lmfao what is this thread

Can you not? Literally proving all points that are being made in favor of this... What people identify as should not be your business or your problem. So if you are not going to actually try to explain anything in a useful way just stop saying anything. This is a useless comment that undermines almost everything I am trying to get across.

@Whymeo

I gotta ask this because I legit have no idea, but because I am the only one you pointed out in your post are you saying that I dislike trans or any other people and think that they should have no protection or something? I just want to know so I can keep track of who is calling me a transphobe or bigot at any one time...

Anyways I think you missed the point of my post, Things like race are very easy to see and separate for people there are prominent features on people so you can tell them apart, you can tell that someones from the US is different from someone that comes from India, this is easy to do for the most part. My point was that something that is subjective like gender or whatever cannot be seen or defined easily. This is a issue, because if you start mandating that people refer to X, Y or Z as possibly X, Y or Z but they also might be FA, AH or AFGD it really fucks with stuff because you have no idea. Laws need firm guidelines that everyone can follow, that's what a law is. Furthermore the fact that if you don't call a X who actually wants to be a AH, AH, its not something like "Ohh can you change it for me" as it can literally become "I am going sue you for $1,000,000 because you disrespected me. How the fuck does that make ANY logical sense at all? Like I literally don't get it.

Also as I have stated multiple times the bill that is currently being passed is fine, there are no issues with it and it is something that is already enacted in almost all of the provinces in Canada. The issue with the bill is what comes after it, the bills that are currently only provincial bills in places like Ontario are VERY VERY vague, the have no solid definition as to what the actual fuck they are or what they mean. This is the issue, its not about a single bill its about the president that is being set.

Like are you serious with all of this? What kind of mental disconnect do you have?

Have you take a look at the bill, and the subsequent bills that follow it at a provincial level? They literally don't have a definition at all, the bills themselves are completely arbitrary and decided by each individual person. The fuck kind of law is that?

There is a massive difference between the two and it is really scary that you cannot see that. One causes actual physical harm and possibly death while the other one is a difference in perceptions. This is a difference that literally every single one of the 7 Billion+ people on this planet share. You seeing it slightly differently doesn't make you special in any way shape or form. It makes you normal. People are free to choose what ever fictional title that they want for themselves (this by the way includes the 100% fictional and made up "titles" of He/She) as it doesn't change or effect how society works and plays out. Now on the other hand if you start to say that for some reason this perception of reality is more right then the others that can cause issues, in cases where the majority of people think it is correct it makes sense, but no in this situation its not that majority of the population that thinks this is right its literally 1% or less that sees it this way and thinks everyone else has to be like them. And the punishment for not following that is you get financially fucked over and the cherry on top is that the judge of what is actually correct is not actually a solid line either it varies from each person to each person. That is fucked right sideways when it comes to law making.

So no, rejection of someones "identity" is not a threat because guess what each person has one but I don't give a fuck what it is. If you want to be called a fucking "gender-fluid-but-only-on-every-2nd-thursday-otherwise-i-am-"it"" all the fucking power to you, and you know what i might actually call you that but it is not a right, that is something that you have to earn, much like respect. Because as far as I fucking care you are one of 7 Billion people when we first meet so why are you so special?

/Rant Let the -frags come

@#44

Its what this bill lays groundwork for. This bill itself is actually perfectly reasonable. But the bills that this one feeds into are the ones that are the massive issue. These more troublesome bills are trying to be put in place already on a provincial level and they are very vague and dangerous because of the working and interpretations that can come off of them.

Edit: in regards to 46. That is outright bullshit. One is not equal to the other at all, when you dehumanize someone you take away what it means to be human, you change or makeup definitions to put someone lower then human. Sadly me refusing to use fucking pronouns does not remove or change what it means to be human, if anything asking for all of these special privileges is more dehumanizing because you are purposefully changing the definition of what it means to be human to suit your special needs.

youmustmike

i am retarded it seems

It also has to do with use of said pronouns in contracts or business dealings. EG. If you go to a school and the school does not have your preferred pronoun as a option to use on the legal documents you can theoretically sue them for discrimination. And that is where this law get ridiculous, the law is no longer stating what cannot be said (in a racist or inflammatory matter) but it is stating what you must say for fear of upsetting someone. That is where the real issue with it is. As I said before, having laws in place to keep you from saying x or y to curtail hate is fine and needed. Having laws that tell you what to say on the other had is not. Its the difference between getting in trouble because you didn't hand in homework VS getting in trouble for handing in the homework, but its on a blue sheet of paper instead of green. Regardless of how correct the work is on the paper, or what you have done to get it in you are punished not because you didn't do it but because you didn't do it the preferred way. That't how preschool works not the real world.

I cant tell if you are actually serious or just playing devils advocate...

We are not arguing that having limits to what you can say is wrong, we are arguing that having limits that overstep basic logic is. Having pronouns classified as hate speech oversteps that line by a mile.

There is a large difference between limiting things like racism and limiting how much you can or cannot speak out about the stupid SJW shit. Saying whatever you want with zero consequences is not ok especially when it is racist or hate speech, not being able to say he or she because he/she wants to be identified as a plant or some shit is stupid. Thats not freedom of speech, thats speech manipulation. Like if you want to identify as a plabt whatever, thats fine, its your life and your choices. But do not think for a moment that it is OK to push those choices onto me or anyone else and expect us to abide by your version of reality.

because muh pronouns

Should have just posted right to the dumpster, at least that way you would have done 1 thing not totally retarded.

Lmfao

Titanfall 2. Its acutally so much fun.

????? Are you actually serious?

This is 100% "real life" we are talking about. This shit happened at LANs for fucks sake, how is that not real life? You seem to think that LAN admins are around to be school teachers that police the actions of the players, spoilers they are not. They are there to run a tournament and don't have time to go and tell idiots to fucking stop. You are disillusioned as fuck if you think that.

On top of that just telling people to stop, or muting them, or ignoring them is not something that is possible with a community that is as small as ours. If you start to ignore and mute the people that are fucking retards then literally half of the community would be muted. You say that there are systems for punishments in place but when have they ever actually done anything? The can be in place but if they are never used or acted upon they are useless.

Are people actually trying to justify this? What the actual fuck.