you guys should offer to mentor every person who donates to you

the same is true for chess club, matter of fact

considering cigarettes are physically addictive I don't think it's really about which one you enjoy more, lol

LOBBYCHAMP '10

that doesn't explain removing someone from friends lol

ducky is a lil...yeah but hes decent, and their scouts wreck

gl

WHO_CARES

HEH

do you ever let marisa pitch

quick someone photoshop it so the girl is a cat and mausy is a mouse

ill donate if br0 players actually start contributing to the community in the slightest

it was funny for a while to see them run around being trolls, but I think the time for that is over

SO THATS WHY GIRLS ARE BAD AT VIDEO GAMES!

I do think that it's true that the 6v6 community sometimes doesn't carry itself the best way, and that there aren't enough channels for new players to enter. However, I think there's a bigger reason why 6s hasn't seen a huge influx of new teams- the highlander scene. Allow me to explain.

A giant percentage of the top 6s players will tell you that they started on some public server, and joined 6s when their community put together a team for a free league like cevo or twl. Yes, 6s is more restrictive when it comes from making the leap from pubs to competitive- I mean, only 4/9 of your community would seem eligible really. However, whether it was because they put util players on scout and had them learn it or because they still had enough of those cookie cutter mains on their server, those teams happened in mass proportion.

Of course, this was before hl, when 6s was the easiest way for a community to get into competitive. Now, hl just makes more sense. You can keep your same classes, and it's a lot more casual, so you can still remain a part of your public community at the same time as playing in the league. When was the last time you saw a public server community really go into 6s? It's a lot rarer nowadays.

I'm not mad at hl for this, it's just the way it is.

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I said that the situational classes are worse because they're, well, situational. You can't argue against that by posting examples of very specific situations where they work. That's the whole point! They're only good in those specific situations! And yes, I can say a scout is flat out better than a pyro, because it's NOT a situational class. 90% of the time it will be better than a pyro, and the other 10% it will be worse. That's enough for me.

The thing is, yes pyros and spies have very specific skills that can be useful (denying damage/area for pyros, getting priority picks and scouting information for spy). However, they are almost forced to specialize on those specific skills, because they are so bad at just doing damage. If you don't realize that the classes that do more damage/get more kills ARE inherently better, I don't know what to even say. Ever wonder why teams in a 5v6 get destroyed 5-0? Not just lose by a little bit, but get annihilated, even if they're better? Because tf2 is so contingent on damage output that like 4-5000 less results in a complete whitewash. Look at a match where a team wins like 5-1 in 20 minutes and see how the damage between the two teams still only differs by a few thousand. When you have less damage dealing potential, your class is worse THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME. Period.

I never said that any of the utility classes are useless. and yes, obviously if the 6s rules only allowed 1 scout or soldier you'd see more utilities; would you rather just use 4 players on your team? of course not.

I simply said the other classes were overall BETTER. I think this really shows on top teams like -ts- that have some of the best players in each class. TMP and stabby might be really good, but no one's AFRAID of them like they are Jake or ruwin.

I will concede that the hl format slighly CHANGES which classes are the most powerful (soldier is a bit worse and sniper is much much better). However, in 6s you can always run a class configuration that allows a more neutral distribution of power, regardless of which classes are most powerful in any given situation. In hl that's not the case.

Again, I never said the situational classes are useless. It's in their name, they're situational, lol. A lot of dumb 6s players want to ban degreaser, axtinguisher, flare gun, etc. because they feel it makes pyros too strong in the situations where they're useful. I just say, well, in that situation the pyro SHOULD be powerful.

That still doesn't change the fact that, if given the option, you would run a different class over the pyro the vast majority of the time. hl might seem more open to new players because you can play any class, which is definitely a fair way of looking at it. However, I think it's equally fair to look at it as less open to raising the skill ceiling, high-level competition, and an evolving metagame. After all, when half of your team is permanently weaker than the other half it makes things more difficult in that regard.

again, you're conflating two points which weakens your argument

the first is that hl is fun with all the classes and ain't no changin that. I agree. I love hl!

the second is that the hl classes are just as useful as the 6s classes, just "in their own special way". um, no. if they were, THEY'D BE USED IN 6S, WHERE THEY'RE ALSO ALLOWED. demo is better than pyro. scout is better than spy. FACT. EVEN FACTORING IN all the airblasts, med picks, etc., those classes are just much worse. if you won't even admit that much then no one can have an honest discussion about the game mode.