X570 for a 3000 would be a waste and generally buying a 3000 now doesn't make much sense.
Wait.

Not sure how you'd know your pc is "close to dying". Usually that's just windows. Or maybe one part is dying. E.g. nice graphics artifacts mean the GPU is dying.

To be honest you shouldn't even have bought a mainboard before buying a CPU. Not like any of this will get more expensive so why buy it earlier than you need to?

What CPU would you guys recommend for stable 244fps on the lowest settings with FPS config and 4x3 res?

244 seems oddly specific.
I don't think you can get "stable" fps in TF2.
Also I've got no idea which CPU would be good enough for 244 fps with those settings (6s? HL? pub?) and which would be overkill and I don't care enough to benchmark and extrapolate.

Hey, need opinions on an upgrade, currently I got:
CPU: AMD FX-8350
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3
Memory: not sure which (CPU-z says Muskhin is the manufacturer) 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR3-2333 (NB freq ~2215 on CPUZ)
Storage: 256gb SSD the non NVME version
Video Card: rx 560 4gb
which nets around 145-150FPS on mastercomfig benchmark (using low config) at 1440p windowed

Now I would like to upgrade to a 1440p 144hz screen so I'm guessing beefing the PC up is necessary as well.
As I want to spend the least amount of money possible I figured I could just upgrade my CPU and ram (and the motherboard so it fits the new CPU).

So what do you guys think about upgrading that system with:
Motherboard MSI B550M PRO-VDH
CPU Amd 5600x
and 16gbs of 3200hz ddr4 ram

edit:
goal is stable 144hz in tf2. The extra ram is there because I plan on running multiple screens (not for gaming) and people on the internet said that having a lot of ram is good for that.

So you're getting 145-150 fps at 1440p windowed. And you want 144fps (I assume you mean fps not Hz, if your monitor's refresh rate is unstable I'd be very worried) at 1440p, maybe windowed, maybe fullscreen?
What exactly is the point of this upgrade then?

Why would more monitors need more RAM? Do you think higher resolutions need more RAM too? That's all VRAM, the GPU, not RAM. Not that is a noticeable amount for desktop usage or in TF2 anyway.
No reason not to get 16GB anyway though. Could also go faster, 3600 MHz or something like that.

Don't cheap out on the mobo, you'll regret it.

Wrote it on a phone so it's a bit wonky :P
Well the benchmark test resulted in ~145fps, but realistically in games it drops under 60 in some cases, so getting a stable 144fps definitely requires and upgrade

No idea really, just read that you need ram for multitasking
I'll look at 3600MHz, thanks

wdym? I got it off 4chan/g/ pcbg recommendation list, thought it was ok

Ok, makes sense then.

Multitasking is sort of independent of multi-monitor though. You can only click/type in one window at a time, no matter how many you can see, so it's just a matter of how many programs are running and the number of monitors doesn't restrict that. Still, 16GB is the right choice.

Well the B550M PRO-VDH is much better in that regard than others or even previous generations of the same. It does have 4 RAM slots, 3/4 fan connectors, good enough VRMs and CPU-less BIOS update (those are usually the things missing on the cheapest mobo of a lineup) but the less than ideal onboard sound, no USB 3.x (only 3.0) and no external USB-C, only 2 PCIe x1 slots and no second x16 slot do remain, so be aware of that. It's not a problem if you don't need any of that but those are things you notice years down the line when you can't do anything about it.
Also never trust 4chan.

Just wanted some quick input.

Currently running an i3570K, GTX780, 16GB of RAM into a 1080p BenQ monitor at 120Hz.

I literally only play TF2. FPS has been dropping on me as of late, kind of thinking about an upgrade.

Suggestions?

Have you overclocked the 3570k? That could pull out some extra frames without having to spend money.

any hope for a ryzen 5700x in 2021? 5800x is a little much for me

Why would you want one though? For marketing reasons they can't really do a 6 core 5700X after the 3700X was an 8 core, not like they could do a significantly higher clocked 6 core anyway, so it would have to be a lower clocked 8 core.
If you want an 8 core that is slower per core than a 5800X (or 5600X for that matter) you can just buy a 3800X(T).

