for those who think it's an alt, it is shooter. his steam id's match from steam to esea
Saint_for those who think it's an alt, it is shooter. his steam id's match from steam to esea
I am confirming that this is the real shooter
I am confirming that this is the real shooter
A good chunk of the IM teams may be dead too since quite a few are completely unpaid. It may be a struggle to get even 16 paid teams in IM.
my team is paying up but those numbers with 5 hours left is practically impossible.
drexeleydefyLAN has always been a thing for ESEA, the top seeds of invite get to go this has nothing to do with league fees
How do you think those expenses are paid? Magic?
Team fortress is nothing but a COST for ESEA. A cost that has required Counter Strike to make up for each season. Especially when it comes to paying for LANs.
EDIT: Hes an alt nvm
you're fucking retarded holy shit, ESEA had lan before tf2 was even in it and that was over 15 seasons ago, tf2 didn't make its lan debut till season 4 in ESEA. it's not like TF2 is hemorrhaging money from ESEA if that was the case they would of dropped the game a long time ago. the money in ESEA isn't solely depended on league fees and premium, believe it or not there are a handful of financial factors that come into play when running a company..crazy i know !
LAN has always been a thing for ESEA, the top seeds of invite get to go this has nothing to do with league fees[/quote]
How do you think those expenses are paid? Magic?
Team fortress is nothing but a COST for ESEA. A cost that has required Counter Strike to make up for each season. Especially when it comes to paying for LANs.
EDIT: Hes an alt nvm[/quote]
you're fucking retarded holy shit, ESEA had lan before tf2 was even in it and that was over 15 seasons ago, tf2 didn't make its lan debut till season 4 in ESEA. it's not like TF2 is hemorrhaging money from ESEA if that was the case they would of dropped the game a long time ago. the money in ESEA isn't solely depended on league fees and premium, believe it or not there are a handful of financial factors that come into play when running a company..crazy i know !
Is there any chance for an extension? My team is getting together to pay and all but I don't see any more teams getting signed up..
THE ONE SEASON THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXTENSION AND PEOPLE START ASKING FOR IT
killing you mastermind
killing you mastermind
defythe money in ESEA isn't solely depended on league fees and premium, believe it or not there are a handful of financial factors that come into play when running a company..crazy i know !
Where else is TF2 generating revenue for ESEA? It sure as hell isn't from sponsors
Where else is TF2 generating revenue for ESEA? It sure as hell isn't from sponsors
my team (justplay 6s) is alive and we will pay if extended but as of right now we cant get all 6 paid
this will be a good season of invite. the matches/lan will be sick. i'm open to mentor any open teams that pay up today yaoooo. ADD ME ON STEAM.
drexeleydefythe money in ESEA isn't solely depended on league fees and premium, believe it or not there are a handful of financial factors that come into play when running a company..crazy i know !
Where else is TF2 generating revenue for ESEA? It sure as hell isn't from sponsors
enigmasome rough calculations for this season, ignoring infrastructure costs(hosting, LAN, etc):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing
they dont
Where else is TF2 generating revenue for ESEA? It sure as hell isn't from sponsors[/quote]
[quote=enigma]
some rough calculations for this season, [i]ignoring[/i] infrastructure costs(hosting, LAN, etc):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing
[/quote]
they dont
Even a 1 week extension would help greatly Shooter. Please make it happen. Our main team will pay up asap.
maybe a miracle happen all we have to do is believe
ghettomaybe a miracle happen all we have to do is believe
We all believe :)
We all believe :)
JDMYoshiokaEven a 1 week extension would help greatly Shooter. Please make it happen. Our main team will pay up asap.
You think it would bring the number of teams to the goal?
You think it would bring the number of teams to the goal?
ESEA-ShooterJDMYoshiokaEven a 1 week extension would help greatly Shooter. Please make it happen. Our main team will pay up asap.You think it would bring the number of teams to the goal?
