Got my 4k monitor in today, it's incredible. Any requests?
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Got my 4k monitor in today, it's incredible. Any requests?
warning, large screenshots (3840x2160, each around 10MB).
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warning, large screenshots (3840x2160, each around 10MB).
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Kind of a vague question but how much of a difference is there? I've never actually seen a 4K panel in person so I literally have no semblance of how good it is in real life. Those screenshots are awesome though
Kind of a vague question but how much of a difference is there? I've never actually seen a 4K panel in person so I literally have no semblance of how good it is in real life. Those screenshots are awesome though
JimiJamKind of a vague question but how much of a difference is there? I've never actually seen a 4K panel in person so I literally have no semblance of how good it actually is in real life. Those screenshots are awesome though
It's quite obvious. My first time seeing it in person was walking through a department store, glancing towards the TVs and thinking "holy shit that's sharp" before noticing it was 4k. Noticeable at the barest glance from a good few metres away.
It's quite hard to put your finger on exactly what looks so good about it, but you can objectively tell it looks quite simply amazing. The fact it's on a 28 inch monitor probably helps because it fills so much of your vision, but I've seen 27 inch 1080p panels and not been very impressed so the resolution is definitely a large factor.
I had a play around with the same monitor I'm using at game24 (where I won this one) and definitely noticed it there, but maybe not quite so much because it was a quick 5 minute run through before someone else's turn. Sitting down and using it in person you can really tell the difference. Even in Windows I'm marveling at how sharp the text is.
[quote=JimiJam]Kind of a vague question but how much of a difference is there? I've never actually seen a 4K panel in person so I literally have no semblance of how good it actually is in real life. Those screenshots are awesome though[/quote]
It's quite obvious. My first time seeing it in person was walking through a department store, glancing towards the TVs and thinking "holy shit that's sharp" before noticing it was 4k. Noticeable at the barest glance from a good few metres away.
It's quite hard to put your finger on exactly what looks so good about it, but you can objectively tell it looks quite simply amazing. The fact it's on a 28 inch monitor probably helps because it fills so much of your vision, but I've seen 27 inch 1080p panels and not been very impressed so the resolution is definitely a large factor.
I had a play around with the same monitor I'm using at game24 (where I won this one) and definitely noticed it there, but maybe not quite so much because it was a quick 5 minute run through before someone else's turn. Sitting down and using it in person you can really tell the difference. Even in Windows I'm marveling at how sharp the text is.
It's quite obvious. My first time seeing it in person was walking through a department store, glancing towards the TVs and thinking "holy shit that's sharp" before noticing it was 4k. Noticeable at the barest glance from a good few metres away.
It's quite hard to put your finger on exactly what looks so good about it, but you can objectively tell it looks quite simply amazing. The fact it's on a 28 inch monitor probably helps because it fills so much of your vision, but I've seen 27 inch 1080p panels and not been very impressed so the resolution is definitely a large factor.
I had a play around with the same monitor I'm using at game24 (where I won this one) and definitely noticed it there, but maybe not quite so much because it was a quick 5 minute run through before someone else's turn. Sitting down and using it in person you can really tell the difference. Even in Windows I'm marveling at how sharp the text is.
Damn that sounds awesome. I wish I had the hardware to actually run games on one of those lol
Damn that sounds awesome. I wish I had the hardware to actually run games on one of those lol
JimiJamKind of a vague question but how much of a difference is there? I've never actually seen a 4K panel in person so I literally have no semblance of how good it is in real life. Those screenshots are awesome though
At higher resolution it's way easier to remove the uneven edges at close distances. Visually you can just grasp the minor details much easier because it's more apparent in a subtle way. You can get a pseudo-effect of 4k on 1080p just by cranking up Temporal Anti-Aliasing to the max via GPU settings. Or do 1080p at 16x SSAA to basically render at 8k. SSAA is an Anti-Aliasing mode which downsamples it to your resolution. So apply a setting to render at a much higher resolution and squish it back down to your resolution and bewm you have shitty pseudo 4k.
