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What do you guys think, might CEVO be "grown up" enough now to handle the TF2 community?
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http://www.cevo.com/forums/topic/32/team-fortress-2/lets-make-a-vote/2/#355
http://www.cevo.com/forums/topic/23/team-fortress-2/tf2-needs-to-be-on-cevo-/2/#613
What do you guys think, might CEVO be "grown up" enough now to handle the TF2 community?
http://www.cevo.com/forums/topic/32/team-fortress-2/lets-make-a-vote/2/#355
http://www.cevo.com/forums/topic/23/team-fortress-2/tf2-needs-to-be-on-cevo-/2/#613
What do you guys think, might CEVO be "grown up" enough now to handle the TF2 community?
UGC replaced CEVO as the don't-need-to-pay-to-play league. Not only that, but UGC doesn't require players to run a client to play which lowers the barrier of entry even further. I can't see a CEVO event being popular unless it's run during a longer ESEA off season and has decent cash prizes to draw in top teams.
UGC replaced CEVO as the don't-need-to-pay-to-play league. Not only that, but UGC doesn't require players to run a client to play which lowers the barrier of entry even further. I can't see a CEVO event being popular unless it's run during a longer ESEA off season and has decent cash prizes to draw in top teams.
yeah but cevo was also the dont need to pay to play league that had good people playing in it and multiple divisions that could still match up to esea
where as the highest div in ugc (plat) is still only mid to high open
yeah but cevo was also the dont need to pay to play league that had good people playing in it and multiple divisions that could still match up to esea
where as the highest div in ugc (plat) is still only mid to high open
where as the highest div in ugc (plat) is still only mid to high open
TwitchTVJohnWould help if I could sign up to their site -_-
click the "My Cevo" Button on the top right, should bring up the "Registration/Sign-In" GUI pictured below:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10366950/CevoRegistration.png
if clicking on "My Cevo" doesnt bring this up... wait for the drop down to appear when hovering over "My Cevo" and click on "Sign-In"
[quote=TwitchTVJohn]Would help if I could sign up to their site -_-[/quote]
click the "My Cevo" Button on the top right, should bring up the "Registration/Sign-In" GUI pictured below:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10366950/CevoRegistration.png[/IMG]
if clicking on "My Cevo" doesnt bring this up... wait for the drop down to appear when hovering over "My Cevo" and click on "Sign-In"
click the "My Cevo" Button on the top right, should bring up the "Registration/Sign-In" GUI pictured below:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10366950/CevoRegistration.png[/IMG]
if clicking on "My Cevo" doesnt bring this up... wait for the drop down to appear when hovering over "My Cevo" and click on "Sign-In"
A client is necessary because you need third party anti-cheat. VAC is good for what it is but it's not supposed to be as aggressive as league anti-cheats need to be. Also, not being community run is actually a huge plus once you get to such a size, as long as they don't misunderstand the community like how ESEA does.
I'd sign up for CEVO in a heartbeat if they started up TF2 again.
A client is necessary because you need third party anti-cheat. VAC is good for what it is but it's not supposed to be as aggressive as league anti-cheats need to be. Also, not being community run is actually a huge plus once you get to such a size, as long as they don't misunderstand the community like how ESEA does.
I'd sign up for CEVO in a heartbeat if they started up TF2 again.
I'd sign up for CEVO in a heartbeat if they started up TF2 again.
eulogy_TwitchTVJohnWould help if I could sign up to their site -_-
click the "My Cevo" Button on the top right, should bring up the "Registration/Sign-In" GUI pictured below:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10366950/CevoRegistration.png[/IMG]
if clicking on "My Cevo" doesnt bring this up... wait for the drop down to appear when hovering over "My Cevo" and click on "Sign-In"
I know. Javascript void on every browser. Not sure what the dealio is right now.
