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#531 TF2 benchmarks in TF2 General Discussion

Ok so the 3000 benchmarks were before you got it to 3200. What were the timings? Just to complete the list.

Which site is the demo on now? The zippyshare and mega links are broken again.

Passmark isn't all that accurate, but yes, memory speed and timings matter a lot. The impact increases with higher core clockrates. From the limited testing I've done it seems to be that the timings are more important than speed. E.g. 1333 CL7 (10.5ns) gives you almost have the increase in fps over 1333 CL9 (13.5ns) that 2400 CL12 (10ns) gets you. In other words 25% lower timings should be roughly equivalent to doubling the frequency at the same latency.

posted about 6 years ago
#526 TF2 benchmarks in TF2 General Discussion

I'm still confused on the 3000 vs 3200 MHz part. Are those typos?

So you're not really simulating IVB (or SB as you've now mentioned) or HSW, just lower single threaded performance in general.
Keep in mind that SB/IVB/HSW all don't have 6 cores on LGA115x. There's 6/8 cores (and even 4) on LGA2011, but that's with Quad Channel and 2.5 MB L3 per core so it's still a bit different.
Sadly DDR4 is quite a bit different from DDR3 so you can't truly simulate it and no one got a DDR3 mobo for Skylake so those timings are as close as you can get.
Ignoring all the internal changes on the caches and the different L2 from SKL onward it would be nice to test L3 impact someday. I never got around to doing it and an i7-4790K at the same clockrate as the Pentium G3258 with the same memory speed/timings got similar enough results that I didn't bother at the time but it could be done via CAT.
Just to see if there'd be a difference between i3/i5/i9 now. Before it the Pentium G3258 wasn't going to be able to compete with an i5/i7 purely based on threads, but overclockable 4C/4T i3 vs 8C/16T i9 would be interesting to see if 8 vs 16 MB L3 makes any difference at all.

The demo isn't sketchy, it's just broken like all old demos.

posted about 6 years ago
#524 TF2 benchmarks in TF2 General Discussion

#522
How would the 3 GHz test simulate IVB/HSW and DDR3?
What timings did you use?

Steiner_R16 gb 3200mhz 15 16 16 32 timing (2800 mhz rated) dual channel ddr4Steiner_RI would low to see how even faster memory can effect fps but i can only overclock mine to 3000.

This doesn't add up.

The rest seems more or less in line with the behaviour I saw years ago, so I guess my advice is still valid, which is good to know.

posted about 6 years ago
#6 Network optimization options for mah room in Hardware

Shitty unshielded Cat5e cable, which is probably the cheapest you can even buy these days is rated for 1000 Mbit/s over 100m.
Your router probably doesn't even support anything faster than 1000 MBit/s. 10 Gbit/s is neither useful nor cheap enough to add to a router that can't handle anything faster than a 1 GBit/s internet connection anyway.

As for Wi-Fi:
802.11ax isn't really a thing yet, 802.11ad doesn't work through walls so the only standard that could even theoretically be faster is 802.11ac. If your router doesn't support that the choice is obvious. Even if it does the advertised speeds do not factor in walls so it's still a gamble and latency will be worse either way.
As CondoM mentioned 5 GHz WiFi is really bad at going through walls, but 2.4 GHz can't even theoretically reach 1 Gbit/s so 5 GHz is your only choice (60 GHz doesn't go through walls at all). However you will lose speed. "Old" ac Wi-Fi routers (pre 2016) have a theoretical maximum of 1.3 Gbit/s and through a wall you'll get maybe 50-70% of that so that's slower. "New" ac routers with a 2.34 Gbit/s maximum could theoretically be faster than 1 Gbit/s through a wall, but your router needs to support that, the second router needs to support that and will be correspondingly expensive and the latency is still worse and your internet is guaranteed to be slower than 1 Gbit/s so you gain nothing at all.

tl;dr
Ethernet doesn't have falloff, Wi-Fi does.
A random ethernet cable from a garbage dump will be faster than Wi-Fi and your internet connection.

posted about 6 years ago
#3106 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Sufficient for what?
I mean the 240 Hz monitor will work.

posted about 6 years ago
#3104 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Well that wasn't what you asked.
Depends on the program. Rendering/video editing is usually multi-threaded. Similar clockrate and more cores win, which would be the 9700K or 9900K. CAD depends on the program.
Either way better single threaded performance would be whichever gets the highest overclock.

posted about 6 years ago
#4 PC Upgrade in Hardware

To be fair it's like 7/10.
Didn't need its own thread.
No budget.
Just the bare minimum of specs, mobo, RAM configuration and timings missing.

But the goal is fairly clear.

posted about 6 years ago
#3102 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3102
Just in case anyone is wondering, the situation is a bit more complex so we're discussing milkcrate and zip tie upgrades via Steam.

#3103
Neither.
Overclocked 9700K or 9600K.
Or buy a 9900K and disable Hyperthreading if your goal is to spend as much money as possible.

posted about 6 years ago
#3099 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3099
Keep in mind that it's just a rough outline. Case/SSD/HDD should be changed according to taste/needs and there's lots of interchangeable options for mobo/RAM/PSU so the choice depends on whatever is in stock and cheapest.

#3100
The jury is still out on 9600K vs 8600K. The 9600K is soldered but the die is so thick that it's not actually cooler while delidding became much more difficult and to get the full benefit you need to sand down the die.
Until we get statistics that it actually overclocks better than the 8600K I'd assume the worst.

