In CSGO, pros complained about the ability to track enemies through smoke on the radar, and though the general majority was against it, the devs understood that they should defer to the pros because they know more about game balance. Within 24 hours of a prominent player voicing his opinion, they introduced a patch to change a mechanic that's been in the game since 2012.

As for RGL, while I do think testing out broken shit can give feedback on what must be tweaked, I don't believe any amount of tweaking will let 6 pyros vs 6 snipers ever be competitively viable. I think the rules of the game should be changed to adapt to our consideration.

You know what I meant, stop splitting hairs.

That's what I meant. I was specifically talking about 2600x and 8600k, not as a general statement. x264 is software encoding anyways, so hardware doesn't matter.

NVENC is not a godsend. x264 has better quality at the limited bitrates for twitch streaming. TF2 barely uses 4 threads and there's little to no performance hit when using ryzen. Modern games might get a 5% performance drop, but ryzen is still better than intel for x264.

#12 #13 Here's a sample part list, but you should really post on the build thread and consult Setsul before making a decision. If you want to go Intel, you need to add 150+ for the higher cost for CPU, motherboard and cooler, and it's only justified if you decide to overclock. As I said before, there are better uses for your money when you already have 250+ fps. You can upgrade to a 2700x, get 16gb ram (unnecessary for games), get a 144hz IPS instead of TN/VA, mod your mouse (paracord/teflon skates), get a mechanical keyboard or just buy groceries.

I would suggest getting the 2600X since you want to stream. You have the option of upgrading to ryzen 3000 down the line without upgrading your motherboard. 8600k performs pitifully if you want to stream. The rx580 is slightly better than the gtx 1060, but the difference is marginal so just buy whichever is cheaper at the time.

https://youtu.be/GDggr3kt96Q?t=130

The ryzen 3000 series will drop this summer, so you can decide if you want to wait that long as we get more news about it in the coming months. If you want to build a PC now, you can make a post on the build thread with your requirements and use case.

Every modern intel and ryzen processor can get over 250 fps, and unless you only play TF2 or have money to blow the GPU is far more important. You can play modern games at high graphics 1080p with gtx 1060/rx 580. Go for 1070ti or better only if you are playing at 1440p+. Prioritise getting a 144hz monitor, good headphones, mouse and keyboard in your budget, as they have a higher impact than a difference between 250 and 300 fps. Get a ryzen 2600 if you don't have 144hz, get i5 9600k if you do.

Tested out impact of RAM frequencies on ryzen. R5 2600 + RX 580. Benchmark results are on benchmark_test demo and mastercoms medium-low config. Radeon Version 18.12.2

3200 MHz: 4812 frames 16.847 seconds 285.63 fps ( 3.50 ms/f) 38.188 fps variability
2933 MHz: 4812 frames 18.437 seconds 260.99 fps ( 3.83 ms/f) 33.665 fps variability
2666 MHz: 4812 frames 19.041 seconds 252.72 fps ( 3.96 ms/f) 32.059 fps variability
2400 MHz: 4812 frames 19.595 seconds 245.57 fps ( 4.07 ms/f) 31.527 fps variability
2133 MHz: 4812 frames 20.594 seconds 233.65 fps ( 4.28 ms/f) 29.221 fps variability

The 2600 is on 3.4GHz, turbo to 3.9GHz, and 2700x goes from 3.7-4.3GHz. The biggest jump was from 2933 to 3200, so you should get a 3200 kit or a 3000 kit and OC it to 3200. 3600MHz kits are too costly for minimal performance bump. 2133MHz is pretty bad even for Intel.

Also, are you completely sure you removed all bloatware in windows? The last time I tested it had a 30+ fps difference. Did you disable all tracking when windows prompted you to give permission during the install process? Also there's lots of useless services like xbox and fax running in the background, you can find many guides for it. Enable high performance plan on windows. tf_use_match_hud has a large impact on fps. I can try out impact while streaming if you really need it, but unlike Intel, Ryzen barely has any fps loss while streaming

AMD generally likes fast ram, so that can be part of the problem, but it shouldn't go as low as 100 fps average. On an R5 2600, I went from 260-270 avg fps to 285, going from 3000 to 3666 MHz. However it doesn't scale linearly and you should see more improvement going from 2133 to 3000-3200 or so. See if you can overclock it, or borrow some from a friend for a few hours.

What fps do you get with -default -autoconfig, fully stock TF2?

2700x doesn't have integrated graphics.

Edit: its possible he may have disabled SMT and the threads launch option can fuck it up. Otherwise just that launch option can't account for 200 fps delta.

What is your ram's rated speed? Did you plug your ram in the correct slots? Check if it's failing from prime95. Is your pc overheating? What is your case and fan setup? Check the temps while running cinebench. Did you reinstall the OS after changing processor? Did you change any settings in the uefi?

Launch options are useless, remove them. There's something clearly wrong, but its not AMD. You should be getting 200+ fps at all times.

I completely understand the pessimism, Valve have given very little and outside support has dried up leaving you embittered and clinging to whatever still works. But it's also true that being resistant to change will be the game's demise. Promods have never and will never gain enough traction. OTOH, multiple games have been made esports simply by publishers dumping money into them. I know there are weapons which will never work even with tweaking, but there's precedent of valve completely redesigning weapons from the ground up.

I have no delusions about tf2 ever being a major esport, but it can still get rocket league numbers. As someone else said, it's like cancer, you can either die a natural death or go through chemotherapy and maybe survive.

When did I advocate for no class limits? When did I say they know anything about comp? Stop arguing against strawmen. My entire point was that you need to give them more actual feedback rather than theorycrafting from the sidelines. 45 mins of pugs aren't enough for an informed decision, but it's better than nothing. Hopefully the next couple weeks of scrims are enough.

Also, if you think the previous updates didn't have any well thought out rebalances you should read them again.

People seem to conflate valve and the tf2 developers, they are not the same. Multiple ex-employees have told how they've had a horrible experience working at Valve, and that everyone is forced to play internal politics. Everyone wants to work on the new stuff and old IPs are left to rot. The skeleton crew working on TF2 is committing career suicide only because they care deeply about improving the game. They have limitations too. They can't just beg money from gaben for "TF2 majors" without showing results.

The casual and competitive side of TF2 are vastly different, unlike any other esport. From the outside, everyone looks at it as a hat simulator. You need to bridge the gap between the two gamemodes for any chance of success. I don't think what b4nny and co. are doing is the right way, but the community needs to be a bit more flexible too, and they have shown time and time again that they refuse to budge.

You guys could've unbanned relatively inoffensive weapons in pugs, exploited the shit out of them and generated incredibly valuable feedback. We saw Valve implement sensible changes in Jungle Inferno and Blue Moon updates from your feedback, they aren't incompetent. But even after the changes it took so long for anyone to actually try out the rebalanced weapons. There's invite players who don't even know about balance changes.

Even now, no one is advocating for straight up unbanning bonk,etc. Teams are going to try the new whitelist in scrims, you are welcome to exploit them and find out those edge cases. If it's broken it won't be in the next season.

Side note, I've seen the same thing with maps. No one wants to even give new maps a chance, they just see a couple big flaws in early builds and dismiss their potential. The only time they get played is when there's money on the line.

https://imgur.com/a/afzS3Kl

Doing god's work, thank you.