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ESEA S15 NA Open Happenings/Predictions
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[quote=mes]iw anna win
#hardwork
#dedication
#roadtoeseas15[/quote]
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#hardwork
#dedication
#roadtoeseas15[/quote]
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cash*not actually an offclass team*
http://play.esea.net/teams/77257
i like that team name
[quote=cash]*not actually an offclass team*
http://play.esea.net/teams/77257[/quote]
i like that team name
http://play.esea.net/teams/77257[/quote]
i like that team name
i scrimmed with clorg once and he played pretty much every class except scout he was pretty good
sentry play 7/10 heavy play 8/10 spy play 0/10 spotted immediately pyro play i forget
i scrimmed with clorg once and he played pretty much every class except scout he was pretty good
sentry play 7/10 heavy play 8/10 spy play 0/10 spotted immediately pyro play i forget
sentry play 7/10 heavy play 8/10 spy play 0/10 spotted immediately pyro play i forget
cabinclorg is a q t.
I promised my team I wouldn't blow playoff matches to go to hooters again
[quote=cabin]clorg is a q t.[/quote]
I promised my team I wouldn't blow playoff matches to go to hooters again
I promised my team I wouldn't blow playoff matches to go to hooters again
those hooters girls were pretty ugly clorg, you goofed nigga.
those hooters girls were pretty ugly clorg, you goofed nigga.
I look forward to more of Owl's writings. Keep up the good work.
I look forward to more of Owl's writings. Keep up the good work.
Budsquad writeup. I wrote half of this yesterday and half this morning, so please ignore any glaring logical inconsistencies from the first half to the second.
BUDSQUAD
Soldiers: Seanbud, powah
Demo: Lange
Medic: WhiskerBiscuit
Scouts: ????, Star
Ok, so let
Budsquad writeup. I wrote half of this yesterday and half this morning, so please ignore any glaring logical inconsistencies from the first half to the second.
BUDSQUAD
Soldiers: Seanbud, powah
Demo: Lange
Medic: WhiskerBiscuit
Scouts: ????, Star
Ok, so let
BUDSQUAD
Soldiers: Seanbud, powah
Demo: Lange
Medic: WhiskerBiscuit
Scouts: ????, Star
Ok, so let
Mr_Owllegitimately, it seems pretty silly to me. I'm sure I'll come off as whining or whatever, and that's fine, but it's frustrating to build a team over the course of a couple seasons, and finally have a chance to be in the top tier of open, and teams like the budteam, mesr's team, etc. come in and are immediately going to be right there. And in terms of their straight level of play, they likely belong at the top of open, but it really takes away a lot of the incentive to build a team from the group up.
I get that the rules are that teams have to have a season in open before moving up, but with the new move to main, why not move every open playoff team + these 3-4 'offclass' teams to IM to play with the current low/mid IM teams that were left behind from last season? Having scrimmed a pretty good number of the current open playoff teams, plus some of the current low-IM teams and some of the new offclass teams, they're all pretty close in terms of skill level*. That'd help flesh out the new IM and still allow Main to be populated with 8-12 teams who are close to equal. This upcoming season is a pretty unique opportunity to start all four divisions on the right path for continued success rather than the lopsided messes that we currently have in open especially.
*yes I know that scrims are not the most accurate representation of skill level, given that teams scrim to try out strats and not to win, but you can still get a pretty good sense of DM and coordination from them.
I don't know how you could force people to play in a division that they don't want to play in. Sometimes people want to try new things and have a little fun in Open - and I think we're going a little too far if we're looking to take that aspect of the game away from them.
An alternative solution to this problem would be if those "invite pugteams" were to seize existing IM rosters (and there are a few of them left). The issue with this is that they have to follow the ESEA hijack rule - and there are some good reasons as to why this is a bad idea for their purposes.
There will always be teams in every division that do not belong there. That's life, and I don't know if revising the rulebook to deal with 3-4 specific teams this season is a good idea.
