You don't just decide to shoot down over a hundred people and bomb one of the biggest cities in Europe on a whim. Something on that scale takes weeks, hell months to plan, and at the point you decide to do so you are already extremely radicalized, that doesn't happen during the planning. I don't believe no one in his surroundings would have noticed he was saying weird things or acting out of the ordinary. There's also the obvious answer of them possibly having radical believes themselves and thus not noticing his views aren't normal. Don't say that's impossible, it is "The European capitol of Jihad" after all!
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You don't just decide to shoot down over a hundred people and bomb one of the biggest cities in Europe on a whim. Something on that scale takes weeks, hell months to plan, and at the point you decide to do so you [i]are already extremely radicalized[/i], that doesn't happen during the planning. I don't believe no one in his surroundings would have noticed he was saying weird things or acting out of the ordinary. There's also the obvious answer of them possibly having radical believes themselves and thus not noticing his views aren't normal. Don't say that's impossible, it is "The European capitol of Jihad" after all!
idk why you got so mad at me for "rejection of facts" when half yr evidence reads more like an /r/conspiracy post than something held in reality
idk why you got so mad at me for "rejection of facts" when half yr evidence reads more like an /r/conspiracy post than something held in reality
why is socialism always both the cause of all that is bad in europe, and credited with all that is good?
ghettos being formed: damn socialists
free healthcare: thank god for socialists
why is socialism always both the cause of all that is bad in europe, and credited with all that is good?
ghettos being formed: damn socialists
free healthcare: thank god for socialists
ghettos being formed: damn socialists
free healthcare: thank god for socialists
Because the american definition of socialism/compared to their 2 party system (see: Bernie sanders) is not what socialism means over here. Also there's no such thing as free and I can guarantee you they aren't responsible or credited for the good things over here.
Because the american definition of socialism/compared to their 2 party system (see: Bernie sanders) is not what socialism means over here. Also there's no such thing as free and I can guarantee you they aren't responsible or credited for the good things over here.
Hey remember kids, the second initifada, where Israeli's had to deal with suicide bombings nearly every day, and then later with gaza and all the rockets. What did Israel do, to decrease the amount of terrorist attacks dramatically?
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.
Alternatively: you're too young to remember what happened in the intifada, and you listened to your marxist professor, to start boycotts vs Israel, not realising, most computer tech in your laptop was engineered in Israel.
Hey remember kids, the second initifada, where Israeli's had to deal with suicide bombings nearly every day, and then later with gaza and all the rockets. What did Israel do, to decrease the amount of terrorist attacks dramatically?
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.
Alternatively: you're too young to remember what happened in the intifada, and you listened to your marxist professor, to start boycotts vs Israel, not realising, most computer tech in your laptop was engineered in Israel.
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.
Alternatively: you're too young to remember what happened in the intifada, and you listened to your marxist professor, to start boycotts vs Israel, not realising, most computer tech in your laptop was engineered in Israel.
sacHey remember kids, the second initifada, where Israeli's had to deal with suicide bombings nearly every day, and then later with gaza and all the rockets. What did Israel do, to decrease the amount of terrorist attacks dramatically?
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.
oh, you mean the conflict wherein israel bombed several civilian schools, and of which their overall death count included several hundred civilian children?
maybe if you keep throwing all these anecdotes out one after the other, one of them'll stick so you don't have to keep switching up the topic
[quote=sac]Hey remember kids, the second initifada, where Israeli's had to deal with suicide bombings nearly every day, and then later with gaza and all the rockets. What did Israel do, to decrease the amount of terrorist attacks dramatically?
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.[/quote]
oh, you mean the conflict wherein israel [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israeli_shelling_of_UNRWA_Gaza_shelters]bombed several civilian schools[/url], and of which their overall death count included several hundred civilian children?
maybe if you keep throwing all these anecdotes out one after the other, one of them'll stick so you don't have to keep switching up the topic
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.[/quote]
oh, you mean the conflict wherein israel [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israeli_shelling_of_UNRWA_Gaza_shelters]bombed several civilian schools[/url], and of which their overall death count included several hundred civilian children?
maybe if you keep throwing all these anecdotes out one after the other, one of them'll stick so you don't have to keep switching up the topic
sacHey remember kids, the second initifada, where Israeli's had to deal with suicide bombings nearly every day, and then later with gaza and all the rockets. What did Israel do, to decrease the amount of terrorist attacks dramatically?
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.
Alternatively: you're too young to remember what happened in the intifada, and you listened to your marxist professor, to start boycotts vs Israel, not realising, most computer tech in your laptop was engineered in Israel.
I won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in China
[quote=sac]Hey remember kids, the second initifada, where Israeli's had to deal with suicide bombings nearly every day, and then later with gaza and all the rockets. What did Israel do, to decrease the amount of terrorist attacks dramatically?
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.
Alternatively: you're too young to remember what happened in the intifada, and you listened to your marxist professor, to start boycotts vs Israel, not realising, most computer tech in your laptop was engineered in Israel.[/quote]
I won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in China
A: they build a wall with checkpoints, and an iron dome, and do surgical strikes on leaders and organisers.
or
B: they stopped being " racist" towards all those Palestinians and opened every border, once the jihadist saw, how nice and pluralistic these sraelis were, Hamas mass surrendered.
Alternatively: you're too young to remember what happened in the intifada, and you listened to your marxist professor, to start boycotts vs Israel, not realising, most computer tech in your laptop was engineered in Israel.[/quote]
I won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in China
trashoh, you mean the conflict wherein israel bombed several civilian schools, of which their overall death count included several hundred civilian children?
maybe if you keep throwing all these anecdotes out one after the other, one of them'll stick so you don't have to keep switching up the topic
"switch up the topic" my first post was on open borders and my last post was. you are running out of ammo, friend. And maybe Israel wouldn't have been forced to bomb schools, if hamas wouldn't stop hiding in them. if terrorists choose to hide behind human shields, there will be collateral damage. That's war, if you don't like it, complain to them, hamas and ISIS actively use children for their warfare, hence you always see a 10 year old, blowing out someone's brain.
