Hi i would like to upgrade my PC so i could run games such as Red Dead Redemption 2, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Cyberpunk 2077 and more of that type at a solid 60+ fps on about medium quality at least, maybe even get a bit more frames in TF2

My current specs:
Video Card - Radeon RX 580 Series 4GB RAM
CPU - Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz
RAM - 8GB
Motherboard - Gigabyte H97M-HD3
PSU: Seasonic SS-520GM M12II 520W 80 Plus Bronze
Case: some regular size old Sharkoon case

Budget is about 500$ / 1700 NIS (could go a bit higher if it's worth it)
Rather use local stores https://ksp.co.il/ and https://www.ivory.co.il/ but can use https://www.amazon.com/ if needed.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!

How many fps are you getting right now? Not in Cyberpunk obviously, but the others?

In AC Odyssey about 60-40 fps on lowest quality, RDR2 would probably be worse i don't have it at the moment because i will probably have lower fps since im currently not meeting the minimum requirements. In Horizon Zero Dawn for example i have about 60 fps on lowest settings but the game lags all the time trying to load everything.
I was told by some friends i should mainly upgrade my CPU since my GPU is kinda decent.

HZD is probably just the shitty port, maybe your HDD.

Because the prices are what they are it's more like 250$ so I'm not sure what would be best.
For a new CPU you'd need a new mobo and RAM as well and that means 4 cores is doable, but not really worth it (used older CPU would get you half the benefit or more at a fraction of the cost), 6 cores is difficult and you'd have to get one with lower clockrate and that's not ideal for games so you'd be missing out on what a slightly more expensive upgrade would get you, high clocked 6 core is nice, but over budget and at that point you might be limited by your GPU again (especially in Cyberpunk 2077) so that doesn't really seem worth it either.
So those are your options. If you're not in a hurry wait for the 5600X because even if you don't want to go over budget like you'd need to to afford it it would at least push down the prices for older models.

Hi, I would like to upgrade my current PC which has served me well these past 7 years.

My current PC contains (roughly) this:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/vm3fPV

I am planning on upgrading the CPU, Mobo, RAM and Cooling and came up with this:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/nN9xcT

No budget at this stage, I'm just looking for quality parts, good warranties, and ease of install. I will be updating the GPU later on down the track. This PC will be used primarily for gaming (so should I go for the 10600K instead?). I realise these new AMD CPUs may be better, but I'm hearing people having issues with updating the BIOS, so I don't mind going with Intel to avoid that.

Any issues / suggestions / comments are appreciated, but keep in mind that I don't really know what I'm doing. Thanks.

What issues with updating the BIOS? Apart from the usual not being able to update the BIOS without a CPU, which should be obvious? You can also avoid that issue by buying a mobo from 2020 instead of 2019. Or buying one that can be updated without a CPU installed.

I don't like the cooler for the usual reasons.
https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#555
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Timings on that RAM really aren't great.

Do you need WiFi?

Yes, 10600KF would probably be enough.

My understanding isn't great, but from what I read, I thought I would need either an older gen CPU to first boot and update the bios, then switch it out for the new CPU, or get the computer shop to do it for me. Guess I needed to read into this a little more.

I just chose an AIO cooler as my H60 has given me temps at roughly 20-30C at idle, and 40-50C in-game for the past 7 years. Would the NH-D15 from your post give me these temps still, even while overclocking? Seems like it's the exact same price here in AUS as the H100x one I linked above, plus if it's quieter, and most likely easier to install, I'll go with that.

Yes I'd like my motherboard to have WIFI capabilities, as my living situation is likely to change in the coming months. I've seen both the ASUS and MSI ones for similar prices, but just went with the Gigabyte one as I had no issues with my current Gigabyte one. Let me know if you think they are better alternatives.

I'm sorry but I'm going to need your help with the RAM. I don't really understand what I'm looking for.

