i trust tftv's opinion more than random twitch streamers and shit
what's the best monitor right now? should i wait for other monitors?
i was never sold on the 240hz thing because i thought they'd make 280hz in the same way they went from 120 to 144, but we got 360hz instead only its seemingly controversial as to whether or not these ones are even better than the 240 ones.
do i just have to wait it out until theres a definitive best or what? if you have used 360 or 240hz monitors please tell me how you found the experience vs 144
i trust tftv's opinion more than random twitch streamers and shit
what's the best monitor right now? should i wait for other monitors?
i was never sold on the 240hz thing because i thought they'd make 280hz in the same way they went from 120 to 144, but we got 360hz instead only its seemingly controversial as to whether or not these ones are even better than the 240 ones.
do i just have to wait it out until theres a definitive best or what? if you have used 360 or 240hz monitors please tell me how you found the experience vs 144
if you care about motion blur, check out https://blurbusters.com/faq/120hz-monitors/
i can't see a big difference beyond 144hz.
i opted for a 144hz 1440p monitor, which has been amazingly helpful for hitscan, particularly sniper for me
like scrambled said, blur is the biggest issue with current monitors imo
i can't see a big difference beyond 144hz.
i opted for a 144hz 1440p monitor, which has been amazingly helpful for hitscan, particularly sniper for me
like scrambled said, blur is the biggest issue with current monitors imo
KevinIsPwni can't see a big difference beyond 144hz.
i opted for a 144hz 1440p monitor, which has been amazingly helpful for hitscan, particularly sniper for me
like scrambled said, blur is the biggest issue with current monitors imo
do you think the resolution has practical benefits moreso than just aesthetics?
[quote=KevinIsPwn]i can't see a big difference beyond 144hz.
i opted for a 144hz 1440p monitor, which has been amazingly helpful for hitscan, particularly sniper for me
like scrambled said, blur is the biggest issue with current monitors imo[/quote]
do you think the resolution has practical benefits moreso than just aesthetics?
funhaver1998KevinIsPwni can't see a big difference beyond 144hz.
i opted for a 144hz 1440p monitor, which has been amazingly helpful for hitscan, particularly sniper for me
like scrambled said, blur is the biggest issue with current monitors imo
do you think the resolution has practical benefits moreso than just aesthetics?
more desktop space for non gaming stuff
[quote=funhaver1998][quote=KevinIsPwn]i can't see a big difference beyond 144hz.
i opted for a 144hz 1440p monitor, which has been amazingly helpful for hitscan, particularly sniper for me
like scrambled said, blur is the biggest issue with current monitors imo[/quote]
do you think the resolution has practical benefits moreso than just aesthetics?[/quote]
more desktop space for non gaming stuff
funhaver1998KevinIsPwni can't see a big difference beyond 144hz.
i opted for a 144hz 1440p monitor, which has been amazingly helpful for hitscan, particularly sniper for me
like scrambled said, blur is the biggest issue with current monitors imo
do you think the resolution has practical benefits moreso than just aesthetics?
totally depends on your use case: higher resolution is nice for multitasking and photography/video editing but won't help you with tf2 obviously
blur is definitely the main factor in buying a new monitor, I have the 'blur busters approved' viewsonic xg270 and it's great, can definitely tell the difference between 144 and 240hz and the lack of blur makes hitscan so much easier (there was some thread a bit ago about limiting it to 120hz with strobing for 'extra clarity' or whatever but I like the smoothness of 240 and it's already clear enough for me)
another consideration is if you have multiple monitors, what size/resolution you want: I had a 24 inch and 27 inch 1080p monitor and it was a bit weird having the mouse jump up and down, ow I have two 27 inch monitors but one with higher res and 60hz and I use this program to make the mouse cursor move between them as if they're the same res
[quote=funhaver1998][quote=KevinIsPwn]i can't see a big difference beyond 144hz.
