I lost interest during the first 3 minutes.
We’ve got hats, some hat-like body coverings, a couple of unusual effects, a taunt and a new weapon.
2/10
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posted about 9 years ago
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SpaceCadetYou should watch the whole video of this incident and not just the 10 second edit showing the takedown and choke hold. For at least 3-5 minutes ,prior to the physical stuff, the police were simply talking and giving instructions. The police were not being aggressive in any manner. This guy was getting more and more agitated as the seconds passed. When people act that way, it raises the tension level for everyone involved. He could snap and go for a weapon at any second.
Like I said before. If he was innocent (and he may well have been), then he should have taken them to court and got paid. At most, he would have been taken to the police station and detained for a few hours and let go. You can't fight or resist arrest on the spot, it is NEVER going to work and it has NOTHING to do with his skin color.
When the police have determined you have to be detained or arrested for whatever reason, they do not have to sit around and wait for you to decide when you want to be arrested. They have a job to do and it is dangerous and can cost a life in a moments notice. If you show resistance during the process, you are going to be forcefully detained. Go watch the whole video and face the facts, this guy resisted arrest.
Please stop with the hypothetical argument, just because someone is angry and agitated does not mean they are going to pull an invisible weapon out of thin air - Garner did not make any violent advances whatsoever.
If someone, even an officer, puts you in a chokehold, would you not do everything to get him off of you? Even if you make the argument of him resisting arrest, you can't account for the fact that the man repeatedly said that he could not breathe, (while having a banned chokehold on him) and having your head crushed into a sidewalk does not help the arrest. Even after he goes limp, the officers made no attempt to perform CPR or show no haste in calling medical assistance until too late.
After he is dead, they have the AUDACITY to talk to this man as if he was alive - telling his dead body "to help us so we can help you". The lady checked his pulse, who obviously at that moment realized he was dead.
Eric Garner NEVER attacked any of the officers and never showed a threat. He never touched any of the police officers. Even while Garner was being taken down, he still did NOT try to get away or attack any of the officers. He was never a threat was killed. The officer on the chokehold SHOULD HAVE in my opinion, pay for this. Even if he didn't mean to kill him, he made a wrong decision and there are consequences to that, such as manslaughter etc.
Also, do you know why people are so angry about these cases? It's because he wasn't even indicted. It's one thing to go to trial and be found not guilty. I'm sure people will be more open to that, (despite the anger it may still cause) But not being able to even ENTERTAIN THE IDEA that something wrong was done, they brush it off as a non-controversy.
posted about 9 years ago
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Hopefully that would be a wake-up call to the idiot governmental officials in this country to actually take action, but I've learned that you can't unteach stupidity when its in the minds of 50 year olds.
posted about 9 years ago
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SpaceCadetboppetSpaceCadetWhen you resist arrest you are inviting trouble for yourself. In these cases they got death.Come on Spacecadet, you can't be this blind. His hands were literally up when they grabbed hold of him. He did not hit them. He didn't run. At best he swatted the officer who was standing in front of him by the hand once. Then they grabbed him without probable cause (it wasn't proven whether he had recently sold the untaxed cigs or not) and pulled him down to chokehold (which is banned by the NYPD) and died from it.
When an officer, or in the NYC case a group of officers, tells you to do something. Just fucking listen.
The time to tell your side will come but not until they have removed you from being a threat. It is really plain and simple to understand.
I don't know in what world where arguing with an officer nonviolently and hitting someone's hand away warrants being choked to death. Even the medical examiner called it a homicide - the officers should at least be charged with assault, and Pantaleo for manslaughter.
Ok, I understand that 95% of the ppl here and on the news just want to bash the police because it is convenient. This is what I see.
1- The police were there cause he was supposedly caught doing something illegal.
2- He was going to get arrested on that basis. He knew that fact and so did the police.
3- At this point, the police have 1 objective, and that is to subdue the criminal and get him in handcuffs before he can do anything dangerous.
4- That does NOT mean there is any discussion required between the police and the criminal so he can get arrested at his leisure.
5- He made a (fatal) decision to resist arrest by saying "Don't Touch me" over and over. His better choice would have been to get arrested and call his lawyer.
6- His saying "I can't breathe" over and over is one of many overused things people say when police need to get physical with criminals. Most times people complain about one thing or another wrong with their body when that happens. It is akin to "crying wolf" since everyone does it all the time.
The bottom line is, police can't take chances with anyone these days. Look at it from the police point of view. This guy could have a hidden weapon at any place on his person. Until the police get him in cuffs and searched, he is a potential threat.
This guy's death was unfortunate and was totally avoidable. His decision to resist arrest is the major issue. His Asthma and overweight body contributed heavily to his death as well. If he was innocent, it can be proven in court, then he can sue and get paid. On the street, you can't argue with police in these situations. You have to pick your battles and play things smart. This guy made a mistake and caused a physical confrontation that his medical issues could not handle causing his death.
I don't really understand how you can see something different than other people, There's a video of this shit, clear as day.
How is bashing the police convenient? I for one would love to see some police saving a woman from a burglar, or rescuing a little girl, but you have to accept that cops aren't infallible beings.