So far that leaves me with this:
CPU: Intel Core i5-10600KF 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($359.00 @ Centre Com)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($143.00 @ Newegg Australia)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS ELITE AC ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($329.00 @ Umart)
Total: $831.00

Not to shill for AMD but I thought the same thing, but some mobo manufacturers (at least MSI) allow the BIOS to be updated via one specific USB port on the back of the mobo, pretty sure you don't even need to have a CPU installed for it to work.

#3739
Yes, though AMD will send you one on loan if you can provide proof of purchase for the CPU and mobo.
And like I said there are some mobos that can be updated without a CPU (see #3740) or you can simply buy one from 2020 (B550/X570) and CPUs from 2020 will work without any update.

The NH-D15 is just one examples and featured in many reviews, that's why I used it. No, 50°C while under load and overclocked is unrealistic for a 10600KF with either cooler. The 10600KF is much worse in that regard than the 4820K, but I also suspect that there wasn't that much load in games and you didn't overclock it very high. In a stress test it most likely would've gone up to 70°C and the 10600KF will probably reach 80 or higher and 60 during "normal" gaming loads. Either way the NH-D15 should be quieter at the same temperatures, though I haven't seen a direct comparison.

Yes, just checking so you don't pay for something you won't need.

You can check the timings on pcpartpicker. Basically marketing playing stupid games. Adverstise as "CL18", don't mention that the timings are 18-22-22-42, not 18-18-18-38 like you'd want them to be. Without changing the price range these would be better options:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/ckvbt6/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl17-memory-pvs416g360c7k
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b
Of course you can also go for the good stuff with 16-16-16-36 that is also better for a few other reasons but that's more like 180$ and not really worth it in your case.

Thank you Setsul that was really helpful.

If I was to go down the AMD route, do you see any issues with the following components (as well as my existing ones):

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($469.00 @ Computer Alliance)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($309.10 @ Newegg Australia)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($122.10 @ Newegg Australia)
Total: $900.20

I figured I can try the cooler that comes in the box and if temps are no good, I'll grab the Noctua one.

No issues.
Yes, for stock the stock cooler will obviously be good enough, overclocked it is indeed the easiest and potentially cheapest option to simply try and see.

That mobo will need a BIOS update to officially support that CPU but since it can be updated without a CPU or RAM installed that shouldn't be a problem.

Gigabyte also hasn't published the QVL (list of officially supported RAM kits) yet, but I'm fairly that RAM will work. If not since you can update the BIOS without having any installed when the new version to improve RAM compatibility is inevitably released that should also be fixable.

I've got a HP Pavilion Desktop PC 570-p0XX atm and i'm looking to juice it up a bit . I don't know much about tech stuff so i'd be happy about some input about what parts would work well / which parts i should replace.
I'm pretty unhappy with the cooling of the graphics card, on tf2 it stays around 50 degrees but on more modern games it jumps up to 80 degrees. i guess a different case and coolers will help with this?

specs:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700 CPU @ 3.60GHz, 3601 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 2GB
16gb ram ddr4 DDR4-2400 SDRAM
Mainboard Intel H270
and 2 harddrives 1 128 gb ssd and a 1tb hdd which im pretty happy with
tried to get as much information as possible but i couldnt find any specifis on the motherboard or the memory

80°C seems like a normal target temperature for a GPU. You can set it lower if you want to, but it will get louder and is unnecessary.

bros 16gigs of 3200-16 cost me $75 a year ago and now I can get 16 gig 3600-16 for the same price...
hold me...

Looking at finally upgrading again, and as usual I'm completely out of the loop on pc parts. I'm thinking of a full replacement so I can just sell off my current one.

Current build:
CPU: i7-4790k
GPU: RX 580
RAM: 16GB 2400
Mobo: Asus Z87-A
SSDs: 2x some regular SSD 256GB each, 1x SN750 1TB (NVMe)

I'd def keep the NVMe as it's a recent purchase, and I'm currently using an adapter so it would be nice to have a mobo with a proper slot for it. I was also considering keeping the RX 580, but I'm hesitant as it would make selling it more difficult.