i opted for a 144hz 1440p monitor, which has been amazingly helpful for hitscan, particularly sniper for me
like scrambled said, blur is the biggest issue with current monitors imo[/quote]
do you think the resolution has practical benefits moreso than just aesthetics?[/quote]
totally depends on your use case: higher resolution is nice for multitasking and photography/video editing but won't help you with tf2 obviously
blur is definitely the main factor in buying a new monitor, I have the 'blur busters approved' viewsonic xg270 and it's great, can definitely tell the difference between 144 and 240hz and the lack of blur makes hitscan so much easier (there was some thread a bit ago about limiting it to 120hz with strobing for 'extra clarity' or whatever but I like the smoothness of 240 and it's already clear enough for me)
another consideration is if you have multiple monitors, what size/resolution you want: I had a 24 inch and 27 inch 1080p monitor and it was a bit weird having the mouse jump up and down, ow I have two 27 inch monitors but one with higher res and 60hz and I use [url=https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse]this program[/url] to make the mouse cursor move between them as if they're the same res
i think i just want the smoothest monitor ideally that doesnt have bad colours i dont think i care for videowork or gaming res. even in non-competitive games i play them on 720p lowest graphics even tho i can play ultra
the 360hz sounded obv until i saw the ghosting thing
the plan is to have 2 monitors, a 4k one for movies and then a gaming one thats all about performance and switch between the two
i think i just want the smoothest monitor ideally that doesnt have bad colours i dont think i care for videowork or gaming res. even in non-competitive games i play them on 720p lowest graphics even tho i can play ultra
the 360hz sounded obv until i saw the ghosting thing
the plan is to have 2 monitors, a 4k one for movies and then a gaming one thats all about performance and switch between the two
360 hz is an overkill
240 hz are usually expensive or if you go too low they only have freesync without ability to use overdrive
good 144 hz might be approaching the price range of cheaper 240 hz monitors
my advice for you is to look at the monitors for the budget you have and look for sales, i personally was able to get 240 hz acer xf252q (i highly recommend it btw) for about 230 euros so you might have some luck in shopping for a monitor too
360 hz is an overkill
240 hz are usually expensive or if you go too low they only have freesync without ability to use overdrive
good 144 hz might be approaching the price range of cheaper 240 hz monitors
my advice for you is to look at the monitors for the budget you have and look for sales, i personally was able to get 240 hz acer xf252q (i highly recommend it btw) for about 230 euros so you might have some luck in shopping for a monitor too
thank u but the budget isnt an issue i dont mind paying for 360 hz if it really is the best thing out there for quake/tf2/whatever competitive game that i'm playing, even if its only a little bit better than 240hz, i just want the best shit.
360hz SOUNDS like it would be the best shit - but ive been told it has problems and some people have even said its not even real 360hz its just a marketing thing at the moment, but the thing is with gamers who aren't tf2 gamers is that they care about the way shit looks.
i watched Shroud's video on it and hes talking about casual gamer shit like how the monitor helps his stream and other bullshit like that when i want some concrete real shit answers and then I decided the only communities that are gonna give me real shit answers are tf2/quake players cause everyone else has casual ass motives
thank u but the budget isnt an issue i dont mind paying for 360 hz if it really is the best thing out there for quake/tf2/whatever competitive game that i'm playing, even if its only a little bit better than 240hz, i just want the best shit.
360hz SOUNDS like it would be the best shit - but ive been told it has problems and some people have even said its not even real 360hz its just a marketing thing at the moment, but the thing is with gamers who aren't tf2 gamers is that they care about the way shit looks.
i watched Shroud's video on it and hes talking about casual gamer shit like how the monitor helps his stream and other bullshit like that when i want some concrete real shit answers and then I decided the only communities that are gonna give me real shit answers are tf2/quake players cause everyone else has casual ass motives
funhaver1998do you think the resolution has practical benefits moreso than just aesthetics?
for non-gaming, yes. 1440p is a minimum for me with new displays.
for tf2, i find it much easier to play with a crisper, more easily decipherable image. it's not an objective upgrade (see: b4nny res works real good for him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯), but a preference. my preference is being able to easily see anything, even if it's super far away (like on process seeing a sniper on their second deep from their mid forward spawn, for example)
i'm also able to run 1440p games at 144fps+ constant because i'm lucky to have a great pc (video editing freelance work necessity). in teamfights (or god forbit pubs) most machines won't quite get there unless your specs are pretty balled out
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re: 240hz v 360hz, you are pretty deep into diminishing returns at that point. the jump from 120 to 240 is way more pronounced than the jump from 240 to 360, even though it's the same amount of additional frames per second. frame times start to get way way closer
60 fps 16.7ms per frame
120 fps 8.3ms per frame (~8 ms improvement, huge deal)
240 fps 4.2 ms per frame (~4 ms improvement, p good improvement)
360 fps 2.8ms per frame (~2 ms improvement. meh)
480 fps 2.2 ms per frame (hypothetical, ~1 ms improvement, rofl)
keeping in mind that peak, absolute-best reaction time for humans is like 100ms, it's getting to a point of almost no real-world benefit
[quote=funhaver1998]do you think the resolution has practical benefits moreso than just aesthetics?[/quote]
for non-gaming, yes. 1440p is a minimum for me with new displays.