The last three seasons of Open had the exact same problem - and we still saw some "original material" make it into IM despite having a few stacked teams in the way.
Rent-A-Homies, Tonight's Entertainment, Disposable Heroes, Street Hoops, TA railroad, Sunday Funday, and a few others were all promoted out of Open against the odds.
[quote=Mr_Owl]legitimately, it seems pretty silly to me. I'm sure I'll come off as whining or whatever, and that's fine, but it's frustrating to build a team over the course of a couple seasons, and finally have a chance to be in the top tier of open, and teams like the budteam, mesr's team, etc. come in and are immediately going to be right there. And in terms of their straight level of play, they likely belong at the top of open, but it really takes away a lot of the incentive to build a team from the group up.
I get that the rules are that teams have to have a season in open before moving up, but with the new move to main, why not move every open playoff team + these 3-4 'offclass' teams to IM to play with the current low/mid IM teams that were left behind from last season? Having scrimmed a pretty good number of the current open playoff teams, plus some of the current low-IM teams and some of the new offclass teams, they're all pretty close in terms of skill level*. That'd help flesh out the new IM and still allow Main to be populated with 8-12 teams who are close to equal. This upcoming season is a pretty unique opportunity to start all four divisions on the right path for continued success rather than the lopsided messes that we currently have in open especially.
*yes I know that scrims are not the most accurate representation of skill level, given that teams scrim to try out strats and not to win, but you can still get a pretty good sense of DM and coordination from them.[/quote]
I don't know how you could force people to play in a division that they don't want to play in. Sometimes people want to try new things and have a little fun in Open - and I think we're going a little too far if we're looking to take that aspect of the game away from them.
An alternative solution to this problem would be if those "invite pugteams" were to seize existing IM rosters (and there are a few of them left). The issue with this is that they have to follow the ESEA hijack rule - and there are some good reasons as to why this is a bad idea for their purposes.
There will always be teams in every division that do not belong there. That's life, and I don't know if revising the rulebook to deal with 3-4 specific teams this season is a good idea.
The last three seasons of Open had the exact same problem - and we still saw some "original material" make it into IM despite having a few stacked teams in the way.
Rent-A-Homies, Tonight's Entertainment, Disposable Heroes, Street Hoops, TA railroad, Sunday Funday, and a few others were all promoted out of Open against the odds.
I get that the rules are that teams have to have a season in open before moving up, but with the new move to main, why not move every open playoff team + these 3-4 'offclass' teams to IM to play with the current low/mid IM teams that were left behind from last season? Having scrimmed a pretty good number of the current open playoff teams, plus some of the current low-IM teams and some of the new offclass teams, they're all pretty close in terms of skill level*. That'd help flesh out the new IM and still allow Main to be populated with 8-12 teams who are close to equal. This upcoming season is a pretty unique opportunity to start all four divisions on the right path for continued success rather than the lopsided messes that we currently have in open especially.
*yes I know that scrims are not the most accurate representation of skill level, given that teams scrim to try out strats and not to win, but you can still get a pretty good sense of DM and coordination from them.[/quote]
I don't know how you could force people to play in a division that they don't want to play in. Sometimes people want to try new things and have a little fun in Open - and I think we're going a little too far if we're looking to take that aspect of the game away from them.
An alternative solution to this problem would be if those "invite pugteams" were to seize existing IM rosters (and there are a few of them left). The issue with this is that they have to follow the ESEA hijack rule - and there are some good reasons as to why this is a bad idea for their purposes.
There will always be teams in every division that do not belong there. That's life, and I don't know if revising the rulebook to deal with 3-4 specific teams this season is a good idea.
The last three seasons of Open had the exact same problem - and we still saw some "original material" make it into IM despite having a few stacked teams in the way.