I don't know anything about hardware but would one be able to build a 10/10 gaming pc that can handle tf2 well with only $1600?

edit: I guess the better question to ask is what would be the mimimum amount of money you need to build a 10/10 gaming pc that can handle tf2.

what is your current build?
can u reuse parts from it?
what fps and quality settings?
any other games/software?
streaming?
can you wait few months for the good stuff to actually be in stock?

CPU 5600X with a good cpu cooler so you can do a bit of overclock (Noctua is really good)
GPU : honestly you can go for a 1660 super, no need for more if it's for tf2
RAM : go for a 3600MHz 16gb or faster but no need to go 32gb
you add ssd, hdd, power supply 500W or more, and a case you end up with a 1200 euros pc 10/10 for tf2

that also is depending if you want to stream or not, if you do want to stream, consider getting a better gpu.

not sure if it's worth going over 3600Mhz, but i heard that the 5600X can really benefit from higher speed ram, dunnot know

btw is there even a gpu bottleneck in source games that could held back a 5600x ?

#3774
Depends on your definition of 10/10 and whether it's exclusively for TF2, but it should be less than 1600$.

#3775/3776
Unless manage to find a GPU older than 10 years, not really. 1660S is very much overkill.

Hey ! I've gotten a lot more into video editing over the past few months, and I'm starting to feel very limited by my i3-8350K @4.7 GHz in that regard, since it's a 4/4 CPU. So I'm looking to upgrade my CPU and maybe other components if worth it, ideally towards the end of February or the beginning of March (hopefully things are in stock or at a price close to MSRP by then). My current build is :

- MSI Z370 A-PRO
- i3-8350K @4.7 GHz
- Be Quiet! Pure Rock
- 16GB RAM @3200 MHz
- GTX 1070
- Crucial MX500 SSD
- Seagate 1TB 7200RPM HDD
- Corsair CX450M PSU
- Fractal Design Focus G

I was considering getting a 500GB NVMe M.2 SSD to get Windows, basic programs and a few games like TF2 or Apex on too, so that I could have my footage and working directories on my SATA SSD, and thus gain performance in editing and rendering compared to having it on my HDD. Not sure about getting 16 more gigs of RAM, would that really be worth it ? I might have to change the PSU if I get a much beefier CPU as well I suppose. As for the GPU, correct me if I'm wrong but I still believe it's more than enough for 1440p-4K editing.

Ideally the goal would be to have a much smoother editing experience, without too much lag or delay in previews and upon making changes, while not sacrificing too much performance in games like TF2 or Apex at 1080p144 in general (assuming I were to lose single-core performance upon getting more cores, but maybe that's a bit stupid considering the performance of the last AMD lineup for instance). I also play some graphics-heavier games here and there but that shouldn't be too much of a factor since they're mostly GPU-bound I believe.

(On a side note, I'm planning on not throwing away my mobo, CPU and cooler if I am to swap them out, and would then consider buying a case, RAM, small SSD, PSU and cheap GPU second hand to combine with those for a second little PC than I can use for LANs (lol) or at-home 2-PC gaming with friends and family, or even gift to a friend eventually, so if you have any recommendations for that part I'd be interested too)

Budget for the main upgrade would be around 600-700 euros max ideally, and around 200-250 for the second little PC.

Thanks in advance !

If you're running out of RAM you need more, otherwise it's fine.
PSU should still be fine.
Same with the GPU.

Unless you need more than 8 cores/16 threads keeping everything and only getting a new CPU would be the cheapest. Even a new 9900KF is cheaper than a 10700KF/3700X/5800X + mobo.

A new SSD should be easily within budget, so why not?

I see, thanks a lot for your answer ! But assuming I want to keep similar performance in most games, I'd need to overclock the i9-9900KF to a similar clockrate : wouldn't I then need a new cooler ? I'm pretty sure the VRMs on my mobo aren't the best either, so I'm unsure how I'd manage to reach 4.7-8 GHz safely. (if I were to change my motherboard I'd rather use that occasion to get something even more recent like a 10700KF or 5800X, but that's another topic)

I'm very surprised about 450W being enough for an oc'd 9900KF + 1070 but if you say so I guess I'm overestimating how much it puts out.