And maybe you should read on the Yom Kippoer war, before whining about Israel.
[quote=trash]
oh, you mean the conflict wherein israel bombed several civilian schools, of which their overall death count included several hundred civilian children?
maybe if you keep throwing all these anecdotes out one after the other, one of them'll stick so you don't have to keep switching up the topic[/quote]
"switch up the topic" my first post was on open borders and my last post was. you are running out of ammo, friend. And maybe Israel wouldn't have been forced to bomb schools, if hamas wouldn't stop hiding in them. if terrorists choose to hide behind human shields, there will be collateral damage. That's war, if you don't like it, complain to them, hamas and ISIS actively use children for their warfare, hence you always see a 10 year old, blowing out someone's brain.
And maybe you should read on the Yom Kippoer war, before whining about Israel.
oh, you mean the conflict wherein israel bombed several civilian schools, of which their overall death count included several hundred civilian children?
maybe if you keep throwing all these anecdotes out one after the other, one of them'll stick so you don't have to keep switching up the topic[/quote]
"switch up the topic" my first post was on open borders and my last post was. you are running out of ammo, friend. And maybe Israel wouldn't have been forced to bomb schools, if hamas wouldn't stop hiding in them. if terrorists choose to hide behind human shields, there will be collateral damage. That's war, if you don't like it, complain to them, hamas and ISIS actively use children for their warfare, hence you always see a 10 year old, blowing out someone's brain.
And maybe you should read on the Yom Kippoer war, before whining about Israel.
you switch one anecdote, someone picks it apart, you get another one. you've done it multiple times so far
"it's their fault we're bad at bombing shit to the point our allies told us we were bad at bombing shit" isn't a good excuse
you switch one anecdote, someone picks it apart, you get another one. you've done it multiple times so far
"it's their fault we're bad at bombing shit to the point our allies told us we were bad at bombing shit" isn't a good excuse
"it's their fault we're bad at bombing shit to the point our allies told us we were bad at bombing shit" isn't a good excuse
SocialiteI won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in China
Israel is the only functional democracy in the middle east though. if you want to go after oppression, well.... those oppressive leaders got removed or are in the process of being removed, and it seems that the anarchistic Islamic factions filling up the power vacuum are a tad more oppressive and bloodthirsty..
[quote=Socialite]
I won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in China[/quote]
Israel is the only functional democracy in the middle east though. if you want to go after oppression, well.... those oppressive leaders got removed or are in the process of being removed, and it seems that the anarchistic Islamic factions filling up the power vacuum are a tad more oppressive and bloodthirsty..
I won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in China[/quote]
Israel is the only functional democracy in the middle east though. if you want to go after oppression, well.... those oppressive leaders got removed or are in the process of being removed, and it seems that the anarchistic Islamic factions filling up the power vacuum are a tad more oppressive and bloodthirsty..
sacSocialiteI won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in ChinaIsrael is the only functional democracy in the middle east though. if you want to go after oppression, well.... those oppressive leaders got removed or are in the process of being removed, and it seems that the anarchistic Islamic factions filling up the power vacuum are a tad more oppressive and bloodthirsty..
I'm not supporting FSA
[quote=sac][quote=Socialite]
I won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in China[/quote]
Israel is the only functional democracy in the middle east though. if you want to go after oppression, well.... those oppressive leaders got removed or are in the process of being removed, and it seems that the anarchistic Islamic factions filling up the power vacuum are a tad more oppressive and bloodthirsty..[/quote]
I'm not supporting FSA
I won't start supporting oppression just because I like computers, silliest argument ever. Plus my computer was designed in USA and assembled in China[/quote]
Israel is the only functional democracy in the middle east though. if you want to go after oppression, well.... those oppressive leaders got removed or are in the process of being removed, and it seems that the anarchistic Islamic factions filling up the power vacuum are a tad more oppressive and bloodthirsty..[/quote]
I'm not supporting FSA
it doesn't matter, the idea from them is that not actively campaigning for often ineffective and harmful racist concepts makes you as bad as the terrorists, despite the fact that actual military intelligence would do far more long-term than brute force
it doesn't matter, the idea from them is that not actively campaigning for often ineffective and harmful racist concepts makes you as bad as the terrorists, despite the fact that actual military intelligence would do far more long-term than brute force
SchweppesBecause the american definition of socialism/compared to their 2 party system (see: Bernie sanders) is not what socialism means over here. Also there's no such thing as free and I can guarantee you they aren't responsible or credited for the good things over here.
Why would I use everyday American definitions of socialism? I mean, I'm Swedish and socialism is most definitely both responsible and typically credited for many good things here.
[quote=Schweppes]Because the american definition of socialism/compared to their 2 party system (see: Bernie sanders) is not what socialism means over here. Also there's no such thing as free and I can guarantee you they aren't responsible or credited for the good things over here.[/quote]
Why would I use everyday American definitions of socialism? I mean, I'm Swedish and socialism is most definitely both responsible and typically credited for many good things here.
Why would I use everyday American definitions of socialism? I mean, I'm Swedish and socialism is most definitely both responsible and typically credited for many good things here.
trashit doesn't matter, the idea from them is that not actively campaigning for often ineffective and harmful racist concepts makes you as bad as the terrorists, despite the fact that actual military intelligence would do far more long-term than brute force
Must be frustrating to you, heh, a state that defends it citizens and borders from any harm for decades, while receiving the scorn of the world for existing.
Do you think Mossad usesbehavioral profiling? don't you think they do an assassination on a hezbollah figure every now and then?
Just like South-africa and Rhodesia, they fell to marxist subversion and they are way worse off now. (and before you think this marxist thingy is a joke, read up on which opposition party's Mandela and Mugabe were)
[quote=trash]it doesn't matter, the idea from them is that not actively campaigning for often ineffective and harmful racist concepts makes you as bad as the terrorists, despite the fact that actual military intelligence would do far more long-term than brute force[/quote]
Must be frustrating to you, heh, a state that defends it citizens and borders from any harm for decades, while receiving the scorn of the world for existing.
Do you think Mossad usesbehavioral profiling? don't you think they do an assassination on a hezbollah figure every now and then?
