What makes bagel better?

#1

Wild_Rumpus

0 Frags – +

in NA bagel is by now the most popular and well-liked koth, but what elements make it so good? Is it the fast cap allowing teams to convert a cap off of even minor advantages like damage and positioning? is it the fast spawns leading to a more aggressive sack-heavy style? is it the discrete separation into houses making spamming the point a more committed option for soldiers while also isolating fights?
or is it just that product and clearcut have more obvious flaws that bagel doesnt have?

#2

springrolls

22 Frags – +

sniper is cringe and its good on product but kinda not great on bagel

+ clearcut sucks

(bagel gameplay is also good on its own merits but better players could probably articulate why more succinctly)

sniper is cringe and its good on product but kinda not great on bagel

+ clearcut sucks

(bagel gameplay is also good on its own merits but better players could probably articulate why more succinctly)

#3

BaconBlitz

3 Frags – +

I think it's just a matter of the bar being SO LOW for koth maps that Bagel kind of outshines the others in the pool atm.

#4

dingo

5 Frags – +

clearcut gameplay became really clearcut. (fade, commit, go behind) bagel and via layout allow for more types of fights to happen, more engaging to play as a result

#5

mustardoverlord

2 Frags – +

I personally still think viaduct is the best one - bagel has the easiest point to retake so it's super chaotic and dm heavy, clearcut is the hardest to retake so it's very stalemate and spam heavy, and viaduct is in the sweet spot imo

I would have it via > bagel > clearcut

I personally still think viaduct is the best one - bagel has the easiest point to retake so it's super chaotic and dm heavy, clearcut is the hardest to retake so it's very stalemate and spam heavy, and viaduct is in the sweet spot imo

I would have it via > bagel > clearcut

#6

Reero

6 Frags – +

fighting in the houses is fun. u can flank thru it, fight other ppl in there or help ur team on point all from one area of the map

#7

gorono

13 Frags – +

in the morning i normally cook a bagel with like egg, cheese, and some meat like chorizo or bacon and goddamn that shit slaps

#8

yttrium

2 Frags – +

cream cheese

#9

gianni

1 Frags – +

2 flanks are better than 1

#10

Duel_Clip

0 Frags – +

I like the dynamic of house control and the options you have as a flank player despite it being koth, and also med is incredibly fun on bagel

#11

Yrr

koth_bagel

25 Frags – +

theres just not many people out there approaching KotH design theory
it has a reputation as the mode for beginner mappers, and ppl have the idea that every koth map is just viaduct again, so once people get good at level design they tend to "graduate" from koth to other modes and when it comes to making competitive maps people are gonna gravitate to 5cp cause thats the more popular mode

uhh i mean its because im the best mapper

theres just not many people out there approaching KotH design theory
it has a reputation as the mode for beginner mappers, and ppl have the idea that every koth map is just viaduct again, so once people get good at level design they tend to "graduate" from koth to other modes and when it comes to making competitive maps people are gonna gravitate to 5cp cause thats the more popular mode

uhh i mean its because im the best mapper

#12

Taylor

12 Frags – +

the jump pad

#13

messiah

1 Frags – +

what if you removed the giant bridge on product?

#14

zebulon

2 Frags – +

this video really helped me understand why bagel is a good map
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBiGa2q4eFs