Rent-A-Homies, Tonight's Entertainment, Disposable Heroes, Street Hoops, TA railroad, Sunday Funday, and a few others were all promoted out of Open against the odds.
radiumMr_Owllegitimately, it seems pretty silly to me. I'm sure I'll come off as whining or whatever, and that's fine, but it's frustrating to build a team over the course of a couple seasons, and finally have a chance to be in the top tier of open, and teams like the budteam, mesr's team, etc. come in and are immediately going to be right there. And in terms of their straight level of play, they likely belong at the top of open, but it really takes away a lot of the incentive to build a team from the group up.
I get that the rules are that teams have to have a season in open before moving up, but with the new move to main, why not move every open playoff team + these 3-4 'offclass' teams to IM to play with the current low/mid IM teams that were left behind from last season? Having scrimmed a pretty good number of the current open playoff teams, plus some of the current low-IM teams and some of the new offclass teams, they're all pretty close in terms of skill level*. That'd help flesh out the new IM and still allow Main to be populated with 8-12 teams who are close to equal. This upcoming season is a pretty unique opportunity to start all four divisions on the right path for continued success rather than the lopsided messes that we currently have in open especially.
*yes I know that scrims are not the most accurate representation of skill level, given that teams scrim to try out strats and not to win, but you can still get a pretty good sense of DM and coordination from them.
I don't know how you could force people to play in a division that they don't want to play in. Sometimes people want to try new things and have a little fun in Open - and I think we're going a little too far if we're looking to take that aspect of the game away from them.
An alternative solution to this problem would be if those "invite pugteams" were to seize existing IM rosters (and there are a few of them left). The issue with this is that they have to follow the ESEA hijack rule - and there are some good reasons as to why this is a bad idea for their purposes.
There will always be teams in any specific division that do not belong there. That's life, and I don't know if revising the rulebook to deal with 3-4 specific teams this season is a good idea.
The last three seasons of Open had the exact same problem - and we still saw some "original material" make it into IM as a full team.
Honestly, my opinion has changed some since I made this post. At the time there were wild rumors floating around teams that were going to be formed in open that would have been far better than the teams that have actually formed. Having seen most of these teams in action, they will be decent (read: playoff) open teams that will by no means run away with the division. There's no 'superteam' that I see that will take open by storm.
[quote=radium][quote=Mr_Owl]legitimately, it seems pretty silly to me. I'm sure I'll come off as whining or whatever, and that's fine, but it's frustrating to build a team over the course of a couple seasons, and finally have a chance to be in the top tier of open, and teams like the budteam, mesr's team, etc. come in and are immediately going to be right there. And in terms of their straight level of play, they likely belong at the top of open, but it really takes away a lot of the incentive to build a team from the group up.
I get that the rules are that teams have to have a season in open before moving up, but with the new move to main, why not move every open playoff team + these 3-4 'offclass' teams to IM to play with the current low/mid IM teams that were left behind from last season? Having scrimmed a pretty good number of the current open playoff teams, plus some of the current low-IM teams and some of the new offclass teams, they're all pretty close in terms of skill level*. That'd help flesh out the new IM and still allow Main to be populated with 8-12 teams who are close to equal. This upcoming season is a pretty unique opportunity to start all four divisions on the right path for continued success rather than the lopsided messes that we currently have in open especially.
*yes I know that scrims are not the most accurate representation of skill level, given that teams scrim to try out strats and not to win, but you can still get a pretty good sense of DM and coordination from them.[/quote]
I don't know how you could force people to play in a division that they don't want to play in. Sometimes people want to try new things and have a little fun in Open - and I think we're going a little too far if we're looking to take that aspect of the game away from them.
An alternative solution to this problem would be if those "invite pugteams" were to seize existing IM rosters (and there are a few of them left). The issue with this is that they have to follow the ESEA hijack rule - and there are some good reasons as to why this is a bad idea for their purposes.
There will always be teams in any specific division that do not belong there. That's life, and I don't know if revising the rulebook to deal with 3-4 specific teams this season is a good idea.