[quote=eulogy_][quote=TwitchTVJohn]Would help if I could sign up to their site -_-[/quote]
click the "My Cevo" Button on the top right, should bring up the "Registration/Sign-In" GUI pictured below:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10366950/CevoRegistration.png[/IMG]
if clicking on "My Cevo" doesnt bring this up... wait for the drop down to appear when hovering over "My Cevo" and click on "Sign-In"[/quote]
I know. Javascript void on every browser. Not sure what the dealio is right now.
click the "My Cevo" Button on the top right, should bring up the "Registration/Sign-In" GUI pictured below:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10366950/CevoRegistration.png[/IMG]
if clicking on "My Cevo" doesnt bring this up... wait for the drop down to appear when hovering over "My Cevo" and click on "Sign-In"[/quote]
I know. Javascript void on every browser. Not sure what the dealio is right now.
Every cevo event ive played has been handled poorly and every admin ive had the misfortune of interacting with has been disappointing to say the least. Ugc cares about supporting the lower level tf2 playerbase and has decent people like marxist running it while esea has kalkin and caters to the more serious players.
I don't see how cevo helps to solve any of our problems or provides anything this community doesn't already have.
Every cevo event ive played has been handled poorly and every admin ive had the misfortune of interacting with has been disappointing to say the least. Ugc cares about supporting the lower level tf2 playerbase and has decent people like marxist running it while esea has kalkin and caters to the more serious players.
I don't see how cevo helps to solve any of our problems or provides anything this community doesn't already have.
I don't see how cevo helps to solve any of our problems or provides anything this community doesn't already have.
mEvery cevo event ive played has been handled poorly and every admin ive had the misfortune of interacting with has been disappointing to say the least. Ugc cares about supporting the lower level tf2 playerbase and has decent people like marxist running it while esea has kalkin and caters to the more serious players.
I don't see how cevo helps to solve any of our problems or provides anything this community doesn't already have.
Yeah, fuck community growth.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.
[quote=m]Every cevo event ive played has been handled poorly and every admin ive had the misfortune of interacting with has been disappointing to say the least. Ugc cares about supporting the lower level tf2 playerbase and has decent people like marxist running it while esea has kalkin and caters to the more serious players.
I don't see how cevo helps to solve any of our problems or provides anything this community doesn't already have.[/quote] Yeah, fuck community growth.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.
I don't see how cevo helps to solve any of our problems or provides anything this community doesn't already have.[/quote] Yeah, fuck community growth.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.
ESEA is the premier league for comp tf2 this much is obvious and it has been for a while now, UGC is great for highlander and newer players that are breaking into 6s. CEVO however has fell off a long time ago...CAL and CEVO are old news. and i honestly don't think anyone is gonna wanna schedule matches and scrim time around more matches just for cevo. unless they provide great servers, a stats system that isn't severely outdated, a client that isn't terrible and good prizes i don't see anyone juggling multiple leagues. unless you really have the time to do so its not really worth it
ESEA is the premier league for comp tf2 this much is obvious and it has been for a while now, UGC is great for highlander and newer players that are breaking into 6s. CEVO however has fell off a long time ago...CAL and CEVO are old news. and i honestly don't think anyone is gonna wanna schedule matches and scrim time around more matches just for cevo. unless they provide great servers, a stats system that isn't severely outdated, a client that isn't terrible and good prizes i don't see anyone juggling multiple leagues. unless you really have the time to do so its not really worth it
a new league only adds content for existing players - it does nothing for community growth
a new league only adds content for existing players - it does nothing for community growth
crumpeta new league only adds content for existing players - it does nothing for community growth
Only if you assume that all players start TF2 as a casual game without the competitive scene in mind. More leagues, sponsors, etc. means more exposure for competitive TF2 and TF2 as a whole.
[quote=crumpet]a new league only adds content for existing players - it does nothing for community growth[/quote] Only if you assume that all players start TF2 as a casual game without the competitive scene in mind. More leagues, sponsors, etc. means more exposure for competitive TF2 and TF2 as a whole.
CEVO as a brand can help TF2. People know CEVO. People don't know UGC.
CEVO as a brand can help TF2. People know CEVO. People don't know UGC.
VortexYeah, fuck community growth.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.
Vortex every time you post I am amazed that you're capable of turning on a pc.
