I like this Darknecrid. Want to talk privately on steam sometime? I want to pick your brain a bit.

I'm not looking to troll the main thing is and I've repeatedly stated it is don't wait or hope valve is going to do anything. I think it is absolutely possible for the community to spearhead tf2 in a better direction. If I could get my fucking computer to work I'd post my old draft just for information sake.

Nope. Esea has reluctantly supported the game for a very long time and gotten very little appreciation. A lot of other leagues.... XPL, TGL, cevo and others have tried and failed to garner any support at all from the community. That isn't valves fault that is ours period.

Is that supposed to be an argument? Congratulations you figured out I don't play anymore, I'd probably still beat most demos to mid every round but whatever... If I had time to play I would be playing, I really miss my team that played with years ago.

Here's what I'm seeing and you can tell me if I'm right of wrong:

The state of the game has greatly deteriorated since the time I played which was actually few years ago. Not 6 months. This is at all levels open /im/invite. The metagame is really boring and getting worse. Registration is low and getting worse. Motivation is extremely low.... All I'm seeing is people blaming valve for non-valve problems. What I'm saying is if you want conditions to improve you're going to have to stop wasting your time blaming valve and come up with a real plan to get this game moving in another direction. I think it is possible to do and I'm making some suggestions but you guys are so stuck on blaming valve that you can't open your mind up to any other ideas.

Pub I disagree with you the timing was very unique, you don't really about the discussions that took place in the background. But the main problem initially was the price was too low, and what tilted it over the edge for me ( and withdrew my money) was when they publicly stated that didn't want to compete with esea. If we had the right plan I was ready to put in up to 10k into the prize pot. Incrementally dependant on registration, which under the plan I had at the time would have become cash flow positive the by the next season. Their plan did not meet the threshold required to that and for me that just it was doomed to fail. They did a lot better than I thought they would even hosting a lan which was great... but I know for sure without a doubt it could have gone much differently.

We've raised 10s of thousands of dollars over the years just to send people to lan. This is a small fraction of what the community is capable of and if it was structured correctly it wouldn't be an instant loss. But that's what we do we just burn it all, immediately because we have a very short term concept of money. We want a profitable prosperous league and we want it to be not for profit and it is dumb. This hypocrisy is ultimately why tf2 never got much attention.

Valve is a business not a charity. We can go ahead play the victim card and blame Valve for all our problems and never get anything done or come up with our solution. I honestly think it's lost cause at this point because of how everybody wants cash handouts in a game.

There is a lot of money in the game. Especially if we did pay to play highlander, and other things that would go to a long term growth. But we are not smart we are stupid if we get any money we spend it all instantly and never have anything to show for it. Why we think that would change because of valve is silly.

For me I just don't give a fuck about valve at all they are weak and ineffective and they don't know what they are doing with this game anymore... That can be traced back to when they gave the Pyro airblast and the spy the DR.. They can go make HL3 or something. We don't need them. We could do our own thing through syndication, especially considering the amount of "equity" we can attain if you look at the donations have been raised over the years.

We had a great opportunity with cevo to go big, I was involved with it early on but we disagreed on prices I put on a counter proposal and they didn't climb up at all so I wished them good luck but had to opt out because I knew at that point it was probably going to fail.

I think it's extremely easy to blame Valve for everything but for me there's a lot of other reasons the game hasn't really taken off. I think the financial structure of competitive tf2 is extremely inefficient. There's a lot of really talented people in the community who contribute immense amounts of time and get absolutely nothing for it. I also think the pay to play leagues.... Aside from esea their price points just don't make any sense. Nothing is free, if it's free somebody else is taking huge hit.

People act on incentive, and there is zero incentive for tf2. Both for Valve and longtime community contributers.

Just don't make any changes because every single pyro update dumb shit happens.

It does a lot more than you would think. When I played the most annoying thing ever were teammates that were like " oh so and so are on this team we can't win wah wah wah". Fuck em put a rocket up their ass. Shoot them in the face whatever, they're not that good. You'll never win thinking you already lost...

The other big reason is communist way that this community is run with donations free leagues ect.... The only league that has mattered is esea ( and there has been many leagues...) and it's the only do anything because you have to pay subscription and league fees eCT. All the community run leagues no matter how good the intentions were failed because they didn't charge enough money.

The amountof money raised donations is very high over the years especially but the problem is it's a short term thing and then it's over. Until that money can be used for something longer term it's just not going to happen.

This is why the skill and level of competition in tf2 is weak and getting weaker, and why it will never be a hugely covered video game it's because you're a bunch of gutless cry babies... Get over it or at least use it as motivation to get better and go beat them.

Pretend that the terror attacks happening practically everyday aren't real and pretend that entire countries are not being overthrown by extremists religion you racist bigot.

The competition level is a lot lower than it used to be and this was before overwatch was a thing. I think that with valve starting out matchmaking is a much bigger step forward than any amount of leagues or tournaments.

If you're really really hungry.....