[quote=JimiJam]Kind of a vague question but how much of a difference is there? I've never actually seen a 4K panel in person so I literally have no semblance of how good it is in real life. Those screenshots are awesome though[/quote]
At higher resolution it's way easier to remove the uneven edges at close distances. Visually you can just grasp the minor details much easier because it's more apparent in a subtle way. You can get a pseudo-effect of 4k on 1080p just by cranking up Temporal Anti-Aliasing to the max via GPU settings. Or do 1080p at 16x SSAA to basically render at 8k. SSAA is an Anti-Aliasing mode which downsamples it to your resolution. So apply a setting to render at a much higher resolution and squish it back down to your resolution and bewm you have shitty pseudo 4k.
At higher resolution it's way easier to remove the uneven edges at close distances. Visually you can just grasp the minor details much easier because it's more apparent in a subtle way. You can get a pseudo-effect of 4k on 1080p just by cranking up Temporal Anti-Aliasing to the max via GPU settings. Or do 1080p at 16x SSAA to basically render at 8k. SSAA is an Anti-Aliasing mode which downsamples it to your resolution. So apply a setting to render at a much higher resolution and squish it back down to your resolution and bewm you have shitty pseudo 4k.
dMenaceJimiJamKind of a vague question but how much of a difference is there? I've never actually seen a 4K panel in person so I literally have no semblance of how good it is in real life. Those screenshots are awesome though
At higher resolution it's way easier to remove the uneven edges at close distances. Visually you can just grasp the minor details much easier because it's more apparent in a subtle way. You can get a pseudo-effect of 4k on 1080p just by cranking up Temporal Anti-Aliasing to the max via GPU settings. Or do 1080p at 16x SSAA to basically render at 8k. SSAA is an Anti-Aliasing mode which downsamples it to your resolution. So apply a setting to render at a much higher resolution and squish it back down to your resolution and bewm you have shitty pseudo 4k.
Yeah I've made sure to avoid AA to see if I can notice any at 4k. Trying black flag now to check ship rigging which is a hotspot for jaggies but uplay is being a dick and won't launch it.
Had far cry 3 running, looked great but had weird lag at ~45fps maxed without AA on my 980, felt less smooth than Metro Last Light did and that was sub 40fps. I suspect gsync wasn't kicking in properly.
[quote=dMenace][quote=JimiJam]Kind of a vague question but how much of a difference is there? I've never actually seen a 4K panel in person so I literally have no semblance of how good it is in real life. Those screenshots are awesome though[/quote]
At higher resolution it's way easier to remove the uneven edges at close distances. Visually you can just grasp the minor details much easier because it's more apparent in a subtle way. You can get a pseudo-effect of 4k on 1080p just by cranking up Temporal Anti-Aliasing to the max via GPU settings. Or do 1080p at 16x SSAA to basically render at 8k. SSAA is an Anti-Aliasing mode which downsamples it to your resolution. So apply a setting to render at a much higher resolution and squish it back down to your resolution and bewm you have shitty pseudo 4k.[/quote]
Yeah I've made sure to avoid AA to see if I can notice any at 4k. Trying black flag now to check ship rigging which is a hotspot for jaggies but uplay is being a dick and won't launch it.
Had far cry 3 running, looked great but had weird lag at ~45fps maxed without AA on my 980, felt less smooth than Metro Last Light did and that was sub 40fps. I suspect gsync wasn't kicking in properly.
At higher resolution it's way easier to remove the uneven edges at close distances. Visually you can just grasp the minor details much easier because it's more apparent in a subtle way. You can get a pseudo-effect of 4k on 1080p just by cranking up Temporal Anti-Aliasing to the max via GPU settings. Or do 1080p at 16x SSAA to basically render at 8k. SSAA is an Anti-Aliasing mode which downsamples it to your resolution. So apply a setting to render at a much higher resolution and squish it back down to your resolution and bewm you have shitty pseudo 4k.[/quote]
Yeah I've made sure to avoid AA to see if I can notice any at 4k. Trying black flag now to check ship rigging which is a hotspot for jaggies but uplay is being a dick and won't launch it.
