It is better. The Overheal nerf is not significant because the extra buff is not enough to initiate a team fight against the healing, and the Quick-Fix allows Medics to disengage from poor fights incredibly easily. To expand upon the first point, in a no-Uber situation all the QF has to do to break even with stock is to ensure that the fight does not end in 7.5 seconds...ish. It's weird because the classes playing near the Medic will stay buffed, but that's the point where Overheal decays to the 50% mark, and once that advantage is gone you have nothing. You have to get your team in their faces in that time frame, which is very difficult, because, again, the Quick-Fix is much better at disengaging from shitty fights, because you can jump. During the Quick-Fix meta, Ubercharge was only run (once people besides Mixup figured out it was broken) to counter Kritzkrieg and push vs turtle classes (which were much more frequently run due to the turtle nerf).

Not granting invulnerability is one of the shittiest things about it. It is bad at pushing through chokes, which means it's bad at pushing, which means nothing happens. (which is bad for the metagame because doing nothing is boring and pushing is fun)

But it's only a downside against a team that knows how to counter it. In a scenario with standard classes where one team has stock and the other has QF, the QF has a massive advantage - it builds faster. What the Quick-Fix team needs to do is trade Ubers. In a no-Uber situation, you will win because of the heal advantage. Or you can just build and use your 8 seconds where they don't have Uber to kill everything. Also, if you fuck up, just jump your Medic out, you'll have Uber ad and can try again.

There are only three difficult things about 6s Medic.

One of them is arrowing people. (EDIT: oh yeah i didn't think of this before, the quick-fix lessens the need for this skill because it builds extremely fast and has offers more zero risk healing vs the high risk high reward of attempting to arrow a teammate)

The second is Pyro DM.

The last one (and only one that really matters) is positioning. Positioning is one of the only facets of Medic that takes skill (and you don't need it if you are getting micro'd, Medic is also the easiest class to micro). The Quick-Fix removes this facet because you cannot be punished for bad positioning, especially since Medic shoots further than the actual Soldier he's attached to (and therefore a potential Soldier that's chasing him) due to his lighter weight.

Also, you say that flashing QF takes skill. It does not. Flashing Uber takes skill because you need to decide if they are GOING to take damage, which is often a difficult decision. Flashing QF does not take skill because you only need to flash megaheal to heal things that are already hurt. You don't need to think, just look at their health bar.

You have to be aware of stickytraps regardless of Medigun, including Vaccinator (you need to pop to save people from getting killed by the trap).

Lmao, what are you talking about? Competitive teams and players don't do things to have fun. The only thing that matters in a competitive game is winning. People will use things that allow them to win. Sitting around your combo as a Heavy / Pyro in HL and spychecking and getting 5 kills and 50 dpm in an hour long game isn't fun. People still do it because it's how you win. Playing 6s Pyro or Spy is fun, they're still worthless garbage joke classes and that's why nobody plays it or wants to pick up a Pyro or Spy.

A point-blank Heavy has the DPS to crush megaheal.

Sniper hits through the faster heal rate / megaheal.

Stickytraps go through megaheal.

Axtinguisher used to.

A very good Kritz punches through it (if it's a glancing blow they can survive and surf away).

there are a bunch of other things like jarate and phlog and spy and gunslinger crit punch but the former is blatantly broken and the others are obviously jokes

Do we want a game where Snipers stare at each other for 5min?

Do we want a game where Heavies are run outside of last?

Do you want a game where the team that pushes is always the team that loses? Because the Quick-Fix is amazing at defending because all you have to do is draw out the fight and you will win, and it's very difficult for your Medic to die since he has such a good escape tool. It's also shit at pushing through spam, traps, and Sniper, which means much more waiting around for a Sniper pick.

Also, Quick-Fix was unbanned before the Axtinguisher was gutted and (more importantly) before stickies were nerfed. Kritzkrieg is much shittier now.

FUCK rock paper scissors. Rock paper scissors is NOT what makes TF2 interesting.

One of the many reasons that Overwatch is a shit game is that it is full of hard counters and rock paper scissors. Pharah is deleted by Hanzo or any of the hitscan heroes. Reaper is absolutely, 100% worthless against Dva. Zarya existing makes Junkrat and Pharah useless. Tracer 1v1s everything. Yes, none of those characters are necessary overpowered because there is counterplay in a team setting - but there is nothing as frustrating as seeing your hard counter and knowing you may as well take your hands off your keyboard go take a piss because you chose wrong.

The reason 6s is fun is all the combat classes have the potential to outplay each other, and the format creates opportunities for them to do that. That sort of thing will never happen in 6s unless you play Medic or Pyro, or are playing against a very good Sniper, or are playing Scout vs Sentry + Engineer.

