my posts: "infinite, you are wrong for reasons x y and z"
infinite's posts: "mustard, you are wrong. fin."
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my posts: "infinite, you are wrong for reasons x y and z"
infinite's posts: "mustard, you are wrong. fin."
infinite's posts: "mustard, you are wrong. fin."
I just don't get why infinite keeps trying to defend himself in a situation where he is obviously in the wrong, and has no chance of convincing anyone else otherwise with his arrogant and demeaning "retorts" if they can be called that. Just stop digging this hole deeper and admit that you fucked up, so that we can actually try to make UGC a better league in general.
I just don't get why infinite keeps trying to defend himself in a situation where he is obviously in the wrong, and has no chance of convincing anyone else otherwise with his arrogant and demeaning "retorts" if they can be called that. Just stop digging this hole deeper and admit that you fucked up, so that we can actually try to make UGC a better league in general.
I just thought of another point to add to this
infinite tried to defend the AC team's legitimacy by pointing to the fact that bans are so rare despite all the people they could target if they were corrupt
doesn't that support the idea of publicly releasing demos? if bans are so rare then either a) there aren't a lot of cheaters to begin with or b) the team is not very effective, so either way showing the public the demos seems fine
adding to that, I just feel like, when hacking is so scarce, it's a lot more important to avoid erring on the side of banning the innocent than to err on the side of not banning hackers
I just thought of another point to add to this
infinite tried to defend the AC team's legitimacy by pointing to the fact that bans are so rare despite all the people they could target if they were corrupt
doesn't that support the idea of publicly releasing demos? if bans are so rare then either a) there aren't a lot of cheaters to begin with or b) the team is not very effective, so either way showing the public the demos seems fine
adding to that, I just feel like, when hacking is so scarce, it's a lot more important to avoid erring on the side of banning the innocent than to err on the side of not banning hackers
infinite tried to defend the AC team's legitimacy by pointing to the fact that bans are so rare despite all the people they could target if they were corrupt
doesn't that support the idea of publicly releasing demos? if bans are so rare then either a) there aren't a lot of cheaters to begin with or b) the team is not very effective, so either way showing the public the demos seems fine
adding to that, I just feel like, when hacking is so scarce, it's a lot more important to avoid erring on the side of banning the innocent than to err on the side of not banning hackers
This is fantastic for Highlander, no two ways around it.
This is fantastic for Highlander, no two ways around it.
If I had to venture a guess. I'd say this league wasn't really built to handle high-level play. Its been a transition that everyone (league admins and players) has made to accommodate the wanted level of gameplay. Now I'm not saying to drop the issue, but beating someones head into the ground over the forums isn't going to make him come out and do what you want. IMHO, The issue now is how will the league deal with cheaters in the future.
If I had to venture a guess. I'd say this league wasn't really built to handle high-level play. Its been a transition that everyone (league admins and players) has made to accommodate the wanted level of gameplay. Now I'm not saying to drop the issue, but beating someones head into the ground over the forums isn't going to make him come out and do what you want. IMHO, The issue now is how will the league deal with cheaters in the future.
well since gotfrag is pretty much back i'm looking forward to some good gotfrag-tier witchhunts
well since gotfrag is pretty much back i'm looking forward to some good gotfrag-tier witchhunts
snakekryptoniteJust want to point out my team seems to be the only one in the top 10 of Platinum (other than bfl) than don't have an invite player on our roster and we could recruit some or form a team with some.
ever heard of bonus?
Bonus tried to get Platinum to play Demo, I don't count them. (Plus firefly is invite, we all know this).
[quote=snakekryptonite]Just want to point out my team seems to be the only one in the top 10 of Platinum (other than bfl) than don't have an invite player on our roster and we could recruit some or form a team with some.
ever heard of bonus?[/quote]
Bonus tried to get Platinum to play Demo, I don't count them. (Plus firefly is invite, we all know this).
ever heard of bonus?[/quote]
Bonus tried to get Platinum to play Demo, I don't count them. (Plus firefly is invite, we all know this).
m4risaI remember you bitching to Hildreth because I gained captaincy for Team USA in the ETF2L Highlander Nations Cup. In return, he asked you for proof regarding the incident in Season 3 of UGC; you were unable to give any proof because there wasn't any fvcking proof.
Actually Infinite sent me a PM asking me to explain the admin teams decision, I chose not to reply because I didn't owe him a response, considering he was actually from Canada.
You are thinking of a time before though when ETF2L began a HL league Marisa was watched closely in her games but we knew we'd never get proof of her hacking as she is being watched and made to upload her demos every game of that season.
The thought in my head at the time was "I don't want to let a possible cheater play in my league" so I went to Infinite requesting the said POV demo, I offered to put him in contact with our AC staff and not myself and he responded with two reasons why, I don't post private conversations but the first reason was reasonable, the 2nd didn't make sense, I sent a reply to reassure him and he didn't respond to it.