Your blaming of the victim is massively out of whack; since when should saying 'Don't touch me' warrant having the life choked from you and your head stamped into the sidewalk? Eric Garner made a mistake? Not the guy who performed a banned chokehold on a man who committed nothing more than a misdemeanor? He didn't even have cigarettes on him that day. What threat was Garner to the cops? He showed no signs of physical aggression whatsoever. By your logic from 1 and 2 of your 'points', should I have 5 policemen pinning me down when I jaywalk?
What does it take for you to think the police did something wrong?
posted about 9 years ago
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SpaceCadetWhen you resist arrest you are inviting trouble for yourself. In these cases they got death.
When an officer, or in the NYC case a group of officers, tells you to do something. Just fucking listen.
The time to tell your side will come but not until they have removed you from being a threat. It is really plain and simple to understand.
Come on Spacecadet, you can't be this blind. His hands were literally up when they grabbed hold of him. He did not hit them. He didn't run. At best he swatted the officer who was standing in front of him by the hand once. Then they grabbed him without probable cause (it wasn't proven whether he had recently sold the untaxed cigs or not) and pulled him down to chokehold (which is banned by the NYPD) and died from it.
I don't know in what world where arguing with an officer nonviolently and hitting someone's hand away warrants being choked to death. Even the medical examiner called it a homicide - the officers should at least be charged with assault, and Pantaleo for manslaughter.
posted about 9 years ago
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I guess this is part two.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justice/new-york-grand-jury-chokehold/
posted about 9 years ago
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flexasaurus
sincostan
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Sideways Whoopi Goldberg
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Walka!
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ShtOnMyChest
posted about 9 years ago
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SnowdreamboppetIf Eminem wants to get subject material, maybe he should just go the MF DOOM route and adopt a comic book character persona and rap from that perspective or some shit.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Eminem_-_The_Slim_Shady_LP_CD_cover.jpg
The Slim Shady LP (1999)
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posted about 9 years ago
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If Eminem wants to get subject material, maybe he should just go the MF DOOM route and adopt a comic book character persona and rap from that perspective or some shit. It's really sad how the vast majority of people will place this on a pedestal and say it's another reason he's a "Rap God". The best song was a solo song by Yelawolf, which is pretty disappointing.
Also the album cover looks like it was designed by a 7th grader.
posted about 9 years ago
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Have any of you guys listened to it?
I'm personally not a fan of the experimental beats exactly, and the sort robotic rapping delivery he's adopted. It doesn't flow well on the beats, and it sounds foreign to compared to his previous style. Also, a lot of the songs lack replay value.
I'd give it a 5/10 it's really a poor album, especially compared to MMLP2 and previous works.
What do you think?
posted about 9 years ago
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Protesting worked in the past - but now there is easy accessible media that will easy dilute and destroy the message if they feel to do so. Even though I said history repeats itself, the cause may be the same, but we will never know the resolution.
If they actually expect change, they need to do at least 3 things:
1. Organize the riots with a clear message.
2. Unify, and make demands that relate to bettering the police/citizen relationship situation as a whole, outside of an indictment; because that ship has sailed.
3. Riot/Protest away from your community. Outside of the police station or a government building is an effective idea such as this: https://vine.co/v/OAt2EpWulla
posted about 9 years ago
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codytheguycodyguyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMCaubJ3tY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZKzqcSyy4g
Hmm that changes a lot of my perspective. Whether or not Michael Brown was innocent in context of the confrontation is still up for debate. However his parents are not as deserving my empathy anymore.
It does though speak volumes when the cries from the crowd are that "they don't care about us" - which probably is true. Despite this, I still see no reason to burn down the very place that you live in - your community.
Which is probably what I would have said exactly 50 years ago.
The situation in Ferguson is almost identical to the race riots between 1963-1970. Straight from wikipedia:
The racial makeup of most major city police departments, largely ethnic white (especially Irish), was a major factor in adding to racial tensions. Even a black neighborhood such as Harlem had a ratio of one black officer for every six white officers.[132] The majority-black city of Newark, New Jersey had only 145 blacks among its 1322 police officers.[133] Police forces in Northern cities were largely composed of white ethnics, descendants of 19th-century immigrants: mainly Irish, Italian, and Eastern European officers. They had established their own power bases in the police departments and in territories in cities. Some would routinely harass blacks with or without provocation.[134]
Wow history literally fucking repeats itself to the smallest detail.
Harlem Riot 1964
One of the first major race riots took place in Harlem, New York, in the summer of 1964. A white Irish-American police officer, Thomas Gilligan, shot 15-year-old James Powell, who was black, for allegedly charging him armed with a knife. It was found that Powell was unarmed. A group of black citizens demanded Gilligan's suspension. Hundreds of young demonstrators marched peacefully to the 67th Street police station on July 17, 1964, the day after Powell's death.[135]
The police department did not suspend Gilligan. Although the precinct had promoted the NYPD's first black station commander, neighborhood residents were frustrated with racial inequalities. They looted and burned anything that was not black-owned in the neighborhood.[citation needed] Bedford-Stuyvesant, a major black neighborhood in Brooklyn erupted next. That summer, rioting also broke out in Philadelphia, for similar reasons.
posted about 9 years ago