Shoutout to milo and squid for rate hacking in pugmes last night.
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Ond_kaja How many other tournaments would let you reschedule games willy nilly?
Please don't pretend that rescheduling is not a thing in other tournaments or leagues across every game. Especially in tournaments that are drawn out for this long. It's not like this was a one day thing (which btw 1 day tournaments are amazing when planned properly).
Ond_kaja Please accept the fact that the two teams playing are not the only ones who would have to deal with the rescheduling bullshit, but also tournament admins,
ninjanick we even had razer staff agree to be available if any issues arised
Ond_kaja people involved in the casting and the stream viewers, the world doesn't revolve around you.
ninjanick we wanted to reschedule an earlier match against mangoes that was not being casted to an earlier date so it would not delay the tournament.
2:18 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: i get you're mad but did you even read what ive said to you on steam or posted
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: as ive said several times, ive had no part in this tournament except playing until then
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: because no one else was making a decision so I had to
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: ive had no part in anything else
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: so you're wrong about that
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: and again
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: why would you post something that ive let you know is completely false
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: rather than something you put in the post of a response to me with a problem you had with tsc that actually happened
2:31 AM - TSU ninjanick: My only fault is including the fact that this guy is a b4nny mod. It doesn't change the fact that he's a terrible admin. And you making a decision only one time doesn't mean you shouldn't have been the one making that decision. Is tsc like the only guy who's available to be a tftv admin? Pick better admins or we won't play. That's the point of the post.
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: Alright so you wont be in the next event
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: and thats not like a
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: weird threat thing
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: i mean
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: you dont have to play lol
2:32 AM - TSU ninjanick: Yeah lol
2:33 AM - TSU ninjanick: Our entire team is heated because of our experience with this guy
2:33 AM - TSU ninjanick: It's not like I'm making my team not play
Posting this so it doesnt look like im just not responding to ma3la's post
blazeto add on to nick's post, why was LB semi-final and UB final scheduled on saturday at 5pm pst and UB final and grand final on sunday? Why not just move them to sunday and monday which are more regularly scheduled days people can actually show up to? It didn't seem like there was a rush to finish the tournament seeing as how it was dragged on for like a month, why was there no possibility for any team to reschedule if both teams agree?
I could even understand if they didnt want the tournament to be delayed, but not being allowed to reschedule to an earlier date when it doesnt affect production/casting and both teams agree doesnt make any sense.
I dont blame razer whatsoever for any of the issues weve had during the tourney. Dilusive and razer as a whole has been amazing in aiding competitive tf2.
Ma3laaChatlog to Ninjanick and something I also said to showstopper.
10:10 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: You can post if you want
10:10 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: But saying he has bias for froyo is stupid
10:10 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: because I made the call
10:10 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: not him
10:11 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: If he was actually biased for froyo he wouldve done what I told him on his own much earlier than an hour past match times
I said to both you and showstopper that you shouldn't post this, with what you said about tsc being completely untrue. The razer admins didn't really make any decision about what was going on, and after 1 hour of your team and froyo going back and forth with each other about the issue without resolving it, I had to make a decision to end it. At this point you posted this to call out tsc specifically for something you knew he was not a direct cause of.
EDIT: This is not to say the tournament overall did not have any problems, it certainly could've been shorter overall, better scheduled, etc. These problems will be fixed in the future.
Alright so this is also ma3las fault then. The point is that the wrong decision was made and I will continue to argue that point. Tsc was the person that we were in direct contact with throughout the tournament so the blame was put on him.
This is also not the first time weve had issues with tsc. We wanted to reschedule an earlier match against mangoes that was not being casted to an earlier date so that it would not delay the tournament. Mangoes agreed and we even had razer staff agree to be available if any issues arised and the only one who had an issue with it was tsc from our POV who forced us to play it on the later default time with 3 ringers. This tournament had SEVERAL issues but the only person we were in direct contact with during the entire tournament is tsc.
Then theres the issue of you making decisions for a tournament that you're involved in. Tri is an esea admin and because of this hes not allowed to play in invite. HOLY SHIT I could go on for days about how poorly this was run. If we could go back and do it over again we simply would not have played. Its not worth the problems. Hence why weve decided to not play in a tournament that tsc is in charge of again since hes incapable of making correct decisions.
Bias or no bias. This was a shitshow.
EDIT: grammar/spelling
We'd like to point out a few issues that we had with this tournament so that they're prevented from future events.
Firstly, if you're going to host a tournament, please use rules from an existing league such as ESEA. Carter was literally unhittable in tonights match and while he claimed it wasnt on purpose, from everyone elses eyes on the server it looked as if he was clearly rate hacking. Carter has also already stated that it is playable on his end and that "it looks much worse than it actually is". We requested they get a sub immediately if he couldnt fix the issue as we already had to deal with this in the upper bracket and refused to play against it. ESEA has rules against rate hacking and they would have been forced to get a sub if this was played in their league.
Second, the admin that we had to complain to about these issues was tsc, a b4nny stream viewer/sub/ and moderator, who was clearly catering to froyotech when we brought up the issue. Froyo was not forced to use a sub and we were forced to start the match due to a forfeit timer on the server. Carter then proceeded to get a 4k on the first mid while being unhittable and top damaged the server for scouts.
I'm making this post not just to bring up the issues with this tournament but to also please a couple of my teammates who were upset that we simply gave up when a single admin (tsc) wouldn't deal with this issue properly.
TSU is refusing to play in any tournament that tsc is even remotely involved in from now on.
Also good luck to ascent if they decide to deal with this bullshit.
EDIT: My wording is poor, I'd like to point out that we don't think carter was intentionally rate hacking but he had the same effects as if he was rate hacking and it is clearly an advantage for froyo when one of their players is unhittable. They should have been forced to use a sub when his attempt at fixing the issue didn't work. I'm not upset with any players on froyotech this post was intended to show our issues with how the tournament was run.
aim-Another thing, god forbid if anyone who isn't goldfish tell you something is wrong, like yeah we know goldfish has 1 season of invite on top of us, but other people's views are important to and if you just toss it off to the side, that doesn't really improve any relationships at all.
No no no nurseys got it right here. Take it from alec, nobody listens to alec xD
Jk Jk team game yada yada
Also can confirm answer to "why are your ubers bad" has always been "I dunno man"
Damn 4way tie for 3rd and the IM team cracks first under the pressure. Have fun e-fucking I guess \_(ツ)_/¯
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Play with bots and just work on last hitting perfectly without runes/masteries and you'll be better than anyone you're matched up against in gold/plat just because most people at that elo don't farm well consistently. Haven't played seriously in about a year but that was enough to get me into Plat when I first started ranked. Hope it helps