Just like South-africa and Rhodesia, they fell to marxist subversion and they are way worse off now. (and before you think this marxist thingy is a joke, read up on which opposition party's Mandela and Mugabe were)
Must be frustrating to you, heh, a state that defends it citizens and borders from any harm for decades, while receiving the scorn of the world for existing.
Do you think Mossad usesbehavioral profiling? don't you think they do an assassination on a hezbollah figure every now and then?
Just like South-africa and Rhodesia, they fell to marxist subversion and they are way worse off now. (and before you think this marxist thingy is a joke, read up on which opposition party's Mandela and Mugabe were)
canada has one of the most lax cultural mixtures of any NA country, and has little to no terrorist threats at all while still allowing the cultures within it to mingle regularly
yeah, it's real... frustrating to live in a nice country???? idk why you assume me to be frothing mad
sacJust like South-africa and Rhodesia, they fell to marxist subversion and they are way worse off now. (and before you think this marxist thingy is a joke, read up on which opposition party's Mandela and Mugabe were)
went right to another anecdote btw
canada has one of the most lax cultural mixtures of any NA country, and has little to no terrorist threats at all while still allowing the cultures within it to mingle regularly
yeah, it's real... frustrating to live in a nice country???? idk why you assume me to be frothing mad
[quote=sac]Just like South-africa and Rhodesia, they fell to marxist subversion and they are way worse off now. (and before you think this marxist thingy is a joke, read up on which opposition party's Mandela and Mugabe were)[/quote]
went right to another anecdote btw
yeah, it's real... frustrating to live in a nice country???? idk why you assume me to be frothing mad
[quote=sac]Just like South-africa and Rhodesia, they fell to marxist subversion and they are way worse off now. (and before you think this marxist thingy is a joke, read up on which opposition party's Mandela and Mugabe were)[/quote]
went right to another anecdote btw
trashcanada has one of the most lax cultural mixtures of any NA country, and has little to no terrorist threats at all while still allowing the cultures within it to mingle regularly
yeah, it's real... frustrating???? idk why you assume me to be frothing mad
went right to another anecdote btw
The entire world is an anecdote??
and i'm the one, that gets accused of switching topics lmao
Also the reason Canada has nearly no terrorist threats is : it's a part of the "5 eyes" intelligence group, which means the best intelligence and data pool in the world. And Canada is incredibly irrelevant and VERY far away from any conflict regions.. unlike Israel, which its most fierce enemies are outside the borders and within. Next thing you gonna say, AND WHAT ABOUT ICELAND?? they have no terrorists too!!
[quote=trash]canada has one of the most lax cultural mixtures of any NA country, and has little to no terrorist threats at all while still allowing the cultures within it to mingle regularly
yeah, it's real... frustrating???? idk why you assume me to be frothing mad
went right to another anecdote btw[/quote]
The entire world is an anecdote??
and i'm the one, that gets accused of switching topics lmao
Also the reason Canada has nearly no terrorist threats is : it's a part of the "5 eyes" intelligence group, which means the best intelligence and data pool in the world. And Canada is incredibly irrelevant and VERY far away from any conflict regions.. unlike Israel, which its most fierce enemies are outside the borders and within. Next thing you gonna say, AND WHAT ABOUT ICELAND?? they have no terrorists too!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions
yeah, it's real... frustrating???? idk why you assume me to be frothing mad
went right to another anecdote btw[/quote]
The entire world is an anecdote??
and i'm the one, that gets accused of switching topics lmao
Also the reason Canada has nearly no terrorist threats is : it's a part of the "5 eyes" intelligence group, which means the best intelligence and data pool in the world. And Canada is incredibly irrelevant and VERY far away from any conflict regions.. unlike Israel, which its most fierce enemies are outside the borders and within. Next thing you gonna say, AND WHAT ABOUT ICELAND?? they have no terrorists too!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions
sacThe entire world is an anecdote??
are we playing semantics forever or should I explain in more detail why you changing your example every single time the example before it is sufficiently picked apart isn't very good for actual discourse
it's a part of the "5 eyes" intelligence group, which means the best intelligence and data pool in the world.
why, it's almost like intel works!
And Canada is incredibly irrelevant and VERY far away from any conflict regions.
which is why we're going to be letting in a large amount of syrian refugees, which apparently most racists in canada believe are terrorists, gotcha
[quote=sac]The entire world is an anecdote??[/quote]
are we playing semantics forever or should I explain in more detail why you changing your example every single time the example before it is sufficiently picked apart isn't very good for actual discourse
[quote]it's a part of the "5 eyes" intelligence group, which means the best intelligence and data pool in the world.[/quote]
why, it's almost like intel works!
[quote]And Canada is incredibly irrelevant and VERY far away from any conflict regions.[/quote]
which is why we're going to be letting in a large amount of syrian refugees, which apparently most racists in canada believe are terrorists, gotcha
are we playing semantics forever or should I explain in more detail why you changing your example every single time the example before it is sufficiently picked apart isn't very good for actual discourse
[quote]it's a part of the "5 eyes" intelligence group, which means the best intelligence and data pool in the world.[/quote]
why, it's almost like intel works!
[quote]And Canada is incredibly irrelevant and VERY far away from any conflict regions.[/quote]
which is why we're going to be letting in a large amount of syrian refugees, which apparently most racists in canada believe are terrorists, gotcha
trashsacThe entire world is an anecdote??are we playing semantics forever or should I explain in more detail why you changing your example every single time the example before it is sufficiently picked apart isn't very good for actual discourse
oh yea, picked apart, like that one time you thought half of the population wanting to kill you for leaving Islam was not so bad" if there are many examples supporting one claim, and you can't explain them away, something might be wrong with your view.
I have no idea what you are trying to say besides "look at me unloading this mag into my foot"
[quote=trash][quote=sac]The entire world is an anecdote??[/quote]
are we playing semantics forever or should I explain in more detail why you changing your example every single time the example before it is sufficiently picked apart isn't very good for actual discourse[/quote]
oh yea, picked apart, like that one time you thought half of the population wanting to kill you for leaving Islam was not so bad" if there are many examples supporting one claim, and you can't explain them away, something might be wrong with your view.