The last three seasons of Open had the exact same problem - and we still saw some "original material" make it into IM as a full team.[/quote]
Honestly, my opinion has changed some since I made this post. At the time there were wild rumors floating around teams that were going to be formed in open that would have been far better than the teams that have actually formed. Having seen most of these teams in action, they will be decent (read: playoff) open teams that will by no means run away with the division. There's no 'superteam' that I see that will take open by storm.
I get that the rules are that teams have to have a season in open before moving up, but with the new move to main, why not move every open playoff team + these 3-4 'offclass' teams to IM to play with the current low/mid IM teams that were left behind from last season? Having scrimmed a pretty good number of the current open playoff teams, plus some of the current low-IM teams and some of the new offclass teams, they're all pretty close in terms of skill level*. That'd help flesh out the new IM and still allow Main to be populated with 8-12 teams who are close to equal. This upcoming season is a pretty unique opportunity to start all four divisions on the right path for continued success rather than the lopsided messes that we currently have in open especially.
*yes I know that scrims are not the most accurate representation of skill level, given that teams scrim to try out strats and not to win, but you can still get a pretty good sense of DM and coordination from them.[/quote]
I don't know how you could force people to play in a division that they don't want to play in. Sometimes people want to try new things and have a little fun in Open - and I think we're going a little too far if we're looking to take that aspect of the game away from them.
An alternative solution to this problem would be if those "invite pugteams" were to seize existing IM rosters (and there are a few of them left). The issue with this is that they have to follow the ESEA hijack rule - and there are some good reasons as to why this is a bad idea for their purposes.
There will always be teams in any specific division that do not belong there. That's life, and I don't know if revising the rulebook to deal with 3-4 specific teams this season is a good idea.
The last three seasons of Open had the exact same problem - and we still saw some "original material" make it into IM as a full team.[/quote]
Honestly, my opinion has changed some since I made this post. At the time there were wild rumors floating around teams that were going to be formed in open that would have been far better than the teams that have actually formed. Having seen most of these teams in action, they will be decent (read: playoff) open teams that will by no means run away with the division. There's no 'superteam' that I see that will take open by storm.
Damn Radium you're responding to an old ass post. :P
Damn Radium you're responding to an old ass post. :P
Tery, you're next up, my man. I felt like we've played each other so much over the last two seasons that I was a little picky on your team's faults, but hopefully I did you guys justice.
Chilling in North Korea
Soldiers: Deep, Abstand
Demo: jodd
Medic: Tery_S9ne
Scouts: Brownstone, Joshin
Winners of the
Tery, you're next up, my man. I felt like we've played each other so much over the last two seasons that I was a little picky on your team's faults, but hopefully I did you guys justice.
Chilling in North Korea
Soldiers: Deep, Abstand
Demo: jodd
Medic: Tery_S9ne
Scouts: Brownstone, Joshin
Winners of the
Chilling in North Korea
Soldiers: Deep, Abstand
Demo: jodd
Medic: Tery_S9ne
Scouts: Brownstone, Joshin
Winners of the
Not sure why everyone thinks these "super" open teams will automatically come in and dominate. Most of these teams are comprised of a group of friends from several different teams. For our team, i know all the guys i am playing with, but have only ever been on a team with cringe...and that was like 10 seasons ago. No team will just instantly gel together. We've had 3 scrims with our full roster so far, and we went 2-1...and none of the games were a blowout. We've also switched players on positions in all 3 games trying to figure out who fits what role best since we have all multi-classed in prior teams.
I would also bet most of these teams are coming into open to simply have a chance to play together and have fun. I don't think anyone's agenda was to come in and wreck open teams just to be assholes.
