First, apologies for the long wall of text - copy pasted from a post elsewhere (where I've had no response) so thought I'd try my luck back here <3

With Black Friday/Christmas coming up, looking to rebuild this thing and just need to get a better idea of how overkill I need to go to get what I want out of it long-term. Ideally I don't want to have to upgrade any components for another 3 or so years.

Primary thing I'll be using the PC for will be gaming and heavy browsing. Currently run 3 monitors. I would want the PC to happily run at 144fps 1080p on max settings in pretty much any game that is out now. Note that a primary objective would be to handle something like Cyberpunk at near-max (if not max) settings. I would be interested in getting a VR headset later on down the line but am quite confident this will be possible with the spec I'm looking at - just mentioning in case there should be something else I need to take into account...

Now, keep in mind I already have a full size tower with ample cooling (CM Storm Stryker). I also have a PSU - this is a Corsair HX750 (from when I initially built), storage (although I do need an additional 1tb SSD) and CPU Cooler from my current setup.

Based in the UK, budget is around ~1.5k GBP (can go over if necessary)

Right now I can't figure out how far I need to go with the build, given the longevity I would want (at least 2-3 years of gaming at max-near max). I've listed a couple questions below which will need to be taken into account as they will naturally affect the budget

- Can I make use of my current Corsair HX750 PSU, or would it be suggested to invest in a new one (given possibility of degradation)? Also, would the 750W be enough for the below build?

- Can I make use of my current CPU cooler or is the whole "AIO cooler" thing something worth considering? (Again, circa 7 years old but have never had a single issue with temps and fans still going strong)

Currently looking at getting the following - links are primarily for the rough pricing of the items as I've budgeted:

- i7 9700k (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-BX80684I79700K-CORE-I7-9700K-RETAIL/dp/B07JJ8CSNZ)
- RTX 2080 (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-rtx-2080-gamerock-rgb-8192mb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-04e-pl.html)
- 32GB @ 3200MHz (4x8GB) (https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07D5SN1ZK)
- 1TB NVMe for boot and primary games/applications (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT1000P1SSD8-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B07J2Q4SWZ)
- Mobo Unknown - I've set aside remaining 250GBP odd for this, please suggest possible options

What would you guys recommend? Would that keep me going and for how long? If need be, wouldn't necessarily mind upgrading just the GPU later down the line (say in 2 years time, thus getting something perhaps a little cheaper now), but not much else beyond that. Again, my pricing is based on the ability to keep parts of my current build.

Just need a rough idea on what to keep my eyes peeled for during the holiday season in terms of deals....

Well first of all: Overclocking yes or no?

Secondly, 144 fps at 1080p max settings in any game really isn't going to happen. In some sure. Near-max in a few. But a stock RTX 2080 doesn't quite get 144 average in Witcher 3 and that's a game from 2015. Aftermarket or 2080 Super sure, but just moving on to a 2016 game, Deus Ex: Mankind divided, even a 2080 Ti can't save you anymore. Of course on the other hand something like Wolfenstein II will happily run at 250/300 fps even though it is even more recent. So it really depends on the game. And how much you're willing to drop down from max settings. I doubt Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be any easier to run than Witcher 3, but at high, not max? Might be doable.
You could also look into G-Sync/FreeSync. Barely getting 150 avg and dropping to 120 frequently isn't going to look great. With variable refresh rate you don't care that much if it fluctuates between 100 and 144 with an average of 120 or between 130 and 144 with 140 average.

Case and PSU should be fine. Which CPU cooler exactly?

No, the "AIO cooler" thing should never be something worth considering. https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#556

Could do better on the RAM and SSD, but that's fine tuning best left for later.

Again, sorry for the long response. Your help is much appreciated <3

- Overclocking - probably not (at least not right off the bat), but if necessary I will. I know the CPU I mentioned is the K, but assuming I won't be overclocking, what would be the best thing for a similar price point? Just felt given the price variation vs the standard wasn't too bad so if it came to it, I would at least have the option to overclock.

- With regards to G-Sync, I would ideally not want to buy another monitor (and think I would rather spend the money on raw performance of the PC itself) - I guess this is where the compromise with regards to settings will have to come in.