I have no idea what you are trying to say besides "look at me unloading this mag into my foot"
are we playing semantics forever or should I explain in more detail why you changing your example every single time the example before it is sufficiently picked apart isn't very good for actual discourse[/quote]
oh yea, picked apart, like that one time you thought half of the population wanting to kill you for leaving Islam was not so bad" if there are many examples supporting one claim, and you can't explain them away, something might be wrong with your view.
I have no idea what you are trying to say besides "look at me unloading this mag into my foot"
sacoh yea, picked apart, like that one time you thought half of the population wanting to kill you for leaving Islam was not so bad" if there are many examples supporting one claim, and you can't explain them away, something might be wrong with your view.
you're going back to that strawman you set up, I guess? I never said that's "not so bad", no matter how many spooky scarequotes you feel like putting in there, I was using it to point out how easy it is to focus down extremism, and how I could do that with just about anything.
did you know that a good chunk of your posts in this thread are over a faux-apathy obsession to me? I think we should lock down the borders of this thread, keep your type out
[quote=sac]oh yea, picked apart, like that one time you thought half of the population wanting to kill you for leaving Islam was not so bad" if there are many examples supporting one claim, and you can't explain them away, something might be wrong with your view.[/quote]
you're going back to that strawman you set up, I guess? I never said that's "not so bad", no matter how many spooky scarequotes you feel like putting in there, I was using it to point out how easy it is to focus down extremism, and how I could do that with just about anything.
did you know that a good chunk of your posts in this thread are over a faux-apathy obsession to me? I think we should lock down the borders of this thread, keep your type out
you're going back to that strawman you set up, I guess? I never said that's "not so bad", no matter how many spooky scarequotes you feel like putting in there, I was using it to point out how easy it is to focus down extremism, and how I could do that with just about anything.
did you know that a good chunk of your posts in this thread are over a faux-apathy obsession to me? I think we should lock down the borders of this thread, keep your type out
We're not allowed to collect tons of intel here though, we have some of the least in Europe. That would be like 1984 and racist.
One politician here suggested today to abolish the senate and use this money on better surveillance. (Why this would work: It's irrelevant over here with our 6 governments, though if you're interested in the details of the horribly inefficient Belgian system - which I doubt -, there's some good sources out there).
It would save tons of money spent on career politicians that usually don't even show up in the senate. The left immediately rejected the idea, saying it's fear mongering, third reich behavior. Yet they haven't suggested anything themselves other than "being more tolerant".
Yes, I'm sure that will magically rid Molenbeek, Borgerhout and others of radicalization from people that hate our values and guts.
We're not allowed to collect tons of intel here though, we have some of the least in Europe. That would be like 1984 and racist.
One politician here suggested today to abolish the senate and use this money on better surveillance. (Why this would work: It's irrelevant over here with our 6 governments, though if you're interested in the details of the horribly inefficient Belgian system - which I doubt -, there's some good sources out there).
It would save[i] tons[/i] of money spent on career politicians that usually don't even show up in the senate. The left immediately rejected the idea, saying it's fear mongering, third reich behavior. Yet they haven't suggested anything themselves other than "being more tolerant".
Yes, I'm sure that will magically rid Molenbeek, Borgerhout and others of radicalization from people that hate our values and guts.
One politician here suggested today to abolish the senate and use this money on better surveillance. (Why this would work: It's irrelevant over here with our 6 governments, though if you're interested in the details of the horribly inefficient Belgian system - which I doubt -, there's some good sources out there).
It would save[i] tons[/i] of money spent on career politicians that usually don't even show up in the senate. The left immediately rejected the idea, saying it's fear mongering, third reich behavior. Yet they haven't suggested anything themselves other than "being more tolerant".
Yes, I'm sure that will magically rid Molenbeek, Borgerhout and others of radicalization from people that hate our values and guts.
source"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
trash, he got set up into this strawman ;_; why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?
Let's run numbers,
Indonesia 255 million 55% of those want you dead if you leave the religion, a good 100 million.
Lebanon 5 million 24% thats 1million
Turkey 75 million nearly 20 million
A Heavy rejection surely according to trash's standards
Islam is the only major religion where the punishment for apostasy is death
Uzbekistan"There is no place here for Christians," Primbetov was warned two years ago, when the village's most wealthy and influential man mounted a vicious campaign against fewer than 100 Protestant believers. "Our whole population here is Muslim," village strongman Tokhtabay Sadikov told the families who had converted to Christianity. "So you'd better go to Kazakhstan or Russia, if you want to be Christians."
. . .
Protestant believers in the predominantly Kazakh village of 12,000 are now refused access to drinking water for their homes, with men, women and even children subjected to severe beatings for their faith, Primbetov told Compass. Others have lost their jobs or businesses, had their homes attacked or confiscated and faced astronomical fines for participating in house church meetings.
. . .
In the face of overt opposition, more than half of Janbashkala's Christian families have fled the village, located in the Uzbekistan's autonomous region of Karakalpakstan. Only 20 of the remaining church members still dare to meet for worship with Primbetov, the first man in the village to become a Christian five years ago.
Yemen Yemen court meted out the death penalty Wednesday to a Somali refugee for converting from Islam to Christianity, unless he recants within seven days. Mohammed Omer Haji, 27, was given a one-week ultimatum by Adens Tawahi Court to return to Islam, or face execution under Islamic law for committing apostasy. "His situation is very serious and very dangerous," the converts defense lawyer, Mohammed Abdul Karim Omarawi, told Compass.
. . .
According to a handwritten letter from Haji drafted after his first arrest this year, five Yemen security police detained him at his home on January 16. After 23 days in the Tawahi police station, he was transferred to security police custody, and then imprisoned in the Mansoora Jail until his release March 13.Haji said police officials gave him no reason for his arrest except his Christian faith. They slapped and hit him, he said, declaring, "We arrested you because you are a Christian. You are George, the Christian Somali."An article in the Islam party's Al Sahwah newspaper during this first imprisonment reported that Haji had declared to Tawahi police that he and his wife had embraced Christianity, and that he had changed his name from Mohammed to George. The report said documents indicated both the husband and wife had been born of Muslim parents in Somalia.