Been looking at a Ryzen 3900x maybe, or the 5800x/5900x? Budget I'm flexible with, thinking around $1,000-$1,500 CAD. Usage-wise, mostly gaming (AC:Valhalla atm) and a bit of streaming.

12 cores is overkill for that price range, get the 5600x when it comes out.

How much higher would I have to go for it to be worth a 5800x? The $1,500 isn't a hard cap but I'm not looking to spend like $3,000 either.

Edit: To update my original ideal specs, I was thinking being able to output Valhalla (or similar) at 4K to my TV would be perfect so I could just game from the couch when I want to.

I don't think there's a rule "you have to spend at least X Dollars before you're allowed to buy a CPU with more than 6 cores".
Also if he were to keep the 580 it'd be virtually impossible to even reach 1500$ without doing something utterly retarded like buying a 500$ mobo and 500$ RAM.

Anyway, this is not a question of "only buy X if you spend Y dollars", it's a question of usefulness.
Even if he had a budget of 3000$ I still wouldn't recommend 12 cores if nothing he does uses more than 4.

#3747
Why are you upgrading?
If it's for games you probably want a new GPU. If you're getting a new GPU you'd better have a very good reason for using CPU encoding instead of GPU encoding for streaming. Because if you don't I'm not seeing why you'd need 12 cores. A 5600X or 5800X is going to be much better for games because of the higher per-thread performance than a 3900X.

And as always, the cheapest upgrade is no upgrade. If your CPU turns out to be good enough for the games you're playing why not just get a GPU and be done with it? It's not like CPUs are going to be worse or more expensive next year or in two years or whenever the time comes that you actually need to replace it.

EDIT: Your CPU would be enough for 80+ fps but even an RTX 3090 isn't going to get you 60 fps at 4K in AC:Valhalla. Well the 6900 XT will be a thing soon and you can obviously drop the settings a bit but I would strongly recommend you save some (or all) of the money for the CPU and put it towards a much better GPU.

hey, not too recently i got an ultrawide, 3440x1440 at 144hz. started playing tf2 a bit again as well, and have a bit of difficulty pushing 144+ fps at fullscreen. running it in a window at 1080p is comparatively much better, but still get some frame drops.

ive currently got a ryzen 1700 and a 970, so im curious whether im cpu bound, or if its actually a gpu bottleneck at full resolution. not sure whether i should upgrade to a 3rd gen ryzen first or get a used 1080ti.

Yeah the upgrade is mostly just for gaming/streaming. My current GPU was bought around the time of Apex's release since with my previous GPU the fps was pretty terrible even with everything as low as it could go.
Right now I'm able to play Valhalla on medium settings but the fps is pretty bad (guessing around 30 but I can edit this post after I test it).

I tried streaming Valhalla and with streaming at 720p60fps I was getting massive frame drops until I changed my output to 30fps and set StreamLabs priority to high, but even then going back to the vod the gameplay looked super choppy.

So getting a 5600x and putting the money I save on it compared to the 58/89 towards a better GPU would be a good option?

#3751
It's TF2 so it's the CPU.

#3752
Get new GPU and use GPU encoding (though you can even try that now).
Then maybe get a 5600X if for some reason you still think you need it.

If I'm only getting a new GPU, would something like the upcoming 6800XT be overkill for my setup?

(Checked my SL settings, already using GPU encoding)

6800XT actually seems fairly reasonable if you're going for 4K.
Obviously wait for benchmarks and see if it gets you the performance you want in the games you play before buying anything.
Also check your PSU, it'll draw more power than an RX 580. 550W should be on the safe side.

The 6800XT got better encoding (how much better we'll have to wait for reviews), if that doesn't fix it there's probably something wrong with your settings or connection.