Surprise! Europe has one league and their scene is way bigger than ours, naturally splitting our player base into three leagues will be much more of a turn on to sponsors like EG rather than focusing on open having 50+ teams and a competitive invite division.
Please point out specifics as to where my and defy's rationale falls through rather than just saying "this is stupid," as your post doesn't contribute to the discussion nor does it really do anything to strengthen your argument that CEVO will help competitive tf2 in any way.
[quote=Vortex]Yeah, fuck community growth.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.[/quote]
Vortex every time you post I am amazed that you're capable of turning on a pc.
Surprise! Europe has one league and their scene is way bigger than ours, naturally splitting our player base into three leagues will be much more of a turn on to sponsors like EG rather than focusing on open having 50+ teams and a competitive invite division.
Please point out specifics as to where my and defy's rationale falls through rather than just saying "this is stupid," as your post doesn't contribute to the discussion nor does it really do anything to strengthen your argument that CEVO will help competitive tf2 in any way.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.[/quote]
Vortex every time you post I am amazed that you're capable of turning on a pc.
Surprise! Europe has one league and their scene is way bigger than ours, naturally splitting our player base into three leagues will be much more of a turn on to sponsors like EG rather than focusing on open having 50+ teams and a competitive invite division.
Please point out specifics as to where my and defy's rationale falls through rather than just saying "this is stupid," as your post doesn't contribute to the discussion nor does it really do anything to strengthen your argument that CEVO will help competitive tf2 in any way.
mVortexYeah, fuck community growth.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.
Vortex every time you post I am amazed that you're capable of turning on a pc.
Surprise! Europe has one league and their scene is way bigger than ours, naturally splitting our player base into three leagues will be much more of a turn on to sponsors like EG rather than focusing on open having 50+ teams and a competitive invite division.
Please point out specifics as to where my and defy's rationale falls through rather than just saying "this is stupid," as your post doesn't contribute to the discussion nor does it really do anything to strengthen your argument that CEVO will help competitive tf2 in any way.
Because CEVO is a known free league that is much more accessible to newer players than ESEA. As John said, many more people know about CEVO than UGC.
What I'm confused about is that you somehow can pull a negative spin on a league wanting to feature a game. It's an additional league that is completely optional to play in, that very fact in itself shows that people are showing interest in TF2.
Tell me how being reclusive and saying "it's fine how it is right now" is more beneficial than an additional league.
[quote=m][quote=Vortex]Yeah, fuck community growth.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.[/quote]
Vortex every time you post I am amazed that you're capable of turning on a pc.
Surprise! Europe has one league and their scene is way bigger than ours, naturally splitting our player base into three leagues will be much more of a turn on to sponsors like EG rather than focusing on open having 50+ teams and a competitive invite division.
Please point out specifics as to where my and defy's rationale falls through rather than just saying "this is stupid," as your post doesn't contribute to the discussion nor does it really do anything to strengthen your argument that CEVO will help competitive tf2 in any way.[/quote] Because CEVO is a known free league that is much more accessible to newer players than ESEA. As John said, many more people know about CEVO than UGC.
What I'm confused about is that you somehow can pull a negative spin on a league wanting to feature a game. It's an additional league that is completely optional to play in, that very fact in itself shows that people are showing interest in TF2.
Tell me how being reclusive and saying "it's fine how it is right now" is more beneficial than an additional league.
I don't see how having more leagues is a bad thing. People complain that the game is dying when they see that sponsors and leagues are losing support for TF2, but then we say shit like this.[/quote]
Vortex every time you post I am amazed that you're capable of turning on a pc.
Surprise! Europe has one league and their scene is way bigger than ours, naturally splitting our player base into three leagues will be much more of a turn on to sponsors like EG rather than focusing on open having 50+ teams and a competitive invite division.
Please point out specifics as to where my and defy's rationale falls through rather than just saying "this is stupid," as your post doesn't contribute to the discussion nor does it really do anything to strengthen your argument that CEVO will help competitive tf2 in any way.[/quote] Because CEVO is a known free league that is much more accessible to newer players than ESEA. As John said, many more people know about CEVO than UGC.
