https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread
might have better luck getting a response in this thread

Wait for computex.

i get above 250 with a ryzen 7 2700x & 1060 3gb, would recommend a 1070/1080 tho

if all you are doing is playing games buy intel

ryzen 3000 series CPUs will be a very compelling buy for gaming once the chips are released, the per-core performance is way better than the ryzen 2000 series ones

higher core counts for cheaper is also a nice added bonus

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html LOL

destruction

you absolutely need to fact check this because i might be talking out of my ass, but I think setsul said that tf2 performs better on intel generally. also tf2 likes fast ram. basically read the entire pc build thread. I have an intel 6100, GTX 750, and ddr4 (2800 ?) and I never really go below ~200 in a 6v6 setting, or 144 in a pub with config

I did not say that. Saying Intel is generally faster than AMD for TF2 is like saying Ford is generally faster than Chevy in curves, you can't generalize that over so many years and dozens of models because it's not even clear which Intel SKU you're comparing with which AMD SKU. It's mostly about single threaded performance. So clockrates and microarchitectures.
At 2 GHz it's going to run like shit no matter what. On Bulldozer (FX-xxxx) it'll run like shit even on 5 GHz. On an old Core 2 it'll also run like shit. On a single core it'll run like shit but you can't buy those anymore anyway and if you buy an old one then just like Bulldozer (2011) or Core 2 (even older) you deserve what you get for buying an ancient CPU. On 2 cores it'll run ok, beyond 2 cores + SMT or 3 cores you gain nothing.

End result, just don't buy old CPUs, neither Zen nor Skylake (current AMD/Intel architectures) suck, get >3 GHz (which already rules out 2 cores without SMT), ideally close to 4 GHz or if you can afford overclocking you can go beyond that but either way you'll get a decent CPU.

Yes.

That would take a bit too long and some of it is outdated.

The ryzen 3000 series will drop this summer, so you can decide if you want to wait that long as we get more news about it in the coming months. If you want to build a PC now, you can make a post on the build thread with your requirements and use case.

Every modern intel and ryzen processor can get over 250 fps, and unless you only play TF2 or have money to blow the GPU is far more important. You can play modern games at high graphics 1080p with gtx 1060/rx 580. Go for 1070ti or better only if you are playing at 1440p+. Prioritise getting a 144hz monitor, good headphones, mouse and keyboard in your budget, as they have a higher impact than a difference between 250 and 300 fps. Get a ryzen 2600 if you don't have 144hz, get i5 9600k if you do.

Planning to get an 8600k with a 1060 6gb with 144hz monitor, planning to stream/make youtube vids as well. Sounds ok?

or i was thinking of getting a 2600x with a 1060 6gb with 144hz monitor

if ur interested in the ryzen 3000 series chips at all i would say wait until they drop or we at least have benchmarks of them

if not then i would say the 8600k

edit: i didn’t see the part about streaming, the 2600x would be a good buy then

I would suggest getting the 2600X since you want to stream. You have the option of upgrading to ryzen 3000 down the line without upgrading your motherboard. 8600k performs pitifully if you want to stream. The rx580 is slightly better than the gtx 1060, but the difference is marginal so just buy whichever is cheaper at the time.

https://youtu.be/GDggr3kt96Q?t=130

imagine using cpu encoding in 2018 + 1

i regret unbanning u

With or without a config? Because some very cheap cards are able to run it at 250+ with some tweaking.

NVENC is not a godsend. x264 has better quality at the limited bitrates for twitch streaming. TF2 barely uses 4 threads and there's little to no performance hit when using ryzen. Modern games might get a 5% performance drop, but ryzen is still better than intel for x264.

#12 #13 Here's a sample part list, but you should really post on the build thread and consult Setsul before making a decision. If you want to go Intel, you need to add 150+ for the higher cost for CPU, motherboard and cooler, and it's only justified if you decide to overclock. As I said before, there are better uses for your money when you already have 250+ fps. You can upgrade to a 2700x, get 16gb ram (unnecessary for games), get a 144hz IPS instead of TN/VA, mod your mouse (paracord/teflon skates), get a mechanical keyboard or just buy groceries.

That's also wrong though. Ryzen is not better than Intel for x264.
More threads are better for x264 and there are some gaps in the Coffee Lake lineup where Ryzen is significantly cheaper for the same number of threads (e.g. 6/12 starting at 199$ vs 303$) due to most Intel SKUs not having SMT but Ryzen is not strictly better. 9900K vs 2700 I know which one is going to win. Of course one of them costs half as much as the other.

No one is forcing you to pay for a K-CPU, Z-mobo and cooler for overclocking. If you don't want to just don't. If you want to then yes, Intel is much more expensive, but don't act like you'd do a balls-to-the-wall OC on a 2700X with the stock cooler and 60$ B350 mobo.

I run a 7700 non k with a gtx 1070, 32 gb of ram, and I still drop to 190 during mid fights. Is something wrong with my gpu or something? I know its not throttling my temps are very stable. I use cowmanglias cfg

what speed is ur cpu clocked at when ur fps dips that low? since its the non-k version it should be turboing to somewhere close to 4.2 ghz

That's what I meant. I was specifically talking about 2600x and 8600k, not as a general statement. x264 is software encoding anyways, so hardware doesn't matter.

https://i.imgur.com/VdtTiwp.png

ya u should definitely be getting more than that

i have less ram, a less powerful graphics card, and basically the same cpu as u, and i pull about 250 fps in midfights, which could be explained by my overclock

paging setsul and/or comanglia

I've been getting a lot of issues with my computer recently. I've had micro stutters in almost every game. For example in Dota 2 when spectre ults or terroblade uses a illusion ability I stutter. I think it is hardware related. After this happened I accidentally broke the clip on my gpu but it still plugs in fine, unsure if that is causing issues, maybe loose connection.

I'm guessing either my hard drive or ssd is causing issues, or that it is my ram or motherboard. I moved a prebuilt to a regular case and am using an oem motherboard. it's a pain to update the drivers so I'm just going to buy a new motherboard and if that doesn't fix it I'm gonna test ssd/hdd and then ram.

EDIT* my benchmarks were fine as well
UserBenchmarks: Game 93%, Desk 83%, Work 69%
CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 - 82.6%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070 - 96.4%
SSD: Intel 600p Series NVMe PCIe M.2 256GB - 119.3%
HDD: WD Blue 1TB (2012) - 89.2%
HDD: WD Blue 500GB (2010) - 73.9%
RAM: Hynix HMA81GU6AFR8N-UH 4x8GB - 82%
MBD: Acer G3-710

Uhm what?

#26
Have someone with a similar or the same CPU (maybe viper) run timedemo on the same demo with the same settings and compare the results. Adjust for clockrate if necessary.

It's highly unlikely that your SSD or HDD cause stuttering, but you can read out the S.M.A.R.T data and check if they are broken.
The mobo is also unlikely.
RAM can be checked with memtest86.

Before buying a new mobo try reinstalling windows.

You know what I meant, stop splitting hairs.

how would i go about doing that? i've never benchmarked tf2 using demos before

#28
No, I really don't know what you're trying to say.

#29
https://www.teamfortress.tv/7598/tf2-benchmarks
Download link is broken but it's still somewhere in the thread and any demo will do as long as you both use the same one.