Sweet I'll probably do that then. If I can get away with just a GPU upgrade I may as well do that.
My current PSU is the EVGA SuperNova 850 G2L, so I should be okay there.
I also looked up Cyberpunk recommended settings out of curiosity, and their recommended Intel CPU is actually the 4790k anyways.

Appreciate the help!

alright so i came up with this build

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB KO GAMING Video Card
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 400 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Total: €1017.24

i have an i7-7700 cpu in my current pc which i could use and spare some money. should i just use that (of course then i would have to use a different motherboard than the msi b450) or is the amd ryzen 5 3600x going to outperform my i7? main goal is source game performance

do you have a high refresh rate monitor?

i was already making an essay on how if you reused the cpu, motherboard and memory you save enough to get a 3000 series nvidia card or the new amd ones but you edited your post explaining you are looking for source performance primarily

if that is the case you might as well get the new ryzen 5600x because its got the best single core performance in source games at the moment(for its price & not including the higher models) or something like a 10600k which should be comparable to 3600X(in price) you have listed (altho with a more expensive motherboard)

edit: now im also oddly curious if you cant just scratch this whole build idea altogether and upgrade your GPU and potentially PSU, because the PSU looks like a standard ATX one which can be swapped out for any power supply of your choice

the real question is whether should you, because normally these OEM PSUs have decent enough efficiency except lacking in the GPU power delivery department because they either lack the wattage or the connector pins, if the PSU is like 300W you can just slice in a 1650(super) since a good half of them dont even need a 6pin connector for them and you arent really leaping leagues forward in terms of single core performance coming from a 7700 to 3600X

here is something to consider

https://i.imgur.com/d38UsWi.png

thanks for the in depth reply. alright so a) new gpu and psu or b) new build right? I'm kind of on the fence of just building something new from scratch since i've been working and saving up quite a lot lately and i get pretty terrible frames on this pc and pretty bad input lag (around 130-160 fps on gully mid for example on mastercom low dx95) and upgrading the gpu should in theory not do much since tf2 is cpu bound. so my train of thought is, that my current pc is just a lost cause and upgrading around wont do too much.

edit: on 144hz.
judging from that imgur it would probably be smarter to recycle the i7, could probably also save some if i convert the ram

alright so here we go. swapped out the case and the gpu for some cheaper alternatives
CPU:-
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110-D3A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card
Case: Corsair 110Q ATX Mid Tower Case
Total: €489.67 - reusing my current ram id be at 410€ total

5600X or keep the 7700.
If the goal is better source engine performance why bother upgrading anythng but the CPU (and mobo obviously)?
A new GPU isn't going to magically make TF2 not CPU bound.

Get a good CPU, mobo, maybe RAM if you can afford it (makes selling or reusing the old parts easier as well), reinstall windows, maybe overclock and see how that goes. I guarantee you that reinstalling windows and better RAM (TF2 is weird) will have a larger impact than even an RTX 3090 would have.

#3758
PCMark is not that great, especially not when judging source engine performance. The benchmark thread is much more accurate in that regard.
The PSU is fine, it got two 8 pins. It's an ok design, not some ancient garbage with half the wattage on the +5V rail.

Just updating that I finally built my PC over the weekend, and it works great. The 5600x is averaging about 40C at idle, and 70-80C in-game on the stock cooler and balanced power plan. I'll see if I can get any good deals on coolers for Black Friday, if not, then I'll save my money for upgrading my 1070. Thank you again for all your help.

Looking to complete a build:
Already got case (500dx) hdd, ssd (970 evo plus) and mobo (aorus x570 elite)
Initially was going for a 5600x but we all know how that went
My old pc is really close to dying so I am not sure if i should buy a ryzen 3000 series now or wait for reliable restocks of zen 3
also not sure about the whole ram situation with 5000 series and unsure if i should buy memory before deciding on 3000 or 5000
rough budget for the rest is 800-900€ but I would be okay with stretching for superior performance with a little overpay