That created doubts in my mind and a short while after there was a thread on UGC already mentioned created by a UGC admin, it still exists on the Leader forum in UGC and it was as described, an admin making a public poll with videos of a "suspected hacker". My response on the forum was this:
Hildreth;84326Just want to ask what do UGC think they're going to achieve by having one of their admins post a video of a suspected hacker and use a public poll? Is this poll going to influence decision of whether this player is banned? Is the UGC AC team actually looking / requesting any demos of this player?
All this thread does to me is make me doubt the legitimacy of the UGC AC team.
And the response I got from Infinite was condescending as hell:
infinite-;84333Opinions noted. Thank you o'mighty hildreth and xliv for your words of wisdom and encouragement.
Man that's such a bummer we are a joke! I guess that means I need to go contact all of the 32 teams who joined in the last 20 days to tell them to put clown suits on and join us for a joke-tastic-season.
Anyone know any good jokes? I do!!!
Where was the first frenchfry born??
answer= (in greece!)
Now that is generally the main reason I disliked UGC admins, the condescending way they treat community members for making reasonable criticisms. If I had gone on the forum and acted like Harbleu and Marisa have done on this forum, I could understand why they should lock the thread and forum ban them, but by simply providing feedback I get responses like that. I did write to the head UGC admin Fortnaught with lots of evidence supporting my disatisfaction with the way UGC admins behave to their community members and their attitudes have improved greatly over the past 6 months to be fair to them, haven't seen any reason to complain.
No sir, my complaints with UGC are with the AC team and in the past. Now they have removed the invite cap we will see the skill level improve from EVERYONE including the all-HL player teams like Bonus (minus Firefly the dirty no-good Invite), Blunderful and us of course, league has a brighter future in terms of skill level, perhaps platinum should be restricted to a smaller amount of teams but one leap at a time.
[quote=m4risa]
I remember you bitching to Hildreth because I gained captaincy for Team USA in the ETF2L Highlander Nations Cup. In return, he asked you for proof regarding the incident in Season 3 of UGC; you were unable to give any proof because there wasn't any fvcking proof.
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Actually Infinite sent me a PM asking me to explain the admin teams decision, I chose not to reply because I didn't owe him a response, considering he was actually from Canada.
You are thinking of a time before though when ETF2L began a HL league Marisa was watched closely in her games but we knew we'd never get proof of her hacking as she is being watched and made to upload her demos every game of that season.
The thought in my head at the time was "I don't want to let a possible cheater play in my league" so I went to Infinite requesting the said POV demo, I offered to put him in contact with our AC staff and not myself and he responded with two reasons why, I don't post private conversations but the first reason was reasonable, the 2nd didn't make sense, I sent a reply to reassure him and he didn't respond to it.
That created doubts in my mind and a short while after there was a thread on UGC already mentioned created by a UGC admin, it still exists on the Leader forum in UGC and it was as described, an admin making a public poll with videos of a "suspected hacker". My response on the forum was this:
[QUOTE=Hildreth;84326]Just want to ask what do UGC think they're going to achieve by having one of their admins post a video of a suspected hacker and use a public poll? Is this poll going to influence decision of whether this player is banned? Is the UGC AC team actually looking / requesting any demos of this player?
All this thread does to me is make me doubt the legitimacy of the UGC AC team.[/QUOTE]
And the response I got from Infinite was condescending as hell:
[QUOTE=infinite-;84333]Opinions noted. Thank you o'mighty hildreth and xliv for your words of wisdom and encouragement.
Man that's such a bummer we are a joke! I guess that means I need to go contact all of the 32 teams who joined in the last 20 days to tell them to put clown suits on and join us for a joke-tastic-season.
Anyone know any good jokes? I do!!!
Where was the first frenchfry born??
answer= (in greece!)[/QUOTE]
Now that is generally the main reason I disliked UGC admins, the condescending way they treat community members for making reasonable criticisms. If I had gone on the forum and acted like Harbleu and Marisa have done on this forum, I could understand why they should lock the thread and forum ban them, but by simply providing feedback I get responses like that. I did write to the head UGC admin Fortnaught with lots of evidence supporting my disatisfaction with the way UGC admins behave to their community members and their attitudes have improved greatly over the past 6 months to be fair to them, haven't seen any reason to complain.
No sir, my complaints with UGC are with the AC team and in the past. Now they have removed the invite cap we will see the skill level improve from EVERYONE including the all-HL player teams like Bonus (minus Firefly the dirty no-good Invite), Blunderful and us of course, league has a brighter future in terms of skill level, perhaps platinum should be restricted to a smaller amount of teams but one leap at a time.
I remember you bitching to Hildreth because I gained captaincy for Team USA in the ETF2L Highlander Nations Cup. In return, he asked you for proof regarding the incident in Season 3 of UGC; you were unable to give any proof because there wasn't any fvcking proof.
[/quote]
Actually Infinite sent me a PM asking me to explain the admin teams decision, I chose not to reply because I didn't owe him a response, considering he was actually from Canada.
You are thinking of a time before though when ETF2L began a HL league Marisa was watched closely in her games but we knew we'd never get proof of her hacking as she is being watched and made to upload her demos every game of that season.