I definitely don't need more than 8/16 of course, I'm no professional.

5.0 single core boost, 4.7 all core seems good enough to me. The cooler is good enough that it shouldn't overheat on stock clocks (especially if you undervolt it a bit) and I doubt the VRMs will burst into flames at stock either. Wouldn't expect much of an OC, but it's faster than what you've currently got at stock speeds so I don't see that being an issue.
You don't have to go all out and get a 9900K(F) either, that's just the fastest (and most expensive) CPU you can get without replacing the mobo.

Depends on the 1070. Reference design/FE is 150W, aftermarket goes up to 250W in theory, but most are 180W, with peaks to 190-200W.
Yes, overclocked you can push the 9900K to 250W on a dedicated CPU stresstest like Prime95 and that's awfully tight with your PSU (though barely doable), but actual, real-world all core loads at stock? 120-150W, plenty of headroom there. Light OC like permanent 4.7 all core instead of only boost for x seconds is fine.

All this sounds a bit tight, but it might be worth it, thanks for the advice !

Now let's assume that in a different scenario I were to gift/sell mobo+CPU+cooler instead of just the chip (a few people asked me for either of those), what new "combo" should I then go for ? I could gift/sell the PSU as well if necessary, or gift/sell/keep a small secondary PC with all those 4 components + a few second-hand ones like I intended to in my first post.

Budget for the upgrade should be around the same, that is 600-700 euros max.

It's a 450W PSU and it isn't trash so you can actually draw 450W. There's no need for a 100W buffer. It's supposed to be within spec at 100% load and will be completely fine with spikes to 110% since spikes from the sustained load are expected. Non-oc with a FE 1070 you'd be at <350W under full load, "normal" aftermarket 1070 (~180W) + lightly oc'd 9900K would be around 400W for the whole system. Even with some spikes that's well within the PSU's capabilities.

You'd need RAM for the secondary PC or buy new one for your primary, obviously.
10700K would be within budget, but it would be very weird since the ridiculous prices for Z490 mobos mean a 9900KF (same speed) + a cheap quad core including mobo might actually be cheaper, let alone just a cheap-ish used mobo for the 8350K.
5800X is expensive enough that I don't think a cooler and mobo good enough for a decent overclock would leave enough for an SSD without maxing out the budget completely.
5600X would be a tradeoff, slightly slower in multithreaded than a 9900K, but faster singlethreaded, though obviously more expensive since you need a new mobo and cooler.
3700X would be definitely weird, if you can even find one for a reasonable price. Multithreaded about the same as the 5600X, maybe slightly better, but at best the same singlethreaded as the 8350K you already got.

Alright thanks for the input, so I would say we have 2 scenarios then, depending on whether I sell or gift the CPU+mobo+cooler combo or not :

• if I don't, I should probably go for the 9900KF, keep the PSU, mobo and cooler, aim for a 4.7 GHz oc (will the cooler suffice for that too ? Else I can keep it for the 8350K and buy a beefier one) or keep it stock and rely on boosts, and then figure out a potential 8GB RAM + cheap used mobo for the 8350K, plus (used) case/GPU/PSU/small SSD for cheap, and get an NVMe M.2 500GB SSD for the main PC ; how much would that possibly amount to ? do you have any mobos, coolers and NVMe's to recommend (if you have time for this of course) ?
  
• if I do, then I would probably say, based on the information you gave me, that either the 10700K or the 5600X are the best options and that they're fairly equivalent? In which case I would only need a mobo and a cooler for either of those, along with an NVMe M.2 SSD (and maybe a PSU I suppose unless it's a similar power draw to the 9900KF ?), but nothing else because of no secondary PC. Would you have any recommendations in that case too ?

Thanks again for all the advice !

Like I said 4.7 is the stock boost clock so your current cooler should be able to handle that, probably slightly more.
There's always delidding...

