Not trying to be conceited, but everyone else does see it that way, sorry. Everyone who I've told or had to tell in real life is always either very surprised or hesitant to believe me, since the only trans people they've seen are the ones that don't pass (I wonder why?) There are plenty of trans people, man or woman, that don't get 'clocked' in real life

I mean, its stupid to refer to girls as men, that's all im saying.

I didn't imply that at all, I'm just implying that bloodsire is stupid

im sorry bloodsire but if we were in public and you called me a he/him etc people would probably think you were mentally retarded

>taking anything I say in mge seriously

lol

Imagine the prettiest, sexiest girl you know.
Now imagine the ugliest, manliest guy you know.

The girl has a dick, and the guy has a vagina. The girl still identifies as a girl and vice versa.

Lets say you're a straight man. You have to pick one of them to kiss and be intimate with.

According to your opinion, the straight man would choose the manly, unattractive man, who you say is a woman. It is pretty likely that a straight dude would rather make out with this person - http://s3.amazonaws.com/cw-thoughts/615664/original.jpg over this person - http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3290/2896335920_ed187efe15.jpg (these are both transpeople, just to clarify)

The classification of "man" and "woman" are not rooted in biology.

Pronouns don't come from sex, though.
Everyone I come in contact with calls me a woman so why cant you? It's obvious that I'm a woman when they look at me, or talk to me. It's irrelevant what chromosomes I was born with because it has no impact on how people view me.

You can call me a male all you want, but all you're doing is being an asshole. It's like bringing up that a someone is a rape victim for no reason when it has no impact on how you should view them.

Can't tell if you're trolling or not but I shouldn't even have to argue that I'm not deceiving anyone. You desire to be a king, but you are not. I am a woman, and I don't have to desire or pretend to be one, because I am one. When I go out about my day, people treat me like a woman because I look, act, and sound like one. It's really not hard to understand. It seems like you need to reevaluate the differences between gender and birth sex.

Since this whole thing is beside the thread topic, I'd consider just spouting insults at me next time since it would be a hell of a lot easier on you.

Also, there are plenty of examples of other species showing homosexual and trans behavior. I wouldn't say its "biologically wrong" at all.

The problem with your comparison is the fact that it's obvious that you think there is always something inherently wrong with being trans. Yet, when you look at it objectively, there really isn't a problem with it, much like being gay, etc. The problem with the trans issue, is that not everyone ends up looking attractive - as a result, they get made fun of.

This is where the argument gets cloudy - however, these people don't choose to look unattractive; it is merely a result of their biological disposition. The only reasonable comparison to make, is that when obese people react to depression by eating a lot, they, as a result, end up looking obese. They indulge their desire to eat much like a transperson desires to be percieved as the opposite gender. What is wrong with the obese person, is that they can easily equalize their desire to eat by simply exercising more, so they don't suffer any negative consequence. There is obviously no such simple solution for a transperson, thus your comparison makes no sense.

The only exception is when the obese person in question has a specific problem with their body that makes it extremely hard to lose weight to the point where they will only gain weight. However, this problem is rare enough that one can assume there is really no real reason for most people to be obese.

you would think with the exorbitant amount of money you pay your private college/university or even your community college, it would cover a few books

people in countries besides america/canada don't usually have to do this and I think it's kind of ridiculous tbh

I'm pretty sure that I'm beautiful L0L dont have to pretend mate

You can't really compare being LGBT with obesity. If it really upsets people to be made fun of when they're obese, they can lose weight. If you're gay or whatever, there is shit all you can do about people making fun of you, thus there is a cause to fight for.

Also, I don't expect people to treat me as an equal. I have come to accept that in todays society, however normal and cis I may look and sound, if someone finds out about me being transgender they will most likely be a little put off. I'm not bothered. There's nothing I can change about it.
But if I could, I know that I would do anything and everything I could to do so

I'm sorry, but being obese is something that is (usually) easily solved by a little self-control. The reality is, she can fix her problem (the one she is being persecuted for) by holding off on snacks, eating healthier, and exercising even if just a little.
If she is obese for a different reason, such as wanting to be a special plus-sized snowflake - which seems unlikely - that's fine. I would still be just as much as a friend. I would still, however, disagree with her choice to be less healthy than most people and unattractive to the majority of the population (which is why she gets made fun of)

I should clarify that by shaming, I mean offering any type of input in regards to their weight, positive or negative intentions, since that seems to be what people mean on reddit/etc

I have a friend IRL that is obese. She is still pretty fashionable, very indie looking, etc, but she is obese. She eats a lot and she doesn't exercise.

She keeps complaining about how other people make fun of her when she's working at her (plus size) clothing store. I never comment on her weight - it doesn't bother me on its own, but sometimes there are times when I want to and I don't, because I'm her friend.

I personally think its pretty unreasonable to expect people not to shame you if you're obese, since it is an inherently unhealthy/ugly trait. I would never hate on anyone solely because of their weight, don't get me wrong - but, there are plenty of times when it does seem appropriate to shame someone and bring them back down to reality.

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