. . .
Throughout the following weeks, Haji said he was threatened and beaten every night, "very badly," with police officers warning him they would kill him if he did not return to Islam. The officials interrogated him repeatedly about any other Somali Christians he knew, he said. "They were beating and punishing me every night, [so] I was not able even to stand and walk and even to talk," he stated.On what the convert called "my worst night," three security officers and another three policemen masked him and took him up a high mountain at midnight. After giving him a severe beating, they vowed to throw him off the mountain if he refused to recant. "To save my life that night," Haji admitted, "I said I believe in Islam. Otherwise I would have died."The following day, the Yemen authorities allowed another individual with UNHCR connections to talk privately with Haji. The convert said this person advised him, "No one can do anything for you. So you'd better become a Muslim to end your problems.
ugandaA former member of a Muslim extremist group in Uganda who converted to Christianity is in hiding in Kenya, his movements severely restricted following threats to kill him.
Hassan Sharif Lubenga, 54, was a sheikh and member of the Buk Haram, a violent group of Islamists whose name suggests the Bible is corrupt and therefore forbidden.
. . .
Lubenga fled to Kenya last July 10 after hostilities peaked, and upon returning to Uganda in September he received messages on his cell phone from mujahidin – Islamic fighters – threatening to kill him, he said. He reported the threats to Chengera police, who told him they would investigate, but in October a friend told him that he'd heard in a Chengera mosque that his former colleagues were enraged and planning to kill him.
. . .
When Lubenga felt like giving up on his new faith, he said, he received a call from Bishop Umar Mulinde, his former pastor at Gospel Life Church International who was scarred in a Christmas Eve acid attack by Muslim extremists. Mulinde told him the church was praying for him, and Lubenga was deeply heartened, he said.
"All my family members have deserted me," he said by telephone. "The Muslims are looking to kill me. I need protection and help."
The Islamic extremists who had declared war on "infidels" such as Lubenga had been threatening him since 2007, when he first began to speak of dreams and visions of Christ. Dangers peaked in 2010, when Muslims saw him visiting a church in Uganda. By April 2010, one of his four wives had poisoned him because of his budding faith in Christ, leaving him unconscious, he said. After his recovery, he fled Chengera to a village 25 kilometers from Kampala, Kiwangala.
. . .
In 2007, he said, he told his Muslim jihadist friends that he had seen Jesus in a dream. He said they had warned him, "Do not make such a mistake again – we are ready to help you. If you continue with this move, then we will destroy you. You know that you are a sheikh."
He reported the threats to police at Insanje sub-county, Wakizo district, angering his colleagues, who sent threatening letters.
"I explained to them that it is Jesus who came to me, and not I who sought Him," he said. "They were furious. They then kidnapped me and blindfolded me for three days, coupled with beatings. They demanded I deny Jesus as the Son of God, which I consented to because I feared that they were going to kill me."
. . .
"I heard that nowadays you do go to church, and you are claiming that you saw Jesus," his father told him. When he answered in the affirmative, reaffirming his decision to follow Jesus, his father was crestfallen; he later committed suicide, leaving a letter that read, "I have decided to kill myself because my son became a Christian" and urged all family members to curse him.
Lubenga said that since then he has been in hiding, growing more terrified as threats intensified.
. . .
Two of his wives had left him in 2007; one has decided to stay with him, and he has been sharing his faith with her. The fourth wife, whom he married five years ago, is a Christian who has also received death threats; six months pregnant, she has fled to an undisclosed location.
do you want me to post a full list of countries and practices vs apostasy, becuase that would fill up a page or so
[quote=source]"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
[/quote]
[quote=trash, he got set up into this strawman ;_; ]why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?[/quote]
Let's run numbers,
Indonesia 255 million 55% of those want you dead if you leave the religion, a good 100 million.
Lebanon 5 million 24% thats 1million
Turkey 75 million nearly 20 million
A Heavy rejection surely according to trash's standards
Islam is the only major religion where the punishment for apostasy is death
[quote=Uzbekistan]"There is no place here for Christians," Primbetov was warned two years ago, when the village's most wealthy and influential man mounted a vicious campaign against fewer than 100 Protestant believers. "Our whole population here is Muslim," village strongman Tokhtabay Sadikov told the families who had converted to Christianity. "So you'd better go to Kazakhstan or Russia, if you want to be Christians."
. . .
Protestant believers in the predominantly Kazakh village of 12,000 are now refused access to drinking water for their homes, with men, women and even children subjected to severe beatings for their faith, Primbetov told Compass. Others have lost their jobs or businesses, had their homes attacked or confiscated and faced astronomical fines for participating in house church meetings.
. . .
In the face of overt opposition, more than half of Janbashkala's Christian families have fled the village, located in the Uzbekistan's autonomous region of Karakalpakstan. Only 20 of the remaining church members still dare to meet for worship with Primbetov, the first man in the village to become a Christian five years ago.[/quote]
[quote=Yemen] Yemen court meted out the death penalty Wednesday to a Somali refugee for converting from Islam to Christianity, unless he recants within seven days. Mohammed Omer Haji, 27, was given a one-week ultimatum by Adens Tawahi Court to return to Islam, or face execution under Islamic law for committing apostasy. "His situation is very serious and very dangerous," the converts defense lawyer, Mohammed Abdul Karim Omarawi, told Compass.
. . .
According to a handwritten letter from Haji drafted after his first arrest this year, five Yemen security police detained him at his home on January 16. After 23 days in the Tawahi police station, he was transferred to security police custody, and then imprisoned in the Mansoora Jail until his release March 13.Haji said police officials gave him no reason for his arrest except his Christian faith. They slapped and hit him, he said, declaring, "We arrested you because you are a Christian. You are George, the Christian Somali."An article in the Islam party's Al Sahwah newspaper during this first imprisonment reported that Haji had declared to Tawahi police that he and his wife had embraced Christianity, and that he had changed his name from Mohammed to George. The report said documents indicated both the husband and wife had been born of Muslim parents in Somalia.