Not sure why everyone thinks these "super" open teams will automatically come in and dominate. Most of these teams are comprised of a group of friends from several different teams. For our team, i know all the guys i am playing with, but have only ever been on a team with cringe...and that was like 10 seasons ago. No team will just instantly gel together. We've had 3 scrims with our full roster so far, and we went 2-1...and none of the games were a blowout. We've also switched players on positions in all 3 games trying to figure out who fits what role best since we have all multi-classed in prior teams.
I would also bet most of these teams are coming into open to simply have a chance to play together and have fun. I don't think anyone's agenda was to come in and wreck open teams just to be assholes.
I would also bet most of these teams are coming into open to simply have a chance to play together and have fun. I don't think anyone's agenda was to come in and wreck open teams just to be assholes.
I feel the same way about our team phaser. We've been trying people on different positions and just learning to gel together as a team. I can now say that they are all like brothers (and sisters) too me. I can't wait to play out this season.
I feel the same way about our team phaser. We've been trying people on different positions and just learning to gel together as a team. I can now say that they are all like brothers (and sisters) too me. I can't wait to play out this season.
PhaserNot sure why everyone thinks these "super" open teams will automatically come in and dominate.
i agree, a lot of these teams are "scary" at first glance but really its not going to be a big deal. Street Hoops proved during the postseason that if you take shit seriously and practice diligently you can go far.
[quote=Phaser]Not sure why everyone thinks these "super" open teams will automatically come in and dominate.[/quote]
i agree, a lot of these teams are "scary" at first glance but really its not going to be a big deal. Street Hoops proved during the postseason that if you take shit seriously and practice diligently you can go far.
i agree, a lot of these teams are "scary" at first glance but really its not going to be a big deal. Street Hoops proved during the postseason that if you take shit seriously and practice diligently you can go far.
london_callingi agree, a lot of these teams are "scary" at first glance but really its not going to be a big deal. Street Hoops proved during the postseason that if you take shit seriously and practice diligently you can go far.
yeah this right here, I mean most of these teams are offclassing anyways, and even if they weren't I don't think I would mind because thats how you improve, playing people better then you.
[quote=london_calling]
i agree, a lot of these teams are "scary" at first glance but really its not going to be a big deal. Street Hoops proved during the postseason that if you take shit seriously and practice diligently you can go far.[/quote]
yeah this right here, I mean most of these teams are offclassing anyways, and even if they weren't I don't think I would mind because thats how you improve, playing people better then you.
i agree, a lot of these teams are "scary" at first glance but really its not going to be a big deal. Street Hoops proved during the postseason that if you take shit seriously and practice diligently you can go far.[/quote]
yeah this right here, I mean most of these teams are offclassing anyways, and even if they weren't I don't think I would mind because thats how you improve, playing people better then you.
Mr_OwlBudsquad writeup. I wrote half of this yesterday and half this morning, On medic is WhiskerBiscuit, streamer extraordinaire. Whisker is a decent medic, but he seems to rely a lot on seanbud to keep him in position, and when the calls aren
[quote=Mr_Owl]Budsquad writeup. I wrote half of this yesterday and half this morning, On medic is WhiskerBiscuit, streamer extraordinaire. Whisker is a decent medic, but he seems to rely a lot on seanbud to keep him in position, and when the calls aren
Like I said in a previous post, I don't think people are upset so much as they are just new to the way this all works. With the large series of move-ups for the last two seasons, there are some players in that 'high open' group (myself included, if it's not too arrogant to consider my team high open) who have only been playing for a season or two and just haven't seen some of these previous 'superteams' that have fizzled out or have been beaten out by actual open players.
Add to that the lack of any of these teams in S14 and the apparent glut of them for this season, and people are a little apprehensive. HOWEVER, as teams have started to scrim a little more, it's become apparent that these superteams are definitely beatable by those who are dedicated enough to do so.
It's pretty clear that most of the posts arguing that the offclassing teams should be moved up are by people like myself with relatively little experience, and the people saying we should wait it out and just play (the proper course of action, now that I've seen some teams play) are the ones who have been around and seen all of this before.