Had far cry 3 running, looked great but had weird lag at ~45fps maxed without AA on my 980, felt less smooth than Metro Last Light did and that was sub 40fps. I suspect gsync wasn't kicking in properly.
Maxed no AA in black flag, running at about 20fps lol, needed to whack things down to even medium to get above 30. The screenshot below is without SweetFX so it could look even better.
I would check the ship rigging but uplay managed to lose my 98% save so shit out of luck there, can't get to any ship rigging any time soon.
Maxed no AA in black flag, running at about 20fps lol, needed to whack things down to even medium to get above 30. The screenshot below is without SweetFX so it could look even better.
I would check the ship rigging but uplay managed to lose my 98% save so shit out of luck there, can't get to any ship rigging any time soon.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/G0esf6x.jpg[/img]
I would check the ship rigging but uplay managed to lose my 98% save so shit out of luck there, can't get to any ship rigging any time soon.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/G0esf6x.jpg[/img]
DavidTheWinIt's quite obvious. My first time seeing it in person was walking through a department store, glancing towards the TVs and thinking "holy shit that's sharp" before noticing it was 4k. Noticeable at the barest glance from a good few metres away.
Really? I saw one yesterday and didn't think much of the difference. Maybe it was a rip by the store. Either that or I need my glasses changed again.
Are the desktop icons like super tiny? How many scrolls do you need to make it work?
[quote=DavidTheWin]It's quite obvious. My first time seeing it in person was walking through a department store, glancing towards the TVs and thinking "holy shit that's sharp" before noticing it was 4k. Noticeable at the barest glance from a good few metres away.[/quote]
Really? I saw one yesterday and didn't think much of the difference. Maybe it was a rip by the store. Either that or I need my glasses changed again.
Are the desktop icons like super tiny? How many scrolls do you need to make it work?
Really? I saw one yesterday and didn't think much of the difference. Maybe it was a rip by the store. Either that or I need my glasses changed again.
Are the desktop icons like super tiny? How many scrolls do you need to make it work?
i guess its pain watching videos when most tv series are 1080p?
alot blurry when u watch in fullscreen right?
i guess its pain watching videos when most tv series are 1080p?
alot blurry when u watch in fullscreen right?
alot blurry when u watch in fullscreen right?
I'm just gonna wait a few years, prices will drop, I mean, my parents bought a tv 5 years ago for something like 800 euros, Full HD 40 inch, nowdays you can get way better panels for 330 euro's.
I'm just gonna wait a few years, prices will drop, I mean, my parents bought a tv 5 years ago for something like 800 euros, Full HD 40 inch, nowdays you can get way better panels for 330 euro's.
ClankReally? I saw one yesterday and didn't think much of the difference. Maybe it was a rip by the store. Either that or I need my glasses changed again.
Are the desktop icons like super tiny? How many scrolls do you need to make it work?
Desktop icons are quite small, but not unreadable. My eyesight close to a monitor is quite good so everything is still readable, you just get more on the screen which I like. What do you mean about scrolls?
maidosi guess its pain watching videos when most tv series are 1080p?
alot blurry when u watch in fullscreen right?
No, because 3840x2160 is exactly 4 times the pixels as 1080p, 1080p scales perfectly. For every pixel you get at 1080p, you have 4 pixels to represent that one pixel at 4k. 1080p at 28 inches isn't the best pixel density but it certainly isn't the worst. Same thing with 720p, although 9 4k pixels per 720p pixel. No interpolation required.
You're going to run into issues with low bitrates before you start noticing resolution in most cases. I have some extremely high bitrate 1080p videos and they look better than most 4k youtube videos because youtube goes hard on the compression.
BonafideI'm just gonna wait a few years, prices will drop, I mean, my parents bought a tv 5 years ago for something like 800 euros, Full HD 40 inch, nowdays you can get way better panels for 330 euro's.
You can get 4k monitors for under £400 now. 60hz IPS ones for around £500, my TN G-Sync monitor would cost £500. They've come down a hell of a lot, and after the next wave of products is announced at CES in January I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 4k monitors being sold at the €330 mark you said. If you shopped around, you could probably get a 4k 60hz monitor for the same price or cheaper than some 1080p 144hz monitors.
phraxHoly shit, do you even need AA anymore? Wow.