. . .
Throughout the following weeks, Haji said he was threatened and beaten every night, "very badly," with police officers warning him they would kill him if he did not return to Islam. The officials interrogated him repeatedly about any other Somali Christians he knew, he said. "They were beating and punishing me every night, [so] I was not able even to stand and walk and even to talk," he stated.On what the convert called "my worst night," three security officers and another three policemen masked him and took him up a high mountain at midnight. After giving him a severe beating, they vowed to throw him off the mountain if he refused to recant. "To save my life that night," Haji admitted, "I said I believe in Islam. Otherwise I would have died."The following day, the Yemen authorities allowed another individual with UNHCR connections to talk privately with Haji. The convert said this person advised him, "No one can do anything for you. So you'd better become a Muslim to end your problems.
[/quote]
[quote=uganda]A former member of a Muslim extremist group in Uganda who converted to Christianity is in hiding in Kenya, his movements severely restricted following threats to kill him.
Hassan Sharif Lubenga, 54, was a sheikh and member of the Buk Haram, a violent group of Islamists whose name suggests the Bible is corrupt and therefore forbidden.
. . .
Lubenga fled to Kenya last July 10 after hostilities peaked, and upon returning to Uganda in September he received messages on his cell phone from mujahidin – Islamic fighters – threatening to kill him, he said. He reported the threats to Chengera police, who told him they would investigate, but in October a friend told him that he'd heard in a Chengera mosque that his former colleagues were enraged and planning to kill him.
. . .
When Lubenga felt like giving up on his new faith, he said, he received a call from Bishop Umar Mulinde, his former pastor at Gospel Life Church International who was scarred in a Christmas Eve acid attack by Muslim extremists. Mulinde told him the church was praying for him, and Lubenga was deeply heartened, he said.
"All my family members have deserted me," he said by telephone. "The Muslims are looking to kill me. I need protection and help."
The Islamic extremists who had declared war on "infidels" such as Lubenga had been threatening him since 2007, when he first began to speak of dreams and visions of Christ. Dangers peaked in 2010, when Muslims saw him visiting a church in Uganda. By April 2010, one of his four wives had poisoned him because of his budding faith in Christ, leaving him unconscious, he said. After his recovery, he fled Chengera to a village 25 kilometers from Kampala, Kiwangala.
. . .
In 2007, he said, he told his Muslim jihadist friends that he had seen Jesus in a dream. He said they had warned him, "Do not make such a mistake again – we are ready to help you. If you continue with this move, then we will destroy you. You know that you are a sheikh."
He reported the threats to police at Insanje sub-county, Wakizo district, angering his colleagues, who sent threatening letters.
"I explained to them that it is Jesus who came to me, and not I who sought Him," he said. "They were furious. They then kidnapped me and blindfolded me for three days, coupled with beatings. They demanded I deny Jesus as the Son of God, which I consented to because I feared that they were going to kill me."
. . .
"I heard that nowadays you do go to church, and you are claiming that you saw Jesus," his father told him. When he answered in the affirmative, reaffirming his decision to follow Jesus, his father was crestfallen; he later committed suicide, leaving a letter that read, "I have decided to kill myself because my son became a Christian" and urged all family members to curse him.
Lubenga said that since then he has been in hiding, growing more terrified as threats intensified.
. . .
Two of his wives had left him in 2007; one has decided to stay with him, and he has been sharing his faith with her. The fourth wife, whom he married five years ago, is a Christian who has also received death threats; six months pregnant, she has fled to an undisclosed location.[/quote]
do you want me to post a full list of countries and practices vs apostasy, becuase that would fill up a page or so
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
[/quote]
[quote=trash, he got set up into this strawman ;_; ]why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?[/quote]
Let's run numbers,
Indonesia 255 million 55% of those want you dead if you leave the religion, a good 100 million.
Lebanon 5 million 24% thats 1million
Turkey 75 million nearly 20 million
A Heavy rejection surely according to trash's standards
Islam is the only major religion where the punishment for apostasy is death
[quote=Uzbekistan]"There is no place here for Christians," Primbetov was warned two years ago, when the village's most wealthy and influential man mounted a vicious campaign against fewer than 100 Protestant believers. "Our whole population here is Muslim," village strongman Tokhtabay Sadikov told the families who had converted to Christianity. "So you'd better go to Kazakhstan or Russia, if you want to be Christians."
. . .
Protestant believers in the predominantly Kazakh village of 12,000 are now refused access to drinking water for their homes, with men, women and even children subjected to severe beatings for their faith, Primbetov told Compass. Others have lost their jobs or businesses, had their homes attacked or confiscated and faced astronomical fines for participating in house church meetings.
. . .
In the face of overt opposition, more than half of Janbashkala's Christian families have fled the village, located in the Uzbekistan's autonomous region of Karakalpakstan. Only 20 of the remaining church members still dare to meet for worship with Primbetov, the first man in the village to become a Christian five years ago.[/quote]
[quote=Yemen] Yemen court meted out the death penalty Wednesday to a Somali refugee for converting from Islam to Christianity, unless he recants within seven days. Mohammed Omer Haji, 27, was given a one-week ultimatum by Adens Tawahi Court to return to Islam, or face execution under Islamic law for committing apostasy. "His situation is very serious and very dangerous," the converts defense lawyer, Mohammed Abdul Karim Omarawi, told Compass.
. . .
According to a handwritten letter from Haji drafted after his first arrest this year, five Yemen security police detained him at his home on January 16. After 23 days in the Tawahi police station, he was transferred to security police custody, and then imprisoned in the Mansoora Jail until his release March 13.Haji said police officials gave him no reason for his arrest except his Christian faith. They slapped and hit him, he said, declaring, "We arrested you because you are a Christian. You are George, the Christian Somali."An article in the Islam party's Al Sahwah newspaper during this first imprisonment reported that Haji had declared to Tawahi police that he and his wife had embraced Christianity, and that he had changed his name from Mohammed to George. The report said documents indicated both the husband and wife had been born of Muslim parents in Somalia.
. . .