- With that in mind, I think maybe the 2080 Super as you mentioned is something I should consider (I simply thought the 2080Ti isn't worth the money at the moment and didn't even realise the Super existed). The question I then have is which variants of the Super should I be looking at?

- Honestly have no idea with regards to the cooler I have. Theres no branding that I can see on the cooler and I've long since discarded the packaging. From memory, I paid c.70GBP for the cooler when I built this around 7 years ago. It's a dual heatsink with 2 fans (one wedged between the heatsinks, one on the end). As mentioned, never had an issue with CPU temps so it seems capable enough (at 15% load temps sit around 40-45). The fans are still blowing as hard as ever, so presumably theres no need to even swap those out?

- Any suggestions with regards to potential motherboards? Whilst I'm somewhat willing to upgrade the GPU in a couple years, I would want to keep everything else (including the mobo) the same.

Thanks again for your help <3

Long responses are better than incomplete responses that require 3 rounds of followup questions.

For anything but TF2 I don't think CPU overclocking would really be necessary. It's not just the CPU, it's also the mobo (Z instead of B/H) and usually the cooler although not in your case. It adds up to 50-100 quid depending on the CPU price difference and mobo, which is a bit much if you're not going to use what you paid for. If you're not going to OC a 3700X might actually be faster in addition to being cheaper. Or even a 3600X. 8 cores without SMT vs 6 cores with SMT isn't necessarily a win for the 8 cores.

Yes. You should definitely consider it for the next monitor upgrade though.

Price to performance ratio always gets worse the higher you go. It's a matter of needing/wanting that much performance.
No blower/reference design (single fan), none of the crazy super expensive super high factory oc ones either. Decent cooler, a bit of factory oc are usually the most reasonable choices. You'll have to read reviews, ideally roundups, to compare the coolers. Even if you don't care about the noise GPUs with nominally the same clockspeeds and a different cooler can end up performing significantly different.

Well the temps at 15% load don't mean shit. Any decent dual tower (and I assume it is if you didn't overpay massively) will do fine though. If they fans didn't break they're fine.

Mobo doesn't matter too much for the GPU. I mean PCIe 4.0 is coming, but so far only X570 offers that which is both AMD and quite pricy. No PCIe 4.0 for Intel consumer CPUs before 2021 afaik. Either way that's a 1-2% difference and beyond that the GPU can't even tell mobos apart.
More important would be the decision between Z (overclocking) and B/H (no oc) or even AMD, which all depend on the CPU.

I'm running into hardware issues with my current build from 2013, so since the parts are 6 years old I figure I better start from scratch. I have a soft $1000 budget and would rather buy parts now (within this month) than later so my team can actually scrim.

The worst frames I ever get in TF2 are 90 in some pubs so I'd prefer if this new PC had any form of FPS boost in comparison at all so I can always have 3 digit FPS. I'm very used to not being able to stream without dropping a lot of frames, and only really getting to play games like GTA/Rust/Borderlands/Deus Ex/Witcher ect on all low settings without seeing serious performance issues. If any of this got to change for the better with a new build that'd be great, but if my budget only allows for this to remain the status quo then I can live with that. The most stressful thing that the PC will probably have to take is Cyberpunk I would imagine. I can play that on low too if needed but something higher would be nice. I prefer not to overclock but will if deemed necessary

I had a friend make a partial build. (missing GPU/harddrive/windows) but anyone that's helping me feel free to build your own thing if you see something better.

Edit: I forgot to mention I can reuse the harddrive/PSU/case short term if it fits with the build and softens the budget, and replace the old parts sometime in 2020 when I have more money. Bear also has an old GTX 760 he can send me at break if using that for a GPU to save extra money (in general or to put towards other parts) is the play.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8NnYHB
if you don't want an ssd (you do want an ssd) you can nix it and get a 2080

A 760 is bare minimum for today's games even at low settings, but if it's free you could go for it until you can save for a better one. You could definitely squeeze in a PC with a stupidly faster CPU and GPU for 1000 than yours from 2013, though. The 9700f is just ok but I wouldn't go for Intel unless I were overclocking with a "K" cpu; a 3600 with B450 motherboard would be cheaper and basically as fast for 100 dollars less. 100 dollars is a lot with a 1000 dollar budget.
You could also get a 3700x if you want to pick up streaming.

