or unintentionally do the bug to bypass the auto detect cooldown, if that was the case then yes that's a big issue that needs to be addressed, and generally is policed by admins when playing pretty easy and when they do get reported via the discord ticket system its handled by anyone who gets to it first. Another thing that needs to be updated with the coding side of that, admittedly

I agree with the stacking and culture point of view, and I'm not disillusioned to those things. It's something that I'm gearing towards mitigating actively. I only posted about Center because I happen to be an admin on the site as of the last year and some change, but played on it since 2013 so for the majority of time on site I've been on the side of the players dealing with all the problems we all know about, this post was more of an olive branch to show that the site's nature has changed from the top and I'm hoping it trickles down to the bottom as well. Better and active leadership with more transparency and availability to get issues resolved within minutes of it happening in just the last 6 months is such a stark difference in a tf2center experience compared to say the last 10 years of it. In no way am I trying to have some competition with the RGL pugs. If you're speaking on the culture of things; there's a lot of people who are afraid of even showing their name in a rgl pug because they feel like they're not good enough and at a moments notice they'll just get yelled at and made to feel absolutely out of place because the culture of RGL is more intense. It's the same reason why people don't associate tf2center as pugs even though they technically are. You hear pug you think of an in house group or now rgl pugs, you hear center and you get that its a different element. There's a market for both, but I can only speak to center as its own entity. There are things like the pick/ban system that I think we should also implement because its just a good idea in general, I think that any ideas pitched should be taken into consideration. I am trying to get more pressure on actually implementing things for the site like that, hopefully soon there will by some dynamic changes about it. As for now most of the toxic things get snuffed out pretty quickly because honestly people tattletale on others at a moments notice, you'd be surprised at how many tickets there are(that get handled quickly at that), the stacking is something that can be mitigated with advanced lobbies or other wise by an influx of more players causing the average skill ceiling to raise, and the offclassing thing is essentially gone from centers now, outside of last holds and quick forward spawn type plays. I'm not sure how long it's been since you've actually played on the site, but you should give it a shot and see what I mean next time you're just kicking around waiting on a scrim to start or something, I think you'd probably be pleasantly surprised at how most games end up being compared to what I'm sure was a shit show like most of center's lifetime has been.

While you’re not inherently wrong about that aspect, it also goes part and parcel with this whole thing that I’m going with. Where higher level players go, interest follows. I wouldn’t want to relegate either side to either non competitive boring games where new players get stomped all the time, and I wouldn’t want to the site to be strictly new players where the entire skill ceiling gets lowered on average. And I also do speak with newer players and hear what they say and ideas. I’m the one who came up with the idea of a survey for center changes in the recent past. Trying to make things better is my M.O. , with that being said, I’ve also played this game since 2009 on computer and I’ve known people in this game for 10-15 years. I’ve seen how these things play out and hopefully very soon, there will be changes that mitigate both of those issues. There’s all sorts of angles to be had to make things better and I’m hoping by showing some initiative I can get the momentum needed for that. It just takes the community to support the community.

I agree with the sentiment, I think there’s something to the fact that center has stuck around since 2013 but it’s stagnant because it hasn’t really changed much. I will say i and a few others have been actively pitching ideas and trying to get some new concepts going in in house discussions. There’s just a couple set backs to get past as far as the coding of the site and stuff goes that has honestly just gone to the wayside due in part to being inconsistent with the efforts to get the said issues fixed. The if it ain’t broke don’t fix it mentality has just led to a stagnant laughing stock of a website to the majority of players whom the site SHOULD be targeted for, which I have a lot of interest in getting better. The mainstay of who runs the sites are all old and busy with real life, I personallyI work 7 days a week most of the time doing construction during the day and a lot of the head admins are EU, and the owner is kind of hard to get a hold of to deal with the brunt of the issues at hand and what recommendations that are given to be implemented. So while it’s been EASIERr to just watch the site fill with the same stacks of people 3 lobbies at a time, I’d like to work to change that. Pug groups have greater success short term but lack longevity. I want to meet in the middle of that and turn a familiar product into a great one.

Make no mistake I greatly appreciate the compliments, and I think that within the topic at hand it’s a great benefit for people to have a good public opinion of me because I am an authority on the website, I didn’t make this post to only get my ego stroked. I just don’t want this post to get lost in the shuffle, I’ve had people message me on discord directly to help which is perfectly fine, but if possible, post on this thread as well just to keep the flow going on trying to get some good ole fashioned tf2 lobbies going with maybe a little bit of a higher skill ceiling. Anyone want me to start putting some advanced lobbies up say the word. If they fill I can keep them going as much as the interest is there.

Unfortunately there’s not much I can do in regard to the med limit. But also check your account again.

Lol nah, but that’s fine with me, I spend my free time when I have it playing video games and I don’t have a lot of time to play serious mode anymore so I don’t mind managing and maintaining a decent setting for tf2center (NA side at least), also if this post gains any traction I’m sure there will be trolls or just general “toxic” responses but I’m indifferent to anything other than trying to address people’s issues so it’s all welcome as far as I’m concerned.