for tf2, i find it much easier to play with a crisper, more easily decipherable image. it's not an objective upgrade (see: b4nny res works real good for him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯), but a preference. my preference is being able to easily see anything, even if it's super far away (like on process seeing a sniper on their second deep from their mid forward spawn, for example)
i'm also able to run 1440p games at 144fps+ constant because i'm lucky to have a great pc (video editing freelance work necessity). in teamfights (or god forbit pubs) most machines won't quite get there unless your specs are pretty balled out
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re: 240hz v 360hz, you are pretty deep into diminishing returns at that point. the jump from 120 to 240 is way more pronounced than the jump from 240 to 360, even though it's the same amount of additional frames per second. frame times start to get way way closer
[code]60 fps 16.7ms per frame
120 fps 8.3ms per frame (~8 ms improvement, huge deal)
240 fps 4.2 ms per frame (~4 ms improvement, p good improvement)
360 fps 2.8ms per frame (~2 ms improvement. meh)
480 fps 2.2 ms per frame (hypothetical, ~1 ms improvement, rofl)[/code]
keeping in mind that peak, absolute-best reaction time for humans is like 100ms, it's getting to a point of almost no real-world benefit
Yall crazy nothing wrong with 60hz when the eye can only see 14 fps (hz) anyway
Yall crazy nothing wrong with 60hz when the eye can only see 14 fps (hz) anyway
buudYall crazy nothing wrong with 60hz when the eye can only see 14 fps (hz) anyway
>:(
[quote=buud]Yall crazy nothing wrong with 60hz when the eye can only see 14 fps (hz) anyway[/quote]
>:(
The best monitor for gaming right now is the BenQ XL2546K. It's used at every CS:GO Major because of how little motion blur it has compared to every other monitor in the market. It is a 240hz monitor, but it's motion clarity is more important then having 360hz.
https://i.imgur.com/ddZF1uX.png
The best monitor for gaming right now is the BenQ XL2546K. It's used at every CS:GO Major because of how little motion blur it has compared to every other monitor in the market. It is a 240hz monitor, but it's motion clarity is more important then having 360hz. [img]https://i.imgur.com/ddZF1uX.png[/img]
I will say that with the high purexp (motion blur reduction) setting the monitor does get fairly dim, so if the BenQ gets brighter while maintaining the blur reduction it's probably the move. I will say tho that the 27 inch is pretty nice and the colors on the xg270 are very good (I have a color calibrated ips second monitor and honestly cannot tell the difference)
I also like the fact that it has little mouse/keyboard bungees and a little headphone holder thing that swings out from the left side, but if you want the pure performance I'm sure the csgo neets know what's truly the best
edit: looks like divineAT above me edited it out but he said something along the lines of the BenQ having an advantage with ~400 nits vs 200 of xg270, maybe that's not accurate?
I will say that with the high purexp (motion blur reduction) setting the monitor does get fairly dim, so if the BenQ gets brighter while maintaining the blur reduction it's probably the move. I will say tho that the 27 inch is pretty nice and the colors on the xg270 are very good (I have a color calibrated ips second monitor and honestly cannot tell the difference)
I also like the fact that it has little mouse/keyboard bungees and a little headphone holder thing that swings out from the left side, but if you want the pure performance I'm sure the csgo neets know what's truly the best
edit: looks like divineAT above me edited it out but he said something along the lines of the BenQ having an advantage with ~400 nits vs 200 of xg270, maybe that's not accurate?
bearodactyledit: looks like divineAT above me edited it out but he said something along the lines of the BenQ having an advantage with ~400 nits vs 200 of xg270, maybe that's not accurate?
Yeah I was thinking of a different monitor, my bad.
[quote=bearodactyl]
edit: looks like divineAT above me edited it out but he said something along the lines of the BenQ having an advantage with ~400 nits vs 200 of xg270, maybe that's not accurate?[/quote]
Yeah I was thinking of a different monitor, my bad.
