i want ya boys in invite

but why

yo good job knd

premium is still required

like im going to be playing in esea next season but im not going to get prem until the season starts

can someone just make a strawpoll

Well first off, smash is alot bigger and alot more popular than TF2 is.

Nintendo and Sakurai have never liked the fact that "competitive" smash brothers is a thing. For the longest while, particularly after brawl's release, Melee dying, similarly to how alot of people see TF2 right now, but it managed to hang in then cause there were still a good number of people that wanted to keep playing.

Melee started getting popular again with the rise of tournaments such as RoM (Revival of Melee) and people dropping brawl and picking melee back up. At this point Nintendo still doesn't really care about the competitive scene or supporting it. So for the longest time, the Melee scene, just like TF2, is pretty much supporting itself (ignoring some of the old MLG events that melee was at).

So now we're up to the beginning of 2013 and Evo is wanting to pick up another game for their summer line up, and the way that they felt they could see people show their support for which game (as there were multiple nominees) was to see who could donate the most for whichever cancer foundation was picked at the time. So Melee players managed to donate something like over 100K and barely beat out Skullgirls and was put back into the Evo lineup for the first time since 2007. Oh, I also forgot to mention that Nintendo threatened to prevent the streaming of Melee at Evo but thankfully we were able to persuade them to let us stream it.

Evo 2013 was a big success in terms of exposure (something like 100K+ people watched), same with Apex 2014. Lots and lots of exposure is a big thing. Exposure plus the fact that around this time alot of the top level players are getting sponsored by actually esports organizations (EG, Cloud 9, Curse, etc). TF2 seemingly does not have either of these things in really any form, we get low twitch stream viewers on both events and invite level player streams and not really anyone except for a couple of teams are sponsored in any big way.

You mentioned the "For Glory" mode that is in the new smash game. Yes, it is a gesture to the competitive players of the game. However, the way that it is implemented does not seem to show that Nintendo particularly cares about competitive as the only stage is Final Destination, and while yes, there are no items on, the fact the this is the ONLY stage that can be played really makes it pointless. And even with this "For Glory" mode, Nintendo still isn't super thrilled about competitive smash in general. They are starting to warm up to it more and more but its still in the works.

With this said, and considering that Valve also has Dota 2 and CSGO as their other "real" competitive platforms (remember Nintendo really only has smash bros unless you count Melee/Brawl/PM/Smash 4 as all separate things which is fair to a degree), its hard to imagine that TF2 will be able to break the mold in the same way that Melee did. It just doesn't have the viewership or the support and interest of people willing to put money into players and teams.

If people really want TF2 to be able to get that second wind that Melee did, we're gonna have to spread further than just pubs and newbie mixes. You guys want even the remote possibility of Valve giving a shit about TF2? Well you need to do something explosive on sites like Reddit, something that gives the internet and people like that a cause to fight for, to fight for us. Something that stirs up major interest points of the internet that says "Hey, it's not just those people on tftv that want and support these things". TF2 has to be the talk of the internet if you want Valve's support on this one.

no gpit
warmfront instead of gran

helped me alot with my own demo play when I played highlander and when he was our medic in 6s. He has really good pipe aim and a good understanding of things like gameflow and positioning.

If you need a demo for a team that is at least mid open then row is a pretty good pick up. His attitude has changed for the better, and while this isn't a bad thing, his nature is to be talkative and make calls and plays and stuff so be aware that if you already have a main caller there might be a butting of heads because of row's type A personality.

if ya boys played in esea invite i would be sooo happy

where are the weapons

I really do hope alot of the new teams sign up for at least ESEA or both ESEA and CEVO. I don't know what all has changed in the runnings of CEVO but coming from playing in the last 2 seasons of CEVO it doesn't seem like its worth it unless you are a team full of newer players who still don't think they would be able to put up a fight in ESEA open, which I suppose does have some merit to it.

I say this because at this point I'd rather see one league with 50+ open teams than both leagues struggling to make 30, which I know didn't happen this season but alot of teams in open died (die in general) throughout the season. With that considered S5 of cevo finished with 16 open teams and S17 ESEA finished with like 30 or so. I mean I know that competition is good in terms of how well the service the league provides and stuff like that but its also kinda hurting actual team competition if things continue to be how they are.

I so wanted CEVO to have become the new league that all the top level players played in and cared about but its really seeming like CEVO is just turning into "UGC plus". Me and my team didn't even play in esea in s16 because we decided to hop on the CEVO hype train and I mean at the time it was alright (S4 was alot more competitive overall than S5 imo) but now it seems like alot of people are now super hesitant to take CEVO seriously because they know all the competition is in ESEA and will probably be in ESEA. ESEA may have problems but at least you know what you're gonna get when you play in it and they do have a higher standard than CEVO does based on things like better inherent competition and a 'better' client (yeah i know it has issues and ive had those issues personally but so does paladin and Ive played matches where people on both teams didnt even have the client running).

And maybe I am wrong and CEVO is going to really impress us this season but its since been 2 seasons since the 'revival' of cevo tf2 and I find it hard to believe that even if they do put alot into its gonna take a while for them to get back (or anywhere close) at that explosive level of sign ups (100+?) they had back at the beginning of S4.

and sorry if this thread wasnt the best place to type this in and I know alot of what Ive said has already been discussed alot before but I really just want one league (particularly ESEA) to be really strong with their number of teams instead of dividing them among two and I'd hope that any new teams that may read this will consider what I've said when they decide which league to play in.

tl;dr new teams should consider ESEA over CEVO

this team with just crafty and ranga probably are good enough to make playoffs, i dont know much about plobs or seek but at least the scout duo will be good

if you do play for this team though you have to convince grant to change his name back to crafty because crafty is so much better

im probably playing and my name doesnt have capitals in it god damn it

if you like memes then you'll love cookie jake

nah hes a cool guy and good at healing people, and he pugs alot so he probably has a good amount of game sense and main calling wouldn't be a huge challenge for him

yeah but for real he's a meme master so watch out for that

Got the orange box back in like 2008 for the xbox, got tf2 for the pc in 2010

started comp around december 2012/jan 2013

He'd be a good pickup for a mid open team