The reason the Quick-Fix meta wasn't fun is that what allowed teams to win wasn't being able to win those exciting team fights, but switching Mediguns and exchanging fast, mobile classes that are equally good at pushing and holding to slow turtle classes that are trash at pushing and can easily punish attempts from the enemy team to initiate fights, leading to a whole lot of jack shit going on. Also, Kritzkrieg is trash with the Demo nerf so maybe it will just be Quick-Fix vs Quick-Fix with Ubercharge to push last. Which is also shitty.

What are you talking about? Do you mean that it can't cap points while Ubered? Or do you mean it's lost ground vs other Mediguns because they grant Scout speed? Because neither of those things matter. The Quick-Fix is broken because it lets Medics escape too quickly and easily, outheals Medigun in mid range team fights, and builds faster than Medigun Ubercharge while still being able to trade with it. Its vulnerability to offclassing also means lots of dumb shit like permanent Heavy and Sniper are brought in to DPS down megaheal.

Literally every facet of Quick-Fix makes for a shittier game.

(unless they've changed something i'm not aware of)

the pomson got nerfed and the drain is negligible unless you are at point blank

if you're going to run into medics to try and point blank hit them, 2shot them with the shotgun

also it doesn't penetrate anymore

Odd, I don't have a problem with seeing the projectile with default graphics, and my eyesight is shit. Is it on a specific setting?

Why does jumping to an ammo kit every 8 rockets fired make for a more exciting game?

the charge shot is irrelevant outside of making big sentries un-rescuable, it's loud and has a massive windup

last point doesn't matter

The thing I'd like to discuss is the second point. Do teams or players actually push when a Soldier jumps away to get ammo? If so, then the CM5K contributes to slowing down the game by removing those push opportunities. In my experience, I have never pushed or been pushed because I or an enemy soldier has jumped away to get ammo. There is an argument for pushing when a Soldier empties his clip and is therefore vulnerable, but the CM5K also does that.

I feel like the change from limited to infinite ammo is like having to tell individual workers to start mining when they spawn and artificially-tiny control groups [EDIT: in starcraft brood war, elements that were removed in the sequel]. Yes, it removes an element of the game that separates good players from bad players, but it was a tedious, useless element whose removal allowed players to focus more on things that are fun and exciting, like fighting people.

ALSO 1 more thing: ban the machina because it encourages bodyshotting, can't be bodyblocked which is silly, and 1shots pain train demos. the only thing that prevents sniper from being overpowered is that its difficult, anything that makes it easier should be banned

i agree that jarate and rescue ranger need to go

why does everyone hate the CM5K? is picking up ammo what makes tf2 fun and exciting to watch and play? is charge shotting overpowered? i've asked a ton of people why they don't like / use the CM5K and the answer has pretty much always been "the viewmodel makes me want to kill myself" or "doesn't fire from center".

the current whitelist we have would literally be fine without jarate, rr, and battalion's backup. I really can't understand or sympathize with the call to return to a medlocks + gunboats whitelist.

the problem with an anonymous unrestricted poll is that it the opinions of the majority are stacked towards the lowest common denominator

i will fight you tojo

midas actually hacks

also i like ether he is very cute and nice

phone is a fucking monster at scout and sniper

iggynacio has also impressed me a lot with his medic play

up and comers!

reimu and glider are cute and good

be like clockwork and blame hitreg / ping every time you die or miss a shot

Overwatch itself isn't fast-paced, but the gamemodes that Overwatch has are. KOTH is obvious - I think Pro Viaduct and Coalplant are the most exciting maps to both watch and play that this game has ever had, just because of how well the gametype encourages pushing and makes it difficult to hold. A/D isn't fast-paced in the traditional sense, but there is always so much tension and strategy because a single mistake can mean disaster and one team is constantly attempting to put on pressure. I love 5CP, but of the 3 gamemodes, there is the most downtime.

Also, turtle classes in the present state of 6s are fine. You can make an argument that the Eviction Notice should be banned, but honestly it doesn't matter. Turtle classes are good for the metagame because they are only useful in one instance - having a chance to hold last vs full uber disadvantage, after wiping on mid. Even with the Gunslinger and Eviction Notice and Tomislav and Powerjack, they are still complete trash at transition fights, which means they aren't run out of lasts. Pushing lasts isn't why tf2 is slow, and teams breezing through last pushes with full advantage isn't going to fix anything.

As to what a promod could potentially do to make the game faster / better...well, I wrote down a bunch of ideas, but I probably won't post them unless there's interest, which I doubt there will be. The one thing I will say is PYYYOUR once made a post here (can't find it) that said that Uber charging faster and lasting less long would lead to a faster game. I think it's very interesting - there's a lot dead time in TF2 while teams build Uber. Making it charge faster cuts down on the dead time. Making the duration shorter makes it less insurmountable, so it isn't so inconceivable to push into an Uber without one, or start a slow push knowing you'll get it on the way.

tr_aim_training_b13 is p good

the return

holy shit you're cute