You could say the same thing about pipes. You can spam it at a choke and do a couple hundred damage. I would say that this is more common than the occasional double donk.

too random for competitive

Pipes can cause some of the same annoying situations, and a demo on loose cannon is defenseless in a 1v1. It's a downgrade for competitive play.

The thing is, pipes dont launch you back a fuck ton and a double donk does ~141 damage (or something around that)

I personally love this weapon and that's mostly because I use it and it gives you practically free damage, although it makes it even MORE difficult for demoman to defend himself because he doesn't have the consistent 100 damage from pipes, rather 60 damage AND the ball has a chance to bounce off the enemy and back at you.

I agree with fixing the problem with it propelling enemies forward unintentionally but beyond that I believe it's an okay weapon.

I feel like using loose cannon full time if your good with it replaces pipes not upgrade it. Sure in some situations loose cannon is a straight up upgrade like when your getting pushed with disadvantage, but in close range combat your basically fucked.

loose cannon fucking shreds people if not send them flying away from the demo wtf

Massively against it.

Its burst damage is too strong for a mid range, easily spammable weapon with a projectile the size of a bathtub.
Also, once practiced donks are stupidly easy to get and it allows demoman to lock down far too many chokes by himself.

BAN IT.

But double donks aren't as common as 100 damage pipes. I think they are fairly even.

loose cannon max damage is 141, but personally i find it fair, and it has its situational pros and cons just as pipes do.

I think it should be banned

it makes getting kills as demoman on accident even easier

To kill any class w/o a double badonkadonk you need to hit them 3 times. You only go flying if you're jumping around which makes you easier to hit anyway.

the damage isn't that bad, but the random, unsurfable stun style push back is just irritating. Giving demo a random direction airblast isn't something that makes the game more fun

Am I the only one who does 141 damage with a double donk? Because I never one shot a med unless he is a bit hurt.

Loose cannon does 60 damage on direct and pipes do 100

Thing about it this way a 240 health buffed soldier jumps on you, you're using pipes and he lands on you with 200 health, you'd only have to pipe him twice and he'd be dead. Lets say you were using loose cannon, you'd have to hit him 4 times.

The basics of the loose cannon is your giving up short range damage for mid range damage.

every time i hear "fucking retarded gun" i know someone got double donked

in my experience it's really not fun to play against and leads to very random kills just for spamming chokes. at least with pipes you know their path and they only do 100 damage at a time.

edit also if you donk someone in choke, even if they aren't instakilled, they can get effectively stunlocked with 9/59/24 hp left and that's a free frag

that is how much it does. People don't '1 shot medics' with it. However, chipshots and spammed splash do happen. With the loose cannon being a factor it forces a medic to decide whether or not to pop on a weapon that MAY do 141. Once you've taken only 9 damage you are one shottable.

Random and takes no skill but I'll keep abusing it until it is removed

It does 141

How do you not know the path of the loose cannon? It's easier to see and has a shorter range. And 85% of the time you get hit by a loose cannon it does 60, not 100. Don't say "they only do 100 damage" like that isn't the highest mid to long range damage in the game besides the lucky double donk

you trade Fire rate, long range and close range damage(unless youre actually good)
for good midrange damage, stuffing uber better in tight chokes and a bigger direct hitbox

while yr not wrong, yr underselling it too

the thing will send you to one of the four corners of the earth if you get hit while jumping, which is arguably better than giving the player time to fire shots after he's airshot, and the LC has a faster projectile speed which is p something

I have been strongly in favor of the loose cannon being allowed in competitive play BUT the weapon in its current state after several seasons of play and my own personal observations needs to be banned(until its hopefully changed).

I think the push back and uber denying ability is something unique and interesting that definitely should be allowed, but the burst damage which is capable of essentially one shotting every class but the soldier without buffs is pretty broken considering its spamability compared to similar mechanics like headshots or backstabs.

The weapon does reduce the demo's already poor close combat ability to an almost zero amount and does not have the same range pipe spam does, so it does have it's downsides but doesn't really negate the ease of use.

It should be banned until it functions less as an instant kill weapon and more of a support weapon which allows you to shutdown pushes via knockback but without shitting over everything with ease.

the only problem is that it can deny ubers just as well as a pyro, if it didnt do knockback to ubered players it would be fine

if you get double donked by random choke spam u suck ass and deserve to die that way

i'm very much against it. it feels random how it knocks you back, sometimes juggling you into a forced double donk while the bomb sit next to you or preventing you from dodging the next hit. sometimes it sends you flying backwards, but the bomb flies backwards too so you get double donked by that.

something i'd like to emphasize:

not a lot of people seem to realize this

If the knockback mechanic wasn't so broken and it couldn't randomly drop a healthy medic with over 115 HP from a double donk it wouldn't be such a pain to deal with
too random and broken for comp imo

Agree with that its too random for competitive and the ability to basically 1 shot medics is ridiculous.

I think the biggest problem with it in competitive is that its just a very LOW skill/high reward weapon, most weapons in the game do require good aim etc but Loose cannon you just shoot it straight at a corner and can expect a double donk like 90% of the time and that effect is extremely powerful for how much skill is requires.

Being able to do a free 141 damage mini-crit because you held left click for the right amount of time is ridiculous. Ban it.

I definitely feel like it needs a bit of a nerf. I think it's a really cool concept and adds more variety into the game. It has the potential to be a very skill-based weapon, rewarding players for getting the timing right, but right now the double donk is too strong and the knockback is a bit ridiculous at times.