I know of at least one team that would pay up if they had a week to get a demo.
You think it would bring the number of teams to the goal?[/quote]
I know of at least one team that would pay up if they had a week to get a demo.
ESEA-ShooterJDMYoshiokaEven a 1 week extension would help greatly Shooter. Please make it happen. Our main team will pay up asap.You think it would bring the number of teams to the goal?
The strategy of telling players to pay up or lose the league has not worked.
There was already a week to join and pay up, and very few did. Mostly because people were very skeptical as to whether ESEA would exist.
The solution is simple:
Promise a season!
Tell the community that NEXT season's existence is contingent upon THIS season's participation
Cut the prize pot so you can afford it (people are not playing for the money!)
Keep the Lan
THEN Extend the deadline
After that, keep an OPEN dialogue with the community and work to regain their trust.
I'm not saying you don't deserve their trust, or that you are untrustworthy. I'm saying there is a segment of the community that does not trust you. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong; it simply is. Win it back.
That, in my opinion, is how ESEA survives.
You think it would bring the number of teams to the goal?[/quote]
The strategy of telling players to pay up or lose the league has not worked.
There was already a week to join and pay up, and very few did. Mostly because people were very skeptical as to whether ESEA would exist.
The solution is simple:
Promise a season!
Tell the community that NEXT season's existence is contingent upon THIS season's participation
Cut the prize pot so you can afford it (people are not playing for the money!)
Keep the Lan
THEN Extend the deadline
After that, keep an OPEN dialogue with the community and work to regain their trust.
I'm not saying you don't deserve their trust, or that you are untrustworthy. I'm saying there is a segment of the community that does not trust you. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong; it simply is. Win it back.
That, in my opinion, is how ESEA survives.
PsychotropicESEA-ShooterJDMYoshiokaEven a 1 week extension would help greatly Shooter. Please make it happen. Our main team will pay up asap.You think it would bring the number of teams to the goal?
The strategy of telling players to pay up or lose the league has not worked.
There was already a week to join and pay up, and very few did. Mostly because people were very skeptical as to whether ESEA would exist.
The solution is simple:
Promise a season!
Tell the community that NEXT season's existence is contingent upon THIS season's participation
Cut the prize pot so you can afford it (people are not playing for the money!)
Keep the Lan
THEN Extend the deadline
After that, keep an OPEN dialogue with the community and work to regain their trust.
I'm not saying you don't deserve their trust, or that you are untrustworthy. I'm saying there is a segment of the community that does not trust you. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong; it simply is. Win it back.
That, in my opinion, is how ESEA survives.
Can't promise a season when ESEA only has ~5 teams fully paid in total (see previous posts).
I outlined the # of teams for each division previously to have 4 divisions.
Why cutting the prize pot?
LAN will always happen as long as TF2 has an Invite division.
I'm always open to discussion, and can be reached on ESEA pretty quickly :)
You think it would bring the number of teams to the goal?[/quote]
The strategy of telling players to pay up or lose the league has not worked.
There was already a week to join and pay up, and very few did. Mostly because people were very skeptical as to whether ESEA would exist.
The solution is simple:
Promise a season!
Tell the community that NEXT season's existence is contingent upon THIS season's participation
Cut the prize pot so you can afford it (people are not playing for the money!)
Keep the Lan
THEN Extend the deadline
After that, keep an OPEN dialogue with the community and work to regain their trust.
I'm not saying you don't deserve their trust, or that you are untrustworthy. I'm saying there is a segment of the community that does not trust you. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong; it simply is. Win it back.
That, in my opinion, is how ESEA survives.[/quote]
Can't promise a season when ESEA only has ~5 teams fully paid in total (see previous posts).
I outlined the # of teams for each division previously to have 4 divisions.
Why cutting the prize pot?
LAN will always happen as long as TF2 has an Invite division.
I'm always open to discussion, and can be reached on ESEA pretty quickly :)
I think the cutting of the prize pot suggestion is so less teams would be needed to register than outlined? That's at least how I understood it.