Ignore compatibility warnings, everything will work out of the box
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vpdK4n

#3468
Other than selling the old build I see no reason to replace the PSU and HDD at all. You could get a new case if you want one, but it's not necessary either.
The PSU should still last a few years minimum. The HDD is going to die eventually, but if you do have backups it doesn't matter and if you don't you're just playing the odds and hoping that you don't get fucked because any HDD could die at any time (more likely when it's brand new and then again increasingly likely as it gets old).

To get you from 90 to 100+ fps won't require overclocking at all so we can skip that as well.
A GPU upgrade should be quite easy as well. Even an RX 560 or GTX 1050 is faster than a 7850 and a GTX 760 loses to 1050 Ti and is hopelessly outclassed by an RX 570, neither of which are particularly expensive.

The partial build is all over the place. New cooler (not a great one at that and virtually identical to the one you already got) and Z390 mobo (most expensive, but allows overclocking and >2666 MHz RAM) but a locked CPU and 2666 MHz RAM? So yeah, don't get that. Either overclocking all the way or none of the way.

1000$ should be more than enough. It's mostly about the balance you want and if you're going to keep anything or start from scratch.
You can easily get a 3700X, 5700 XT and a nice 1 TB NVMe SSD.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($97.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB TUF Gaming X3 OC Video Card ($389.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Optical Drive: HP 624192-B21 DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $964.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 11:44 EST-0500

Of course if you don't think you'll need 8 cores / 16 threads because even a bit less would be quite an improvement for streaming you can do that and drop down to 6 cores to get a new case/PSU or a better GPU. The opposite is possible as well. If you want 12 cores you can get them, but you'd have to get a GPU that's only twice as fast as your current one instead of 4-5 times as fast. Or 6 cores and 3x GPU performance to save some money because that's still a huge upgrade? The choice is yours.

#3469
B365 only supports 2666 MHz RAM.

#3470
This guy speaks the truth.

#3471
Not guaranteed if it's old stock.
I like the Tomahawk too but went with the Gaming Plus because being able to update the BIOS without a CPU just in case is the safer option.

it's the cheapest ddr4 kit for sale right now, it's not as though he can't just run it at a lower clock, also ryzen for pure gaming is just a waste, it still gets outperformed by intel. same for nvme ssds, just a waste of money unless you are using your computer as a workstation. Also if he plans on streaming a turing gpu will be able to output better/similar quality to x264, especially in high motion games.

Timings tend to be suboptimal. I mean if it needs 1.35V to get to 3200CL16 it's not going to be that great with 1.2V at 2666.
If he's streaming it's not pure gaming. Also generalizing this to a "Intel always outperforms AMD" in games is wrong. You're forgetting that this isn't the usual comparision of 9900K vs 3900X with >3000 MHz RAM for both that everyone has done. Sure, that's a 5-6% difference on average, but this would be 3600(X)/3700X vs 9700(F). PBO/AutoOC will still push the 3600/3700X to about the same clocks as the 3900X. Sure, they all struggle to reach the 4.6 GHz that the 3900X should nominally get, but the point is that they all get extremely similar clocks and single threaded performance. Not ideal for AMD, good for their customers. On the other side the 9700(F) will absolutely not run at 5.0 because it's only rated for 4.7. That's already more than 5% gone. Add the lower TDP and baseclock and it will definitely lose on average. Sure it'll still win in some games, but so does a 3900X against a 9900K and you wouldn't say that that one is faster either. Then you realize that it won't be the same RAM, rather 3200 for the 3700X vs 2666 for the 9700(F) and it's really not salvageable anymore.
If you want to complain about the price difference compare the 9700 and 3600(X). 6c/12t isn't going to lose to 8c//8t in multithreaded workloads either.

EDIT: Don't forget that the jcc fix costs another 0-4% according to Intel (and Intel will always use rather optimistic numbers) so all Skylake/Coffee Lake benchmarks would have to be redone to get the current performance.