All the testing I've done has been without AA on because I wanted to see if I'd notice it. I can't say I did but I only had an afternoon with it before going home for Christmas. I wanted to test ship rigging (a hotspot for jaggies because of all the small straight lines) in AC4: Black Flag but Uplay lost my 98% save file so I had to start from scratch, hours away from any shipping port. I personally don't think it will be necessary. 2x MSAA maybe in say the ship rigging scenario, but things along the lines of SSAA or anything supersampling related are probably completely unnecessary. Anything supersampling related is also going to kill your machine. Even 2x SSAA (render at twice your native resolution and downscale) is rendering at 7680x4320 which is 33m pixels, four times as many as 3840x2160. If you were getting 60fps rendering at 4k and you turn 2x SSAA on, you're now running at 15fps or lower due to downscaling overhead.
People said the same about AA at 1080p in comparison to 720p and lower. A few years down the road when "everyone" is running 4k, there will still be complaints about jaggies because you can't ever entirely get rid of them. Even on my 450dpi 1080p 5 inch phone you can see jaggies if you look hard enough.
[quote=Clank]Really? I saw one yesterday and didn't think much of the difference. Maybe it was a rip by the store. Either that or I need my glasses changed again.
Are the desktop icons like super tiny? How many scrolls do you need to make it work?[/quote]
Desktop icons are quite small, but not unreadable. My eyesight close to a monitor is quite good so everything is still readable, you just get more on the screen which I like. What do you mean about scrolls?
[quote=maidos]i guess its pain watching videos when most tv series are 1080p?
alot blurry when u watch in fullscreen right?[/quote]
No, because 3840x2160 is exactly 4 times the pixels as 1080p, 1080p scales perfectly. For every pixel you get at 1080p, you have 4 pixels to represent that one pixel at 4k. 1080p at 28 inches isn't the best pixel density but it certainly isn't the worst. Same thing with 720p, although 9 4k pixels per 720p pixel. No interpolation required.
You're going to run into issues with low bitrates before you start noticing resolution in most cases. I have some extremely high bitrate 1080p videos and they look better than most 4k youtube videos because youtube goes hard on the compression.
[quote=Bonafide]I'm just gonna wait a few years, prices will drop, I mean, my parents bought a tv 5 years ago for something like 800 euros, Full HD 40 inch, nowdays you can get way better panels for 330 euro's.[/quote]
You can get 4k monitors for under £400 now. 60hz IPS ones for around £500, my TN G-Sync monitor would cost £500. They've come down a hell of a lot, and after the next wave of products is announced at CES in January I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 4k monitors being sold at the €330 mark you said. If you shopped around, you could probably get a 4k 60hz monitor for the same price or cheaper than some 1080p 144hz monitors.
[quote=phrax]Holy shit, do you even need AA anymore? Wow.[/quote]
All the testing I've done has been without AA on because I wanted to see if I'd notice it. I can't say I did but I only had an afternoon with it before going home for Christmas. I wanted to test ship rigging (a hotspot for jaggies because of all the small straight lines) in AC4: Black Flag but Uplay lost my 98% save file so I had to start from scratch, hours away from any shipping port. I personally don't think it will be necessary. 2x MSAA maybe in say the ship rigging scenario, but things along the lines of SSAA or anything supersampling related are probably completely unnecessary. Anything supersampling related is also going to kill your machine. Even 2x SSAA (render at twice your native resolution and downscale) is rendering at 7680x4320 which is 33m pixels, four times as many as 3840x2160. If you were getting 60fps rendering at 4k and you turn 2x SSAA on, you're now running at 15fps or lower due to downscaling overhead.
People said the same about AA at 1080p in comparison to 720p and lower. A few years down the road when "everyone" is running 4k, there will still be complaints about jaggies because you can't ever entirely get rid of them. Even on my 450dpi 1080p 5 inch phone you can see jaggies if you look hard enough.
