its a joke dude

what rule? a rule against rate hacking (which ash isn't doing) or a rule against having to play against laggy players (which no league has)?

yes they do read the rules of the leagues you play in

my b fam

rules aside since obviously they weren't that strict for this thing

i thought ash and tsu were boys? i know u niggas hopefully arent buggin that much over this tournament so why didn't ash just bounce from the match until his internet was cool and froyo could have just got a sub?

from the Fall Classic ruleset

I don't know enough about the situation one way or the other, but ambiguous language like that can easily be taken to mean behaviour just like this. I am not saying Ash cheated, and to be really honest, it doesn't really matter much for the purposes of this discussion. We cannot pretend that tsc couldn't have done something. Ambiguous language in rules exists solely for the purpose of league admins being able to make judgement calls about situations and what to do in them,

ESEA for instance, has this:

Which is much better written, but if an admin were willing to take a stand and say that playing in the state that Ash did is a violation of the spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship, there is an enforceable clause in the rules. It does not take a leap of faith to suggest that playing in that state represented a material challenge to the natural flow of a respectable match.

Again, I do not know exactly what behaviour was done or what reasoning TSC had for his decision or if his privileged position with froyo did or did not affect his judgement. It is all completely immaterial. We cannot let tournament admins or community members get away with "oh well there were no rules against x" when clearly there was something an admin could make an actionable decision on.

Well I redact my statement then in light of new evidence.

somewhere, medred is smiling

why?

even in esea I think it's really naive to expect anything to keep ash from playing, since the burden of proof is on you to show he's ratehacking and not just having bad internet

good luck actually proving that

This is the part that explicitly states that it is acceptable for them to contest ash playing. They have a day to make their case, and it would be replayed or overturned depending on how TSC wants to handle it. (really though, idk how you'd even do it at this point, that's at least 1 match that would need replayed no matter what.) So, i guess if they want to consistently harass brooky and tsc for the next day individually with their disputes, they could.

Because of how vague the wording is, proving he hacked is only necessary to go beyond tomorrow.

it wouldn't matter if he was or not. they banned stevec for taunt sliding lmao i'm sure being some unhittable warping entity wouldn't fly

i have trusted sources telling me tsu had blaze ddos'ed during the GF

even though taunt sliding is much more harmless, it's a lot easier to definitively prove someone is doing it than rate hacking

cus hes a fuckin weiner that got mad at ash for some insignificant shit

it's not that anyone thinks he was actually ratehacking, dudes. it's that he was running around basically unhittable and froyo didn't (couldn't? wouldn't?) get a sub for him.

Everyone who has played this game for more than a season or two knows how infuriating it is to play against warping opponents and for the admins to be unable or unwilling to force a sub is pretty silly imo.

Chatlog to Ninjanick and something I also said to showstopper.

10:10 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: You can post if you want
10:10 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: But saying he has bias for froyo is stupid
10:10 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: because I made the call
10:10 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: not him
10:11 PM - Ascent Ma3laa: If he was actually biased for froyo he wouldve done what I told him on his own much earlier than an hour past match times

I said to both you and showstopper that you shouldn't post this, with what you said about tsc being completely untrue. The razer admins didn't really make any decision about what was going on, and after 1 hour of your team and froyo going back and forth with each other about the issue without resolving it, I had to make a decision to end it. At this point you posted this to call out tsc specifically for something you knew he was not a direct cause of.

EDIT: This is not to say the tournament overall did not have any problems, it certainly could've been shorter overall, better scheduled, etc. These problems will be fixed in the future.

I fucking hate online TF2

Alright so this is also ma3las fault then. The point is that the wrong decision was made and I will continue to argue that point. Tsc was the person that we were in direct contact with throughout the tournament so the blame was put on him.

This is also not the first time weve had issues with tsc. We wanted to reschedule an earlier match against mangoes that was not being casted to an earlier date so that it would not delay the tournament. Mangoes agreed and we even had razer staff agree to be available if any issues arised and the only one who had an issue with it was tsc from our POV who forced us to play it on the later default time with 3 ringers. This tournament had SEVERAL issues but the only person we were in direct contact with during the entire tournament is tsc.

Then theres the issue of you making decisions for a tournament that you're involved in. Tri is an esea admin and because of this hes not allowed to play in invite. HOLY SHIT I could go on for days about how poorly this was run. If we could go back and do it over again we simply would not have played. Its not worth the problems. Hence why weve decided to not play in a tournament that tsc is in charge of again since hes incapable of making correct decisions.

Bias or no bias. This was a shitshow.

EDIT: grammar/spelling

Hey guys protip if you want Razer to support you offer legitimate criticism (as you're doing) but don't say they run a shitshow. That's just antagonistic.

to add on to nick's post, why was LB semi-final and UB final scheduled on saturday at 5pm pst and UB final and grand final on sunday? Why not just move them to sunday and monday which are more regularly scheduled days people can actually show up to? It didn't seem like there was a rush to finish the tournament seeing as how it was dragged on for like a month, why was there no possibility for any team to reschedule if both teams agree?

I dont blame razer whatsoever for any of the issues weve had during the tourney. Dilusive and razer as a whole has been amazing in aiding competitive tf2.

I could even understand if they didnt want the tournament to be delayed, but not being allowed to reschedule to an earlier date when it doesnt affect production/casting and both teams agree doesnt make any sense.

I've not once said that the right decision was necessarily made, but a decision at that point had to be made.

If you had a real issue with tsc then why post about something I told you was completely false?

As I've explained to you already I'm not an admin for razer or do anything involving razer besides making sure the games are casted. In this one standalone case I came in and had to make a decision because no one else was.

So you're saying that because the person running the tournament wasn't making a decision (which is already wtf status), you think that it's okay for a person that is competing in the tournament to make an administrative decision that affects the outcome of the tournament?

2:18 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: i get you're mad but did you even read what ive said to you on steam or posted
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: as ive said several times, ive had no part in this tournament except playing until then
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: because no one else was making a decision so I had to
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: ive had no part in anything else
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: so you're wrong about that
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: and again
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: why would you post something that ive let you know is completely false
2:19 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: rather than something you put in the post of a response to me with a problem you had with tsc that actually happened
2:31 AM - TSU ninjanick: My only fault is including the fact that this guy is a b4nny mod. It doesn't change the fact that he's a terrible admin. And you making a decision only one time doesn't mean you shouldn't have been the one making that decision. Is tsc like the only guy who's available to be a tftv admin? Pick better admins or we won't play. That's the point of the post.
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: Alright so you wont be in the next event
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: and thats not like a
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: weird threat thing
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: i mean
2:32 AM - Ascent Ma3laa: you dont have to play lol
2:32 AM - TSU ninjanick: Yeah lol
2:33 AM - TSU ninjanick: Our entire team is heated because of our experience with this guy
2:33 AM - TSU ninjanick: It's not like I'm making my team not play

Posting this so it doesnt look like im just not responding to ma3la's post

can we just go ahead and blame this on ash and everyone can move on?

who deleted this ROFL

ITS BACK YAY !

fr*ck mana