What I'm confused about is that you somehow can pull a negative spin on a league wanting to feature a game. It's an additional league that is completely optional to play in, that very fact in itself shows that people are showing interest in TF2.
Tell me how being reclusive and saying "it's fine how it is right now" is more beneficial than an additional league.
how does adding another historically bad/underused league to an already thin community help grow tf2?
what kind of player would play comp tf2 for the sole reason that they picked up tf2?
csgo players have no interest in it, and with all the superior leagues for dota/sc2 you know the teams in those divisions will both be mediocre at best
growing the leagues that have proven to be worth our time isnt being reclusive, its investing our player base wisely
remember xpl? efps?
all those terrible leagues that launched tf2 tourneys/leagues that turned out to be horribly ran and a waste of time?
how much did that increase sponsor interest or grow tf2?
cevo has lost its relevence to competitive gaming, not just tf2
how does adding another historically bad/underused league to an already thin community help grow tf2?
what kind of player would play comp tf2 for the sole reason that they picked up tf2?
csgo players have no interest in it, and with all the superior leagues for dota/sc2 you know the teams in those divisions will both be mediocre at best
growing the leagues that have proven to be worth our time isnt being reclusive, its investing our player base wisely
remember xpl? efps?
all those terrible leagues that launched tf2 tourneys/leagues that turned out to be horribly ran and a waste of time?
how much did that increase sponsor interest or grow tf2?
cevo has lost its relevence to competitive gaming, not just tf2
what kind of player would play comp tf2 for the sole reason that they picked up tf2?
csgo players have no interest in it, and with all the superior leagues for dota/sc2 you know the teams in those divisions will both be mediocre at best
growing the leagues that have proven to be worth our time isnt being reclusive, its investing our player base wisely
remember xpl? efps?
all those terrible leagues that launched tf2 tourneys/leagues that turned out to be horribly ran and a waste of time?
how much did that increase sponsor interest or grow tf2?
cevo has lost its relevence to competitive gaming, not just tf2
Heard it here first guys, we don't want anymore tournaments or leagues for TF2, we have enough how it is. Yours are probably shit anyway.
My first introduction to TF2 comp league was TWL 6s. Was it well run? No. But it got me into competitive TF2 and made me search for other leagues and competitive events. That's all it really accomplishes, even if the numbers it brings in are scarce it's still something.
Heard it here first guys, we don't want anymore tournaments or leagues for TF2, we have enough how it is. Yours are probably shit anyway.
My first introduction to TF2 comp league was TWL 6s. Was it well run? No. But it got me into competitive TF2 and made me search for other leagues and competitive events. That's all it really accomplishes, even if the numbers it brings in are scarce it's still something.
My first introduction to TF2 comp league was TWL 6s. Was it well run? No. But it got me into competitive TF2 and made me search for other leagues and competitive events. That's all it really accomplishes, even if the numbers it brings in are scarce it's still something.
I have a team for CEVO already, they need to hurry up
I have a team for CEVO already, they need to hurry up
I think it would be better for CEVO to just run a short single elim tournament with prizes and maybe limited slots depending on the amount of interest. Just something top teams can play on the side and make our scene look like it's not on it's last legs, desperately hanging to the last league that will support it.
I think it would be better for CEVO to just run a short single elim tournament with prizes and maybe limited slots depending on the amount of interest. Just something top teams can play on the side and make our scene look like it's not on it's last legs, desperately hanging to the last league that will support it.
There's actually a lot going down at UGC.
Because we're a free league, some things happen much more slowly (like creating a stat client, an in-game GUI for match mod, etc, or servers for people to use) but we're getting there.
Paid competitions have been discussed briefly, but things just haven't panned out yet.
UGC is also actively courting sponsors so that we can get *real* prizes and provide more benefits to players - while remaining mostly or entirely free.
Also while CEVO having a higher profile than UGC was true at one time, I would say that is no longer the case. You would be hard pressed to find a player unfamiliar with UGC due to the highlander scene and how absolutely massive it is.
I personally am extremely biased against CEVO because the last tournament of their's that I was involved in was a complete and utter waste of time for pretty much everybody involved and I'm not even talking about the vanilla "tournament"
Atrophy_b7.....never forget....