Are the desktop icons like super tiny? How many scrolls do you need to make it work?[/quote]
Desktop icons are quite small, but not unreadable. My eyesight close to a monitor is quite good so everything is still readable, you just get more on the screen which I like. What do you mean about scrolls?
[quote=maidos]i guess its pain watching videos when most tv series are 1080p?
alot blurry when u watch in fullscreen right?[/quote]
No, because 3840x2160 is exactly 4 times the pixels as 1080p, 1080p scales perfectly. For every pixel you get at 1080p, you have 4 pixels to represent that one pixel at 4k. 1080p at 28 inches isn't the best pixel density but it certainly isn't the worst. Same thing with 720p, although 9 4k pixels per 720p pixel. No interpolation required.
You're going to run into issues with low bitrates before you start noticing resolution in most cases. I have some extremely high bitrate 1080p videos and they look better than most 4k youtube videos because youtube goes hard on the compression.
[quote=Bonafide]I'm just gonna wait a few years, prices will drop, I mean, my parents bought a tv 5 years ago for something like 800 euros, Full HD 40 inch, nowdays you can get way better panels for 330 euro's.[/quote]
You can get 4k monitors for under £400 now. 60hz IPS ones for around £500, my TN G-Sync monitor would cost £500. They've come down a hell of a lot, and after the next wave of products is announced at CES in January I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 4k monitors being sold at the €330 mark you said. If you shopped around, you could probably get a 4k 60hz monitor for the same price or cheaper than some 1080p 144hz monitors.
[quote=phrax]Holy shit, do you even need AA anymore? Wow.[/quote]
All the testing I've done has been without AA on because I wanted to see if I'd notice it. I can't say I did but I only had an afternoon with it before going home for Christmas. I wanted to test ship rigging (a hotspot for jaggies because of all the small straight lines) in AC4: Black Flag but Uplay lost my 98% save file so I had to start from scratch, hours away from any shipping port. I personally don't think it will be necessary. 2x MSAA maybe in say the ship rigging scenario, but things along the lines of SSAA or anything supersampling related are probably completely unnecessary. Anything supersampling related is also going to kill your machine. Even 2x SSAA (render at twice your native resolution and downscale) is rendering at 7680x4320 which is 33m pixels, four times as many as 3840x2160. If you were getting 60fps rendering at 4k and you turn 2x SSAA on, you're now running at 15fps or lower due to downscaling overhead.
People said the same about AA at 1080p in comparison to 720p and lower. A few years down the road when "everyone" is running 4k, there will still be complaints about jaggies because you can't ever entirely get rid of them. Even on my 450dpi 1080p 5 inch phone you can see jaggies if you look hard enough.
idk about you, but £400 to me is quite a lot of money for just another monitor, I personally run 1 42" Full-HD tv (for couch gaming co-op/movies) a 144hz benq as main screen for mainly fps games or when gaming alone, and a 23" 60hz for youtube/music/browsing, this is already a lot for your average pc user, I dunno what I would replace with a 4k monitor in the first place, even if I had the money I wouldn't because it's not really worth it to me untill movies mainly will get released nearly by standard Ultra-HD
idk about you, but £400 to me is quite a lot of money for just another monitor, I personally run 1 42" Full-HD tv (for couch gaming co-op/movies) a 144hz benq as main screen for mainly fps games or when gaming alone, and a 23" 60hz for youtube/music/browsing, this is already a lot for your average pc user, I dunno what I would replace with a 4k monitor in the first place, even if I had the money I wouldn't because it's not really worth it to me untill movies mainly will get released nearly by standard Ultra-HD
http://puu.sh/eu5pT/ed53f1f677.png
Got my second 980, running that at 60fps
http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/41/1.0
Any more requests?
[img]http://puu.sh/eu5pT/ed53f1f677.png[/img]
Got my second 980, running that at 60fps [img]http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/41/1.0[/img]
Any more requests?