The thought in my head at the time was "I don't want to let a possible cheater play in my league" so I went to Infinite requesting the said POV demo, I offered to put him in contact with our AC staff and not myself and he responded with two reasons why, I don't post private conversations but the first reason was reasonable, the 2nd didn't make sense, I sent a reply to reassure him and he didn't respond to it.
That created doubts in my mind and a short while after there was a thread on UGC already mentioned created by a UGC admin, it still exists on the Leader forum in UGC and it was as described, an admin making a public poll with videos of a "suspected hacker". My response on the forum was this:
[QUOTE=Hildreth;84326]Just want to ask what do UGC think they're going to achieve by having one of their admins post a video of a suspected hacker and use a public poll? Is this poll going to influence decision of whether this player is banned? Is the UGC AC team actually looking / requesting any demos of this player?
All this thread does to me is make me doubt the legitimacy of the UGC AC team.[/QUOTE]
And the response I got from Infinite was condescending as hell:
[QUOTE=infinite-;84333]Opinions noted. Thank you o'mighty hildreth and xliv for your words of wisdom and encouragement.
Man that's such a bummer we are a joke! I guess that means I need to go contact all of the 32 teams who joined in the last 20 days to tell them to put clown suits on and join us for a joke-tastic-season.
Anyone know any good jokes? I do!!!
Where was the first frenchfry born??
answer= (in greece!)[/QUOTE]
Now that is generally the main reason I disliked UGC admins, the condescending way they treat community members for making reasonable criticisms. If I had gone on the forum and acted like Harbleu and Marisa have done on this forum, I could understand why they should lock the thread and forum ban them, but by simply providing feedback I get responses like that. I did write to the head UGC admin Fortnaught with lots of evidence supporting my disatisfaction with the way UGC admins behave to their community members and their attitudes have improved greatly over the past 6 months to be fair to them, haven't seen any reason to complain.
No sir, my complaints with UGC are with the AC team and in the past. Now they have removed the invite cap we will see the skill level improve from EVERYONE including the all-HL player teams like Bonus (minus Firefly the dirty no-good Invite), Blunderful and us of course, league has a brighter future in terms of skill level, perhaps platinum should be restricted to a smaller amount of teams but one leap at a time.
I don't understand why the ugc admins use the size and success of their league as a counter-argument for everything bad ever
you know, it's possible that teams could join despite bad admin decisions, right?
I don't understand why the ugc admins use the size and success of their league as a counter-argument for everything bad ever
you know, it's possible that teams could join despite bad admin decisions, right?
you know, it's possible that teams could join despite bad admin decisions, right?
i have no evidence and dont play enough against her to bother with having a concrete opinion, but i'd just like to chime in and say how comical it is that every time a hacker is accused there's some lame excuse about someone else using a computer or shit getting deleted. either provide demos or dont be shocked when people accuse. cant do both.
i have no evidence and dont play enough against her to bother with having a concrete opinion, but i'd just like to chime in and say how comical it is that every time a hacker is accused there's some lame excuse about someone else using a computer or shit getting deleted. either provide demos or dont be shocked when people accuse. cant do both.
It's a dead giveaway considering how unprofessionally the AC team has handled the situation. Retarded posts, terrible method of trying to find out if the community can spot a cheater, immaturity in general regarding the situation, no proof even when it is a league's job to keep that kind of shit. I checked my sent emails where I initially had a link to the demo that got me banned but that went away because megaupload had died. I rage at video games and mindlessly get rid of stuff, all my friends are shown as since 2012. One notable highlander player that I believe I handed over my demo to is Seabass from Gangsta Gang Gaming who won Season 5 of UGC Highlander; I will bug him and see if he still has my POV demo. Just don't act like a dumbass and ask why I do not have a demo so far long after the incident had happened, there is no appeal process for cheating in UGC so I couldn't really give two shits about what happened to it. I did not really think that people would be interested in looking at it or be giving me shit for not having it about one year later.
It's a dead giveaway considering how unprofessionally the AC team has handled the situation. Retarded posts, terrible method of trying to find out if the community can spot a cheater, immaturity in general regarding the situation, no proof even when it is a league's job to keep that kind of shit. I checked my sent emails where I initially had a link to the demo that got me banned but that went away because megaupload had died. I rage at video games and mindlessly get rid of stuff, all my friends are shown as since 2012. One notable highlander player that I believe I handed over my demo to is Seabass from Gangsta Gang Gaming who won Season 5 of UGC Highlander; I will bug him and see if he still has my POV demo. Just don't act like a dumbass and ask why I do not have a demo so far long after the incident had happened, there is no appeal process for cheating in UGC so I couldn't really give two shits about what happened to it. I did not really think that people would be interested in looking at it or be giving me shit for not having it about one year later.
looool. i love new gotfrag. just isnt the same on the other site.
looool. i love new gotfrag. just isnt the same on the other site.
I look forward to playing these teams with invites. Here's to a good season.
I look forward to playing these teams with invites. Here's to a good season.
anyway, Pyro/Sniper looking for invite highlander team to ride
anyway, Pyro/Sniper looking for invite highlander team to ride
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