NVENC vs x264 isn't that simple either. Sure, OBS/Twitch can't use better encoders like x265, VP9 or AV1, but it doesn't support Turing HEVC or even H264-slow either (although OBS is slowly catching up). Turing NVENC still wins against x264 at 1440p or 4K or at presets like faster or veryfast. But 1080p? Things are a bit different. And on an 8 core you're really not going to use veryfast.
Not a clear win for either side. No CPU load is quite nice so that's a point for GPU encoding, but on the other hand as soon as x264/H264 isn't the only choice anymore the balance shifts in favour of CPUs again. Can't update hardware encoding after all. This would be easy if high CPU load wasn't tolerable or a lot of cores were important for another workload, but the way it is he doesn't "have to" choose GPU or CPU encoding, both would work.

I just traded my Palit 1060 Dual and a bit of money for a used Palit 1070 Ti Dual.
Furmark temps with 1060 were under 70 (that is without any custom fan profiles). 1070 Ti however, gets to 82 in just 3 minutes and stays there (with a custom profile and 96% fan speed).

Shold I be worried?

Probably just needs repasted. Either way i hope you didn't spend much. Pascal is dead.

What custom fan profile did you set? 82°C is the default temperature target iirc so the fan is probably spinning up to keep it there.
Furmark isn't exactly a normal load and a GPU with the same cooler but 50% higher TDP will run hotter. If it can handle the absolute worst case like Furmark while (barely) keeping the target temperature it should be absolutely fine under normal load.
It's a used GPU but less than 2 years old so don't expect any miracles from repasting. You're not going get 70°C with that cooler while burning 300W.

https://puu.sh/EEUjr/8574a85063.png

Temp limit is at 83 in MSI Afterburner
It gets to 82 without custom profile as well, just faster.

Well the 96% seem fine then.
Does it run cooler on actual benchmarks like Unigine Heaven/Valley or whatever?
If the noise isn't bothering you you can leave it as is. If you've got thermal paste lying around you could repaste it but it doesn't seem necessary.

https://puu.sh/EEXZy/2bf24cae32.png

Don't care about the noise.
Can't repaste yet because the seller guy gave me 2 weeks to test it out and asked me not to touch all the warranty stuff.

Also, how can it not handle target temparature if it's literally limited to 83 by MSI Afterburner. I'm pretty sure it drops clocks when it gets up to 82 & close to 83 just to keep it at that level.

The score seems perfectly normal. You can check the clocks in Afterburner but it doesn't seem to be throttling.

-

Try the GPU in a different pc or a different GPU in your pc or both.
If you're really bored reinstall windows.

Not really a build question though.

I'm struggling to get above stable 144 at 1080, have to play below native res to get frames because of this.

I know CPU is almost always the cause of any bottlenecks in TF2, but I'm wondering if the cause is perhaps the chipset? Resource monitor does show my CPU at 100% when FPS tanks in game.

Current Build:
Mobo - i7 6700
Processor - Asus H110I-PLUS D3
GPU - PNY Signature GTX 680

Basically my question is: If I want to spend the smallest amount of money upgrading some components, would it be cheapest to just get a new motherboard (I'm considering changing form factor from ITX), or should I look at getting a new CPU + Motherboard entirely?

The chipset doesn't affect performance. DDR3 isn't ideal though.

Most likely thermal throttling, it's mini-ITX after all.

The CPU and MOBO temps sit at around 60 under load, GPU around 40. My room is very cold :(

Yeah, I'm not sure about that. The mobo should not be at 60 and the CPU that actually generates the heat should not be at the same temperature as the mobo.
For comparision: Even if I push the CPU above 70 with benchmarks the mobo doesn't even get to 30. So I'm not sure which sensors you are reading or what kind of abomination your cooling setup is.

Actually yeah I just checked hwinfo instead of speccy and the mobo is 25.

To clarify, are you saying that if I wanted to increase frames in TF2, I would have to upgrade the CPU and a mobo upgrade wouldn't cut it?

That makes more sense. 60 were definitely core temps, not the package?