Got my second 980, running that at 60fps [img]http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/41/1.0[/img]
Any more requests?
http://puu.sh/ewPW7/64b77c2e58.png
Far Cry 3 maxed at 4k no AA or motion blur, running about 55-60fps
and in the day time
[img]http://puu.sh/ewPW7/64b77c2e58.png[/img]
Far Cry 3 maxed at 4k no AA or motion blur, running about 55-60fps
and in the day time
[img]http://puu.sh/ewQxl/415985b79d.png[/img]
Far Cry 3 maxed at 4k no AA or motion blur, running about 55-60fps
and in the day time
[img]http://puu.sh/ewQxl/415985b79d.png[/img]
Are you using DPI scaling with Windows 8? If not, how does Windows 7 handle 4k?
I like the DPI scaling in Windows 8 but some applications force disable it.
Are you using DPI scaling with Windows 8? If not, how does Windows 7 handle 4k?
I like the DPI scaling in Windows 8 but some applications force disable it.
I like the DPI scaling in Windows 8 but some applications force disable it.
http://puu.sh/ewTRr/1e14330e05.png
strike vector at 4k
KBlairAre you using DPI scaling with Windows 8? If not, how does Windows 7 handle 4k?
I like the DPI scaling in Windows 8 but some applications force disable it.
Using DPI scaling in Windows 8.1 (set apps to be bigger than usual). It's not actually too bad. My eyesight is fairly good at monitor distances and 99% of things are perfectly clear to me. Haven't really seen anything which was too small to read. On the other hand, some things get a bit blurry, noticeably Steam although this may be due to a different issue where some programs think this is 2560x1440 and so when maximised the text becomes blurry due to interpolation.
[img]http://puu.sh/ewTRr/1e14330e05.png[/img]
strike vector at 4k
[quote=KBlair]Are you using DPI scaling with Windows 8? If not, how does Windows 7 handle 4k?
I like the DPI scaling in Windows 8 but some applications force disable it.[/quote]
Using DPI scaling in Windows 8.1 (set apps to be bigger than usual). It's not actually too bad. My eyesight is fairly good at monitor distances and 99% of things are perfectly clear to me. Haven't really seen anything which was too small to read. On the other hand, some things get a bit blurry, noticeably Steam although this may be due to a different issue where some programs think this is 2560x1440 and so when maximised the text becomes blurry due to interpolation.
strike vector at 4k
[quote=KBlair]Are you using DPI scaling with Windows 8? If not, how does Windows 7 handle 4k?
I like the DPI scaling in Windows 8 but some applications force disable it.[/quote]
Using DPI scaling in Windows 8.1 (set apps to be bigger than usual). It's not actually too bad. My eyesight is fairly good at monitor distances and 99% of things are perfectly clear to me. Haven't really seen anything which was too small to read. On the other hand, some things get a bit blurry, noticeably Steam although this may be due to a different issue where some programs think this is 2560x1440 and so when maximised the text becomes blurry due to interpolation.
http://puu.sh/f1W5F/2b1bf10850.png
Far Cry 4, maxed without anti aliasing or motion blur. Runs surprisingly well, although I've since dropped a few things down to the setting one down from Ultra because I had a few crashes.
[img]http://puu.sh/f1W5F/2b1bf10850.png[/img]
Far Cry 4, maxed without anti aliasing or motion blur. Runs surprisingly well, although I've since dropped a few things down to the setting one down from Ultra because I had a few crashes.
Far Cry 4, maxed without anti aliasing or motion blur. Runs surprisingly well, although I've since dropped a few things down to the setting one down from Ultra because I had a few crashes.
i really want to suggest something, but i can't think with all this jealousy
i really want to suggest something, but i can't think with all this jealousy
Looks hella sexy, but I would much rather have a 1080p 120Hz monitor :/
Looks hella sexy, but I would much rather have a 1080p 120Hz monitor :/
kounterpartsLooks hella sexy, but I would much rather have a 1080p 120Hz monitor :/
hopefully 1440p monitors at 144hz will be affordable within a few years
[quote=kounterparts]Looks hella sexy, but I would much rather have a 1080p 120Hz monitor :/[/quote]
hopefully 1440p monitors at 144hz will be affordable within a few years
hopefully 1440p monitors at 144hz will be affordable within a few years
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