The MSI Z370 A-PRO is as bad as it gets for Z370, so any Z370/Z390 you can get will be at least as good. It might even be worth to use the "new" used mobo for the 9900KF instead. Yes, if you can find an Intel fanboy who is upgrading to a 10900K and selling a 9900K(F) that wasn't overclocked insanely high + mobo it might be an even better deal.
Remember that a 9900K(F) is simply the best you can get that would fit your mobo, but a 9700K or 9600K would still be an upgrade by 100/50% in multithreaded.
For SSDs https://www.anandtech.com/show/9799/best-ssds or other guides.
You should be able to find entry level 500GB NVMe SSDs around 50-60€ and mainstream starting at around 65€.
For the 8350K any 120mm or more single tower cooler should be more than enough.

10700K vs 5600X is a slight tradeoff on multithreaded vs singlethreaded. There's only so much 6 cores can do if that program doesn't show vastly better SMT scaling on AMD.
Z490 mobos are slightly more expensive and don't have PCIe 4.0 though.
10700K is basically a 9900K, very similar power draw, 5600X would be less.

EDIT: Just so we're clear: I didn't forget about mobo recommendations, I just didn't feel like doing a whole bunch of them for different levels of overclocks, depending on how much are willing or able to afford depending on how much you're spending on the SSD and RAM and other stuff for the second pc and doing it twice for both 10700K and 5600X.
You're smart and motivated enough to make a decision on those on your own, which will give me a much clearer budget and narrower restrictions to work with, drastically reducing the time and effort needed.
tl;dr
me lazy

Thanks a lot for the advice, no worries for the being lazy part I can perfectly understand !

I'll wait until I'm sure whether I'm selling/giving the CPU+mobo+cooler combo or not and what CPU I'd like to get depending on that first condition as you suggested, and then ask again for further advice on mobos, coolers, PSUs and SSDs.

Hello again, I'm now pretty sure that I will end up gifting my CPU, mobo and cooler to my brother, or giving them to him for a very small, symbolic amount if he insists on it, so that this should mean no gain in budget for the main upgrade overall, but also mean that I don't really intend to build a secondary PC anymore, at least in the near future. So we could actually consider going over 600-700 euros a little bit if worth it.

Also, I would like to mention that I am currently in Germany, and returning to France on the last weekend of February, which leads me to think that I should probably buy my new CPU, mobo, SSD and cooler here in Germany and bring them back with me on my way home, seeing as prices in France are much higher (more than 20% more for the 10700KF for instance). That would mean that I'd end up buying everything in 3 or 4 weeks. I've mostly been looking at Alternate for prices but feel free to recommend any other retailers that are worth checking out.

For the SSD, I've been looking at the Mushkin Pilot-E 500 GB, as suggested by the guide you linked to me, which is at 65 euros on Alternate.

For the CPU, well it's not that easy to choose. I think I'd lean towards the 10700K rather than the 5600X simply because of 8-core performance in editing, but at the same time since I'm no professional and don't intend to be one, would it really be worth it in terms of trade-off for the single-core performance in games ? Is 8 cores more "future-proof" (if that even means anything with how CPUs evolve) if my main use remains games and editing for the coming years ?

I would go a bit over budget and buy the 5800X with my eyes closed considering it pretty much solves the single/multithreaded tradeoff problem, if only the huge price premium (+150 euros on Alternate compared to the 10700K) didn't seem so undeserved. Is there any chance of it becoming more reasonable in Germany by the end of February ? Or even reasonable in France in March or so ? Is it worth waiting ?

I was going to start talking about overclocking, mobos and coolers initially, but I suppose we should settle firmly for a CPU before doing so. At least the part about reusing components or not is sorted out.

Alternate isn't that cheap. When in doubt check https://geizhals.de/

5800X is never going to be that close in price to a 10700K(F), 449$ vs 374/349$ list price just doesn't allow it.