I agree with keeping 4 divisions since this season would be really competitive, but if cutting a division or 2 would confirm a season I think most would be ok with it.
I agree with keeping 4 divisions since this season would be really competitive, but if cutting a division or 2 would confirm a season I think most would be ok with it.
ESEA-ShooterCan't promise a season when ESEA only has ~5 teams fully paid in total (see previous posts).
The reason you don't have teams paid is because you haven't promised a season. I understand that you have offered refunds, but the community has shown that it is hesitant to commit to less than a sure thing. So, if you want to keep TF2 in ESEA, you should promise a season. Now, I understand that this might not seem like a financially prudent decision with the way things are now, which is why...
ESEA-ShooterI outlined the # of teams for each division previously to have 4 divisions.
So cut the divisions! People are saying they're willing to compromise on division count, on prize pot, on everything BUT having a league. The people want a league. The people don't NEED an IM and a Main.
ESEA-ShooterWhy cutting the prize pot?
In order to make it affordable for your business! Nobody WANTS to cut the prize pot, but it's the (far) lesser of two evils. If given a choice between a season in ESEA with a lousy prize pot and no more seasons in ESEA, I think everyone in the community would agree that they'll take the smaller prize pot. This is a suggestion to help make it less detrimental to your business in order to keep the eSport. If you wanted, you could say something like "the prize pot for s16 of ESEA will be determined based on the number of participants." This way, you can hold a league whether or not you're shelling out so that you do not break the bank.
ESEA-ShooterLAN will always happen as long as TF2 has an Invite division.
Wonderful.
Can't promise a season when ESEA only has ~5 teams fully paid in total (see previous posts).[/quote]
The reason you don't have teams paid is because you haven't promised a season. I understand that you have offered refunds, but the community has shown that it is hesitant to commit to less than a sure thing. So, if you want to keep TF2 in ESEA, you should promise a season. Now, I understand that this might not seem like a financially prudent decision with the way things are now, which is why...
[quote=ESEA-Shooter]I outlined the # of teams for each division previously to have 4 divisions.[/quote]
So cut the divisions! People are saying they're willing to compromise on division count, on prize pot, on everything BUT having a league. The people want a league. The people don't NEED an IM and a Main.
[quote=ESEA-Shooter]Why cutting the prize pot?[/quote]
In order to make it affordable for your business! Nobody WANTS to cut the prize pot, but it's the (far) lesser of two evils. If given a choice between a season in ESEA with a lousy prize pot and no more seasons in ESEA, I think everyone in the community would agree that they'll take the smaller prize pot. This is a suggestion to help make it less detrimental to your business in order to keep the eSport. If you wanted, you could say something like "the prize pot for s16 of ESEA will be determined based on the number of participants." This way, you can hold a league whether or not you're shelling out so that you do not break the bank.
[quote=ESEA-Shooter]LAN will always happen as long as TF2 has an Invite division.[/quote]
Wonderful.
OH OH OH! I GOT IT
Let's level the playing field.
That was one of the things people in CEVO liked right?
No divisions. Just open.
Let's level the playing field.
That was one of the things people in CEVO liked right?
No divisions. Just open.
DrPloxoOH OH OH! I GOT IT
Let's level the playing field.
That was one of the things people in CEVO liked right?
No divisions. Just open.
Technically, that would steepen the playing field.
Let's level the playing field.
That was one of the things people in CEVO liked right?
No divisions. Just open.[/quote]
Technically, that would steepen the playing field.
ESEA really wants to have 4 divisions, it's the best format, most balanced as well. Teams worked really hard to have an established format of different skills, let's try to make it happen!
Don't forget about the Open promotion Killing posted about. 2 X 3 months, and 2 X 1 month of Premium for each Open teams!
Don't forget about the Open promotion Killing posted about. 2 X 3 months, and 2 X 1 month of Premium for each Open teams!