Well upgrading the mobo wouldn't do anything.
Any mobo upgrade would necessitate a RAM replacement as well unless you find one of the elusive and garbage LGA1151 DDR3 mobos.
In terms of CPUs supported by that mobo it's not looking good either (DDR3 mobos were phased out quickly because no one wanted them) and for 5% better performance because you can't overclock it's really not worth it.

Any signficant upgrade would require a new CPU, mobo and RAM. At least 250 for ~15%. Max without overclocking ~25% and that would be a lot more expensive. That's assuming your CPU is performing like it should be. More if it's not but then you should fix that rather than upgrade. If it is and you need more than +15-30% fps you're out of luck.

Playing pubs native res I've managed to get core temps to 73 max, maximum core0 usage was 92%, no thermal throttling according to hwinfo.

If I am to upgrade my CPU I understand I'd be upgrading mobo and ram too so that's fine, I'm just surprised that I can't get consistent 144 native res with this CPU.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v7V68M

Any objections to this build? Or easy upgrades I'm missing out on? Willing to up the price a bit but don't really feel like the jump to the i9 is worth it for my uses

e: upped the RAM clock speed

#3490
Well that's TF2. Depends a bit on the settings but dropping below 144 fps in pubs is normal.

#3491
Well what are your uses? Can't exactly tell if it's worth it with no information.

https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#555

Also 300$ for a Z370-A is borderline criminal. A Z370-A II costs 140$. I hope you're not buying mobos by price, expecting them to be better if they're more expensive. Also if you don't want to have fun with the BIOS update (read: gamble if the CPU works out of the box or not, with no way to update if it doesn't) you should either get a mobo doesn't need CPU to flash the BIOS or a comparable Z390 mobo (e.g. Z390 Gaming X).

greeting mr setsul

im looking into a r5 3600 compact or rather a mobile, portable build and i need a case suggestion and a general advice or correction on something i may overlook
currently have
fx-4320
asus m5a78l-m lx
ddr3 kingston 1x1gb, 1x2gb
gtx 770
chieftec gps-700a8 (yea i kno i dont need 700w it was rushed to play an official, 600w wasnt in stock and both were the same price)
240gb sata 3 ssd
no case

now im looking at something like this
r5 3600(non x for that sweet free stock cooler)
i dont even know what mobo yet but literally doesnt matter anything that is micro-ATX/mini-ATX and works without flashing bios as i dont have another am4 cpu or willing to risk and just cba
16gb ddr4 dual channel(dual rank tho dont care)
looking to reuse the 770 tricky bit #1
looking to reuse the psu tricky bit #2
storage non factor although i think its worth mentioning its going to be the same ssd maybe expanded with another sata 3 ssd and this may or may not affect clearance
very important part, a small case, bonus points if i can reuse psu and my gpu, bonus points for a carrying handle
solely tf2/csgo build

i want to reuse the 770 because i already own it and the only better thing i could get is a low profile 1050(ti) which a) i need to buy(unwanted costs) and is b) in no way better performing but energy efficiency, on the other hand, if i were to keep the 770 i would need to keep my PSU as well for these reasons: a)i already own it b)i need a 8pin+6pin to power the 770(230w fucks sake) so most SFX/TFX cant power this thing on; c)i really would like to avoid spending money on a new psu because this one is not even 6 months old

this introduces a few problems: reusing a full lenght, two slot, two PCI-e pin card requires some space for the card, as well as even if the card would fit just fine, the psu would not, requiring me to buy an SFX one, and i figure if there is a case big enough to house both, why not keep a free, working, functioning stock ryzen cooler as i really dont want to spend even more money on something like a noctua
also it would be great if the case didnt cost like over 100eur

keeping 770 and the psu is very desirable(low profile 1050/ti+psu+SFF case can easily run as much as the cpu+mobo+ram and i really cant afford to spend that on a team fortress 2 build, im a bit on a budgie) but may make finding a case infinitely more difficult if at all possible, especially considering i dont want to spend over a 100 eur on the case, i can sacrifice the stock cooler if thats what it takes but i really dont want to get a new gpu and psu