Remember that editing isn't that multithreaded. Rendering is though most of that sees better SMT scaling on Zen on top of the better single threaded performance so it's more like 10-20% between the 10700K and 5600X, depending on the program, instead of the 33% that 8 vs 6 cores would suggest.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/7.html
In editing the 10700K just straight up loses.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/11.html

Future proofing is a fool's errand and in this specific case you'd be trading better performance today for the hope that a 10700K will fare less badly when it is outdated.
Neither editing nor games will suddenly become purely, nicely multithreaded workloads in the next couple of years (if we could do that we would've done it 20 years ago) and even if rendering shows you what the advantage would look like: 10-20%. Not something that will save your wallet when looking at that shiny new 16 core CPU in 5 years that's probably 150% faster or thereabouts thinking "damn, I wish my CPU were faster".

Just what I thought about future proofing, it's not a valid criterion for choosing a CPU. Thanks for the confirmation.
Assuming my use case doesn't change much in the coming 3-4 years or so and I end up having a much different type of use after that, which could be true regarding real life objectives, I would probably not care about how my CPU performs in 5 years since I'd either not need it anymore or just get a new one.

I've made my calculation in terms of budget and assuming it's not worth it to overclock the 5800X, like most guides seem to suggest (especially if I do 80% gaming and 20% editing), upon checking prices on geizhals, it seems like I could have around 450 for the CPU and 65 for the SSD, and then based on the no overclock probably settle for a cooler like the Noctua DH-15 or Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 (if I want to keep things at around 70°C max). If I say I'm getting an entry-level B550 mobo then I'd be at around 700 euros in total. So that would make the 5800X affordable somehow. Or am I wrong in terms of motherboards ? Should I go for a better one, especially if my PSU is tight (450W where calculators seem to recommend 500W at least for 5800X + 1070) ? Am I wasting money on a 5% performance increase compared to the 10700K or 5600X with a 25-30% price gap ?

That last calculation would make it seem unreasonable to go for the 5800X, but I'm wondering if thermals, power consumption, motherboard prices, possible PSU issues and/or necessary upgrade and socket features make the gap much more reasonable somehow, especially in comparison to the 10700K ?

That being said, a similar no-overclock setup for the 10700KF would mean around 100 euros less total. But at the same time many of the stuff cited above seems to narrow the gap quite a bit. And it seems like overclocking the 10700KF is actually worth it, so I probably would be underestimating the costs for getting the most out of that CPU somehow ?

I'm having a very hard time figuring out which CPU would be the best choice, sorry if I'm unclear.

Most of that doesn't make any sense.
For gaming you're more interested in single/per core performance so an overclocked 5600X is better than a 5800X at stock.
Either buy a high end air cooler or don't overclock. Both don't make sense. Why would you spend that much on a cooler if you don't overclock?
Entry level boards are almost always a mistake. Don't cheap out on the mobo.
PSU should be fine, depending which the 1070 it is, but most don't consume enough to make it a problem.

What do you want the 5800X for? I just told you that more cores don't really help in editing and don't really help in games, at least nowhere near what it costs more. Most of the performance increase in both is due to the clockrate.

For a no overclock setup you'd want a 10700. Don't buy an unlocked (overclockable) CPU for not overclocking.

Yeah I realize most of what I said is incoherent, and no matter how I try to think about it, the 5800X is probably not worth it. So it's really either 5600X or 10700K.

We have around 10-20% better performance for the 10700K in rendering as you said, and slightly better performance from the 5600X in games and editing. Does that remain true when you go up on overclocks for both ? And do the thermals and power consumption discrepancies remain at a similar ratio when the overclock makes both of them go up too ?

If I really think about it, my time in video work is mostly going to be editing for like 90% of the time, and 10% rendering anyway, since the type of videos I do require quite a bit of time in editing. So maybe the gap in rendering doesn't matter that much, and I'm trying to shift to better GPU use in rendering with Voukoder and other plugins as of recently anyway.

My 1070 is the EVGA SC Gaming Black Edition, I haven't overclocked it myself but I believe it is by default like most aftermarket graphic cards ? My PSU is fine for stock clocks I suppose yes but how far will I be able to go in overclocking with it ? Is 5.1 GHz on the i7 or 4.7 GHz on the Ryzen 5 (which I believe is the typical max OC target ?) manageable with a good motherboard and that PSU ? (if the cheaper and equally good move is a better PSU and a cheaper motherboard then I'm down obviously but I doubt it based on what you said with the mobos)