Throughout the following weeks, Haji said he was threatened and beaten every night, "very badly," with police officers warning him they would kill him if he did not return to Islam. The officials interrogated him repeatedly about any other Somali Christians he knew, he said. "They were beating and punishing me every night, [so] I was not able even to stand and walk and even to talk," he stated.On what the convert called "my worst night," three security officers and another three policemen masked him and took him up a high mountain at midnight. After giving him a severe beating, they vowed to throw him off the mountain if he refused to recant. "To save my life that night," Haji admitted, "I said I believe in Islam. Otherwise I would have died."The following day, the Yemen authorities allowed another individual with UNHCR connections to talk privately with Haji. The convert said this person advised him, "No one can do anything for you. So you'd better become a Muslim to end your problems.
[/quote]
[quote=uganda]A former member of a Muslim extremist group in Uganda who converted to Christianity is in hiding in Kenya, his movements severely restricted following threats to kill him.
Hassan Sharif Lubenga, 54, was a sheikh and member of the Buk Haram, a violent group of Islamists whose name suggests the Bible is corrupt and therefore forbidden.
. . .
Lubenga fled to Kenya last July 10 after hostilities peaked, and upon returning to Uganda in September he received messages on his cell phone from mujahidin – Islamic fighters – threatening to kill him, he said. He reported the threats to Chengera police, who told him they would investigate, but in October a friend told him that he'd heard in a Chengera mosque that his former colleagues were enraged and planning to kill him.
. . .
When Lubenga felt like giving up on his new faith, he said, he received a call from Bishop Umar Mulinde, his former pastor at Gospel Life Church International who was scarred in a Christmas Eve acid attack by Muslim extremists. Mulinde told him the church was praying for him, and Lubenga was deeply heartened, he said.
"All my family members have deserted me," he said by telephone. "The Muslims are looking to kill me. I need protection and help."
The Islamic extremists who had declared war on "infidels" such as Lubenga had been threatening him since 2007, when he first began to speak of dreams and visions of Christ. Dangers peaked in 2010, when Muslims saw him visiting a church in Uganda. By April 2010, one of his four wives had poisoned him because of his budding faith in Christ, leaving him unconscious, he said. After his recovery, he fled Chengera to a village 25 kilometers from Kampala, Kiwangala.
. . .
In 2007, he said, he told his Muslim jihadist friends that he had seen Jesus in a dream. He said they had warned him, "Do not make such a mistake again – we are ready to help you. If you continue with this move, then we will destroy you. You know that you are a sheikh."
He reported the threats to police at Insanje sub-county, Wakizo district, angering his colleagues, who sent threatening letters.
"I explained to them that it is Jesus who came to me, and not I who sought Him," he said. "They were furious. They then kidnapped me and blindfolded me for three days, coupled with beatings. They demanded I deny Jesus as the Son of God, which I consented to because I feared that they were going to kill me."
. . .
"I heard that nowadays you do go to church, and you are claiming that you saw Jesus," his father told him. When he answered in the affirmative, reaffirming his decision to follow Jesus, his father was crestfallen; he later committed suicide, leaving a letter that read, "I have decided to kill myself because my son became a Christian" and urged all family members to curse him.
Lubenga said that since then he has been in hiding, growing more terrified as threats intensified.
. . .
Two of his wives had left him in 2007; one has decided to stay with him, and he has been sharing his faith with her. The fourth wife, whom he married five years ago, is a Christian who has also received death threats; six months pregnant, she has fled to an undisclosed location.[/quote]
do you want me to post a full list of countries and practices vs apostasy, becuase that would fill up a page or so
...so you respond by continuing the strawman???
you're odd
...so you respond by continuing the strawman???
you're odd
you're odd
The comedy when a person starts to defend apartheid South Africa and Israeli policies that make life unlivable (and contribute directly to radicalization). I mean there's no redeeming that. It's not only racist it's defeatist.
The crisis in Syria is objective - if life weren't so horrible there - people would be coming and going at the normal rate, but instead arms were given to suspect people by Western nations and they turned those arms against the West, as they've done time and time again. Are some quantity of persons with bad intentions going to attempt to pose as refugees to obtain entry into nations which they wish to attack? Of course - they would be attempting to gain such entry regardless of the refugee situation.
I highly doubt that refugees are being accepted without any sort of security check at all, but still, some with bad intentions will slip through - as they would likely have slipped through standard VISA practices absent the refugee crisis.
To suggest that Western nations ought to embrace abhorrent policies in response is nothing but a defeat. It is to say that the ideals at the very core of Western civilization are insufficient for combating a creature that it has created directly.
Ya'll can hold whatever sort of reprobate ideas you'd like, but what is the end result? Take it to the end - I don't see anything in that place of the slightest merit. The only dialogue in that place is "won't these policies only enhance the potency of terrorist ideologies?" and the only response which can be given is "no, it won't everything will be fine!"
If the abhorrent policies being defended by our Belgian-flagged friends actually worked there wouldn't be intractable problems lasting for 40+ years.
The comedy when a person starts to defend apartheid South Africa and Israeli policies that make life unlivable (and contribute directly to radicalization). I mean there's no redeeming that. It's not only racist it's defeatist.
The crisis in Syria is objective - if life weren't so horrible there - people would be coming and going at the normal rate, but instead arms were given to suspect people by Western nations and they turned those arms against the West, as they've done time and time again. Are some quantity of persons with bad intentions going to attempt to pose as refugees to obtain entry into nations which they wish to attack? Of course - they would be attempting to gain such entry regardless of the refugee situation.
I highly doubt that refugees are being accepted without any sort of security check at all, but still, some with bad intentions will slip through - as they would likely have slipped through standard VISA practices absent the refugee crisis.
To suggest that Western nations ought to embrace abhorrent policies in response is nothing but a defeat. It is to say that the ideals at the very core of Western civilization are insufficient for combating a creature that it has created [i]directly[/i].
Ya'll can hold whatever sort of reprobate ideas you'd like, but what is the end result? Take it to the end - I don't see anything in that place of the slightest merit. The only dialogue in that place is "won't these policies only enhance the potency of terrorist ideologies?" and the only response which can be given is "no, it won't everything will be fine!"