Bear with us, we're still new at this and we're trying to figure it all out.
Like I said in a previous post, I don't think people are upset so much as they are just new to the way this all works. With the large series of move-ups for the last two seasons, there are some players in that 'high open' group (myself included, if it's not too arrogant to consider my team high open) who have only been playing for a season or two and just haven't seen some of these previous 'superteams' that have fizzled out or have been beaten out by actual open players.
Add to that the lack of any of these teams in S14 and the apparent glut of them for this season, and people are a little apprehensive. HOWEVER, as teams have started to scrim a little more, it's become apparent that these superteams are definitely beatable by those who are dedicated enough to do so.
It's pretty clear that most of the posts arguing that the offclassing teams should be moved up are by people like myself with relatively little experience, and the people saying we should wait it out and just play (the proper course of action, now that I've seen some teams play) are the ones who have been around and seen all of this before.
Bear with us, we're still new at this and we're trying to figure it all out.
Add to that the lack of any of these teams in S14 and the apparent glut of them for this season, and people are a little apprehensive. HOWEVER, as teams have started to scrim a little more, it's become apparent that these superteams are definitely beatable by those who are dedicated enough to do so.
It's pretty clear that most of the posts arguing that the offclassing teams should be moved up are by people like myself with relatively little experience, and the people saying we should wait it out and just play (the proper course of action, now that I've seen some teams play) are the ones who have been around and seen all of this before.
Bear with us, we're still new at this and we're trying to figure it all out.
timesthelegallimitMr_OwlBudsquad writeup. I wrote half of this yesterday and half this morning, On medic is WhiskerBiscuit, streamer extraordinaire. Whisker is a decent medic, but he seems to rely a lot on seanbud to keep him in position, and when the calls aren
[quote=timesthelegallimit][quote=Mr_Owl]Budsquad writeup. I wrote half of this yesterday and half this morning, On medic is WhiskerBiscuit, streamer extraordinaire. Whisker is a decent medic, but he seems to rely a lot on seanbud to keep him in position, and when the calls aren
its your breakout season, owl. the open cycle is nearly complete for you.
its your breakout season, owl. the open cycle is nearly complete for you.
ESEA roster riding debut in open. I can't wait to see what this season brings!
edit: conductor why is the team name this? And the tag? And the picture?
pls
ESEA roster riding debut in open. I can't wait to see what this season brings!
edit: conductor why is the team name this? And the tag? And the picture?
pls
edit: conductor why is the team name this? And the tag? And the picture?
pls
Last one for today. I was hoping to get two done but I was lazy and chatting with people on steam.
Canadian Milk Bags
Soldiers: Griff, Sen
Demo: Saint
Medic: sv_n
Scouts: Scizor, Sauce
Another team that has mostly played together for a full season, Canadian Milk Bags is a reforming of last season
Last one for today. I was hoping to get two done but I was lazy and chatting with people on steam.
Canadian Milk Bags
Soldiers: Griff, Sen
Demo: Saint
Medic: sv_n
Scouts: Scizor, Sauce
Another team that has mostly played together for a full season, Canadian Milk Bags is a reforming of last season
Canadian Milk Bags
Soldiers: Griff, Sen
Demo: Saint
Medic: sv_n
Scouts: Scizor, Sauce
Another team that has mostly played together for a full season, Canadian Milk Bags is a reforming of last season
Griff to ruin the dream of having an entire team with people's alias' starting with s.
Griff to ruin the dream of having an entire team with people's alias' starting with s.
HellbentGriff to ruin the dream of having an entire team with people's alias' starting with s.
It's okay if I recall he's actually Sgt. Griffulz.
[quote=Hellbent]Griff to ruin the dream of having an entire team with people's alias' starting with s.[/quote]
It's okay if I recall he's actually Sgt. Griffulz.
It's okay if I recall he's actually Sgt. Griffulz.
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