There's actually a lot going down at UGC.
Because we're a free league, some things happen much more slowly (like creating a stat client, an in-game GUI for match mod, etc, or servers for people to use) but we're getting there.
Paid competitions have been discussed briefly, but things just haven't panned out yet.
UGC is also actively courting sponsors so that we can get *real* prizes and provide more benefits to players - while remaining mostly or entirely free.
Also while CEVO having a higher profile than UGC was true at one time, I would say that is no longer the case. You would be hard pressed to find a player unfamiliar with UGC due to the highlander scene and how absolutely massive it is.
I personally am extremely biased against CEVO because the last tournament of their's that I was involved in was a complete and utter waste of time for pretty much everybody involved and I'm not even talking about the vanilla "tournament"
Atrophy_b7.....never forget....
Because we're a free league, some things happen much more slowly (like creating a stat client, an in-game GUI for match mod, etc, or servers for people to use) but we're getting there.
Paid competitions have been discussed briefly, but things just haven't panned out yet.
UGC is also actively courting sponsors so that we can get *real* prizes and provide more benefits to players - while remaining mostly or entirely free.
Also while CEVO having a higher profile than UGC was true at one time, I would say that is no longer the case. You would be hard pressed to find a player unfamiliar with UGC due to the highlander scene and how absolutely massive it is.
I personally am extremely biased against CEVO because the last tournament of their's that I was involved in was a complete and utter waste of time for pretty much everybody involved and I'm not even talking about the vanilla "tournament"
Atrophy_b7.....never forget....
Do we know what a CEVO TF2 league would provide to make it different from leagues we have now?
Do we know what a CEVO TF2 league would provide to make it different from leagues we have now?
CEVO can't really do anything to make it "different," only better. CEVO was respected a ton before it ultimately became shit. I think it would need more support from the IM/invite players than anyone else.
CEVO can't really do anything to make it "different," only better. CEVO was respected a ton before it ultimately became shit. I think it would need more support from the IM/invite players than anyone else.
TwitchTVJohnCEVO as a brand can help TF2. People know CEVO. People don't know UGC.
I wouldn't say we're unknown since we have over 7000 players in our Highlander league alone.
However having CEVO open up as well would probably help everyone improve their product even more and allow players to play wherever they feel most comfortable
[quote=TwitchTVJohn]CEVO as a brand can help TF2. People know CEVO. People don't know UGC.[/quote]
I wouldn't say we're unknown since we have over 7000 players in our Highlander league alone.
However having CEVO open up as well would probably help everyone improve their product even more and allow players to play wherever they feel most comfortable
I wouldn't say we're unknown since we have over 7000 players in our Highlander league alone.
However having CEVO open up as well would probably help everyone improve their product even more and allow players to play wherever they feel most comfortable
TF2_MooseTwitchTVJohnCEVO as a brand can help TF2. People know CEVO. People don't know UGC.
Just over 7000 players over here at UGC worldwide, don't mind us
Yea tf2 players know ugc, but outside of tf2 Cevo is more known
[quote=TF2_Moose][quote=TwitchTVJohn]CEVO as a brand can help TF2. People know CEVO. People don't know UGC.[/quote]
Just over 7000 players over here at UGC worldwide, don't mind us[/quote]
Yea tf2 players know ugc, but outside of tf2 Cevo is more known
Just over 7000 players over here at UGC worldwide, don't mind us[/quote]
Yea tf2 players know ugc, but outside of tf2 Cevo is more known
ThomasduhtrainYea tf2 players know ugc, but outside of tf2 Cevo is more known
UGC is a TF2-only league, which is why we don't get as much attention to leagues like ESEA which also covers CS and LoL.
[quote=Thomasduhtrain]Yea tf2 players know ugc, but outside of tf2 Cevo is more known[/quote]
UGC is a TF2-only league, which is why we don't get as much attention to leagues like ESEA which also covers CS and LoL.
UGC is a TF2-only league, which is why we don't get as much attention to leagues like ESEA which also covers CS and LoL.
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