If the abhorrent policies being defended by our Belgian-flagged friends actually worked there wouldn't be intractable problems lasting for 40+ years.
The crisis in Syria is objective - if life weren't so horrible there - people would be coming and going at the normal rate, but instead arms were given to suspect people by Western nations and they turned those arms against the West, as they've done time and time again. Are some quantity of persons with bad intentions going to attempt to pose as refugees to obtain entry into nations which they wish to attack? Of course - they would be attempting to gain such entry regardless of the refugee situation.
I highly doubt that refugees are being accepted without any sort of security check at all, but still, some with bad intentions will slip through - as they would likely have slipped through standard VISA practices absent the refugee crisis.
To suggest that Western nations ought to embrace abhorrent policies in response is nothing but a defeat. It is to say that the ideals at the very core of Western civilization are insufficient for combating a creature that it has created [i]directly[/i].
Ya'll can hold whatever sort of reprobate ideas you'd like, but what is the end result? Take it to the end - I don't see anything in that place of the slightest merit. The only dialogue in that place is "won't these policies only enhance the potency of terrorist ideologies?" and the only response which can be given is "no, it won't everything will be fine!"
If the abhorrent policies being defended by our Belgian-flagged friends actually worked there wouldn't be intractable problems lasting for 40+ years.
MarxistIf the abhorrent policies being defended by our Belgian-flagged friends actually worked there wouldn't be intractable problems lasting for 40+ years.
The only reason, Israel in it's current form still exists, and Rhodesia and South Africa didn't, is exactly, because they switched up their policy to cooperation and sharing of power, after decades of sanctions and scorn. The real sad history of Africa and asia, is during the decolonisation, they became a proxy for the cold war, many noble intellectuals died in various countries to be replaced by military figureheads, like Zaire, angola, and all across southern america, and in the middle east, like Mossadegh in Iran
and having the name Marxist as your name highly ironic for someone who speaks so humane, considering marxist policies have been indirectly responsible for the death of tens of millions, from the Holodomor, to the cultural revolutions.
[quote=Marxist]
If the abhorrent policies being defended by our Belgian-flagged friends actually worked there wouldn't be intractable problems lasting for 40+ years.[/quote]
The only reason, Israel in it's current form still exists, and Rhodesia and South Africa didn't, is exactly, because they switched up their policy to cooperation and sharing of power, after decades of sanctions and scorn. The real sad history of Africa and asia, is during the decolonisation, they became a proxy for the cold war, many noble intellectuals died in various countries to be replaced by military figureheads, like Zaire, angola, and all across southern america, and in the middle east, like Mossadegh in Iran
and having the name Marxist as your name highly ironic for someone who speaks so humane, considering marxist policies have been indirectly responsible for the death of tens of millions, from the Holodomor, to the cultural revolutions.
If the abhorrent policies being defended by our Belgian-flagged friends actually worked there wouldn't be intractable problems lasting for 40+ years.[/quote]
The only reason, Israel in it's current form still exists, and Rhodesia and South Africa didn't, is exactly, because they switched up their policy to cooperation and sharing of power, after decades of sanctions and scorn. The real sad history of Africa and asia, is during the decolonisation, they became a proxy for the cold war, many noble intellectuals died in various countries to be replaced by military figureheads, like Zaire, angola, and all across southern america, and in the middle east, like Mossadegh in Iran
and having the name Marxist as your name highly ironic for someone who speaks so humane, considering marxist policies have been indirectly responsible for the death of tens of millions, from the Holodomor, to the cultural revolutions.
MarxistTo suggest that Western nations ought to embrace abhorrent policies in response is nothing but a defeat. It is to say that the ideals at the very core of Western civilization are insufficient for combating a creature that it has created directly.
So what do you suggest, laissez-faire?
http://static0.hln.be/static/photo/2015/17/10/7/20151116131424/media_xll_8168782.jpg
You two would like each other.
[quote=Marxist]
To suggest that Western nations ought to embrace abhorrent policies in response is nothing but a defeat. It is to say that the ideals at the very core of Western civilization are insufficient for combating a creature that it has created [i]directly[/i].
[/quote]
So what do you suggest,[i] laissez-faire?[/i]
http://static0.hln.be/static/photo/2015/17/10/7/20151116131424/media_xll_8168782.jpg
You two would like each other.
To suggest that Western nations ought to embrace abhorrent policies in response is nothing but a defeat. It is to say that the ideals at the very core of Western civilization are insufficient for combating a creature that it has created [i]directly[/i].
[/quote]
So what do you suggest,[i] laissez-faire?[/i]
http://static0.hln.be/static/photo/2015/17/10/7/20151116131424/media_xll_8168782.jpg
You two would like each other.
actually jesus christ I just checked, literally two-thirds of all of your posts on tftv have been in this thread
have you considered playing some videogames
actually jesus christ I just checked, literally two-thirds of all of your posts on tftv have been in this thread
have you considered playing some videogames
have you considered playing some videogames
Can this discussion stop? You're all making some terrible points. And you don't finish a single argument, all you do is attack eachothers arguments for 2 post and then suddenly bring up something somewhat half related to what you were talking about and repeat.
Can this discussion stop? You're all making some terrible points. And you don't finish a single argument, all you do is attack eachothers arguments for 2 post and then suddenly bring up something somewhat half related to what you were talking about and repeat.
-protojesus christ this is cringe, sac and trash u are both retards
fair enough. I was just confused moreso than anything else during, but in hindsight this was obnoxious on my part when my core point was to try and limit this discussion to begin with
my apologies. I'll chill outta this thread, me think
[quote=-proto]jesus christ this is cringe, sac and trash u are both retards[/quote]
fair enough. I was just confused moreso than anything else during, but in hindsight this was obnoxious on my part when my core point was to try and limit this discussion to begin with
my apologies. I'll chill outta this thread, me think
fair enough. I was just confused moreso than anything else during, but in hindsight this was obnoxious on my part when my core point was to try and limit this discussion to begin with
my apologies. I'll chill outta this thread, me think
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