You're willing to spend more on the cooler than on the mobo? Either way Aios are really not that impressive.
http://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#557
And no, nothing has changed since that rant.
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8174/fractal-design-celsius-s36-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
https://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/8/1/8174_33_fractal-design-celsius-s36-liquid-cpu-cooler-review.png
https://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/8/1/8174_37_fractal-design-celsius-s36-liquid-cpu-cooler-review.png
Yes, that's just 4 cores (with HT though), but it doesn't change the fact that the Aios are getting their asses handed to them by Le Grand Macho RT, a fucking single tower single fan 60€ cooler.
Basically no reviews include Air coolers in the Aio reviews because it always makes the Aios look laughably bad, struggling against coolers that cost half or less at thrice the noise level.
Even going to 6/8 cores doesn't change much, while the single fan Grand Macho might drop off adding a second is cheap and this is the point where the dual towers like the NH-D15, R1, TC14PE and so on start beating the single towers like the NH-U14S because before that the second tower didn't even make a difference. It wasn't even necessary.

So either get a good air cooler or go straight to semi-custom prepackaged sets for proper watercooling instead of spending 40$ more than for an air cooler just because you can't live without being able to see your RAM from all angles.

The cheapest mobo might do everything you need it to do, except overclock. The lowest end uncooled/unheatsinked 4 phase VRMs will not get you to 5 GHz, let alone 5.2 GHz. You need a good CPU to get past 5 GHz, which is luck of the draw, but you need at least decent VRMs to even get to 5 GHz and there's no luck involved in VRMs.

When did you look up the RAM? For that price you should get higher frequency and/or better timings.

There are multiple options along the line of price/performance tradeoff, but we can leave the SSD be for now.

The PSU makes sense and there's nothing wrong with it, it's technically flawless, it's just not any cheaper than all the better options. EVGA G2, Corsair RMx v1 and Seasonic Focus Gold are simply better. G3, RMx v2 and Focus Plus Gold are much better. And none of those cost more than 80$ either. The G2 actually costs the same and the G3 right now costs less than the G1+. Until EVGA sorts out their MSRP the G1+ is basically pointless.

Sound cards are complicated. Depending on your headphones/speakers I'm not sure it's worth spending that much.

What's your current CPU? Removing the game load from the CPU only does so much, so I'm not sure you'll be able to stream at "significantly higher quality".

posted about 6 years ago
#3 invalid ip configuration/cant communicate with dns in Q/A Help

You could also check your current IP configuration and then check it when it's broken. Compare them and figure out what changed.

Also if your HDD is slowing down massively it could be either fragmentation or the HDD dying. So it's either easily fixable or close to screwing you over if you don't have backups. You might want to look into that.

posted about 6 years ago
#4 Do I need to upgrade PC? in Hardware

Keep in mind that everyone is losing a few fps in OW and TF2 with every update.
The 144 Hz monitor probably doesn't help. So little bit of column A, little bit of column B.

The CPU isn't bad, but there are better ones. If you do indeed have a Z97 mobo you have the option of overclocking, but even without that a 4790K could get you ~30% more fps in TF2. So if it's a Z mobo look for a used 4670K, 4690K, 4770K or 4790K, get an ok-ish cooler (~30£, used is fine as well, maybe as a bundle) and simply getting ~4.4 GHz, would get you those 30% and solve your problem in TF2.

Overwatch is a bit more complicated. Depends on the exact settings and resolution, but it could be your CPU or your GPU or both. Get a new CPU first, see if that fixes it, if not you can try overclocking the GPU a bit, using lower render scale/resolution or even lower settings or get a new GPU.

posted about 6 years ago
#3095 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3093
Not quite what I meant and doesn't answer the rest of the question, but here's a rough outline for now.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/JKTN9J
9900K or 9700K if the are actually available at a somewhat reasonable price by the time you order.

#3094
Basically what #3096 said. Pretty much anything will be better than the FX-8350, that's why it's so cheap. If you're going to buy a new mobo anyway you can get a better CPU.
If you want to reuse the RAM you're limited to 4+ years old CPUs anyway, so your best bet is getting a used CPU + mobo. i5 or i7 preferably, but even an i3 with decent clockrate would be an upgrade. Ideally Hawell (4xxx) if you can find a combo that's within your budget. Shouldn't be terribly difficult.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H81-Gigabyte-Motherboard-Bundle-Intel-i5-4460-3-4GHz-Quad-Core/223206232278?hash=item33f820d0d6:g:TKMAAOSwZhtb1E3i:rk:21:pf:0
Higher clocks would be preferable, if you're lucky you can get an i7, but the clockrate is more important.

posted about 6 years ago
#3090 PC Build Thread in Hardware

I'll use Germany then, not going to convert to a worthless weight based currency made of lies.

To confirm in case something else changed:
-WoW and Monster Hunter: World at medium/high 1080p and streaming at ~100fps
-1600€
-no peripherals
-overclocking maybe

Anything special regarding size, case, storage or anything else?

posted about 6 years ago
#3088 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Not sure how that'll work out in € or even krona, but it's ok.
Whatever mobo you go with check the QVL for RAM, especially the cheaper mobos can be a bit picky. Would be a shame if you bought 3000 MHz RAM and couldn't get it past 2666 MHz.

posted about 6 years ago
#12 Disappearing files in Customization

It seems like you've read neither my post nor the one you linked.
Microsoft stopped rolling out the update last week. That doesn't magically remove the update if you've already installed it.

posted about 6 years ago
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