BenQ 24,5" ZOWIE XL2546K
- 24,5" FHD
- TN-panel
- 240Hz, 1ms(GTG)
- DyAc+
The Dyac thing, ive heard prevents ghosting massively. Heard really good feedback.
You could go for 360 hz panel as well, beavern has that in combination with razer 8k. I can only imagine how smooth the curson on his screen looks
Also: https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_rog_swift_360hz_pg259qn/lag.png
Avoid first generation (~2017-2018) 240Hz monitors as they have higher signal and response time latencies than second generation (~2019-2020) monitors. Examples of common 1st generation monitors:
Acer XF250Q
Dell AW2518Hf
ASUS XG248/258Q
ASUS PG248/258Q
BenQ XL2540/2546
ViewSonic XG2530
2nd generation monitors are usually the same price so there’s little point in buying 1st generation monitors. Some examples of gen. 2 monitors:
Acer XF252Q
Omen X 25f
Asus VG259QM
Asus VG279QM
If you can afford them, consider the 360Hz monitors for their lower signal and response times compared to 240Hz monitors:
Asus PG259QN
Dell AW2521H
Monitor review sites with latency measurements (do not compare latency measurements from different sources due to differing test methods)
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/archive/
BenQ 24,5" ZOWIE XL2546K
- 24,5" FHD
- TN-panel
- 240Hz, 1ms(GTG)
- DyAc+
The Dyac thing, ive heard prevents ghosting massively. Heard really good feedback.
You could go for 360 hz panel as well, beavern has that in combination with razer 8k. I can only imagine how smooth the curson on his screen looks
Also: https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_rog_swift_360hz_pg259qn/lag.png
Avoid first generation (~2017-2018) 240Hz monitors as they have higher signal and response time latencies than second generation (~2019-2020) monitors. Examples of common 1st generation monitors:
Acer XF250Q
Dell AW2518Hf
ASUS XG248/258Q
ASUS PG248/258Q
BenQ XL2540/2546
ViewSonic XG2530
2nd generation monitors are usually the same price so there’s little point in buying 1st generation monitors. Some examples of gen. 2 monitors:
Acer XF252Q
Omen X 25f
Asus VG259QM
Asus VG279QM
If you can afford them, consider the 360Hz monitors for their lower signal and response times compared to 240Hz monitors:
Asus PG259QN
Dell AW2521H
Monitor review sites with latency measurements (do not compare latency measurements from different sources due to differing test methods)
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/archive/
funny thing about the benq xl2546k, its biggest selling point is obviously dyac but I'm actually not sure what % of those aforementioned csgo pros even use it, which makes me wonder if they just use it because of sponsorship/lan standardization/those weird side screens to block out distractions from the crowd and stuff
it may still be worth it to turn on dyac with that monitor, just something I've been curious about
funny thing about the benq xl2546k, its biggest selling point is obviously dyac but I'm actually not sure what % of those aforementioned csgo pros even use it, which makes me wonder if they just use it because of sponsorship/lan standardization/those weird side screens to block out distractions from the crowd and stuff
it may still be worth it to turn on dyac with that monitor, just something I've been curious about
i think im just gonna accept the benq monitor to be the best atm, better than the 360hz, but zowie did tweet they are working on a 360hz that is better than current gen in september. im upgrading everything once the new cpus/gpus launch so it should be a year after that tweet + a couple of months and it makes sense to try and wait that out
thank u wveryone
i think im just gonna accept the benq monitor to be the best atm, better than the 360hz, but zowie did tweet they are working on a 360hz that is better than current gen in september. im upgrading everything once the new cpus/gpus launch so it should be a year after that tweet + a couple of months and it makes sense to try and wait that out
thank u wveryone
if u want a good monitor now u might as well just get it now tbh, if you wait for new releases you may end up wasting your time when it turns out the benq 360hz isn't actually good w/ ghosting or is way overpriced (but u do u)
if u want a good monitor now u might as well just get it now tbh, if you wait for new releases you may end up wasting your time when it turns out the benq 360hz isn't actually good w/ ghosting or is way overpriced (but u do u)
you might want to look into the benq zowie xl2540k a model that is basically the xl2546k without the silly side shields.
you might want to look into the benq zowie xl2540k a model that is basically the xl2546k without the silly side shields.