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Because higher level players playing in lower divs doesnt happen in ESEA right?

looking at their record, its not really a sandbag if theyre losing matches to silver teams

Well they very clearly threw 2 rounds against us. I think they're just dicking around in silver and throwing to stay mid silver. They also ran sniper a lot and were just goofing off and still beat our ass.

Are you really complaining when there record is (3-3)? Get over it. And most of those people have played highlander more than 6s.

if they wanna fuck around in have fun and by doing that they lose to silver teams then theyre in the right div no?

but theyre all bad

nokk how could u

You may be upset but smobo is totally right regardless if he happens to know them or not. If they're truely sandbagging the division then they shouldn't have three losses already. They are beatable in the Silver division but can still win in the Silver division, so they belong in Silver.

Just because you go to profile pages and see Platinum over and over again it doesn't mean they're so much more experienced either. Half of these guys are offclassing from their Highlander mains and a some of these seasons are backing up/roster riding too (Pulse who doesn't even start for them).

It honestly just sounds like you lost to a team that was better than you immediately looked for excuses to reassure yourself.

If you read the OP I said that I brought this up with the admins before the match even happened.

question answered.

idk why "they CLEARLY have losses!" would matter in this argument. if they'd throw rounds (and their intent is just to fuck around in a division they can stomp), why wouldn't they similarly throw matches to keep face?

That doesn't change my statement at all. Would you have honestly made this thread about "sandbaggers" if you beat them?

If you think they're entirely throwing half of their matches to play in the division then get a different admin to ask for povs/stv if you care that much.

No, I would make a thread bragging about beating sandbagger instead.

last season in open there was an open team with more invite experience than most open teams. clam bake right? i dont know why youre complaining about this just to get a free win

most of the people who are "platinum" are plat hl players who dont take 6s seriously at all

maybe you should play steel so theres only gold sandbaggers x)

Why not post this on the UGC forums instead?

I didn't know people posted there besides LF scrims/teams.

the actual argument here should be related to whether or not this team actually is sandbagging (and not just, as other ppl mentioned, HL players trying to get into 6s), which is kind of the shaky bit right now

"well other leagues do it" isn't really a good argument, because sandbagging to lower divs for an easy season sort of misses the point of why leagues have divisions in the first place

There were 2-3 players with plat 6s experience on the team as well.

Being a UGC shitter, I scrimmed that team earlier this season since my team is in silver. Didn't feel any different from other silver teams. HL experience doesn't always mean they're good in 6s. Probably should've posted to UGC forums though tbh.

From season 10 when there were like 2-3 divisions; 9 seasons/3 years ago, and honestly probably nobody except them knows who actually played and how much experience they got. You can't assume anything from UGC player experience pages.

Every league UGC, ESEA, whatever, is going to have player playing lower than their true capability for a variety for reasons. It might be a desire to dick around or they might not have time to play in a higher more serious division or maybe they just want to seem like gods. As long as people want to do this it isn't gonna stop, this is true in games like CS:GO too and I'm sure it's true in other games as well. If it's any consolation this is true in Gold and Plat

http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=10255
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=18325

and if you want proof for ESEA just look at the top open teams from the last few seasons.

It's not what you want to hear but this is completely spot on. That's why it's called open. Anyone can join, you get pwned then get better from learning why you got pwned. Yeah losing sucks but its better to play 16 matches with teams consistently closer to your level and learn from all of them. Or you can play in UGC against inconsistent "joke" teams with 6 silver players one day and then have their "A team" come in to wipe you in playoffs. You find out your skill level and then work from there. Plus the added financial burden of paying for premium and league fees WILL make you want to get better faster rather than jerking off your fellow forever steel friends to keep up appearances.

Starting in UGC just gives the illusion that you're not good enough and its your place to play in that div. You turn sour and bitter and realized you could've reached a higher potential. Don't be another sdogg2m.

That is pretty well put actually. I don't want to get into open yet though because of school and all or I would've by now.

I wanted to argue this morally, but functionally you're pretty much 100% correct and I can't argue that

thing is, I feel like UGC is going to be the first thing new players will look at for NA TF2, post-matchmaking, which is a bit worrying considering its purgatory 6s status

I try to stay optimistic about getting shit on. Say in CS:GO the other team has a smurf. I try my best against the player that is ultimately better than me. I find that playing better and more challenging opposition makes me better faster than playing people my own skill level. Same thing in TF2, I learn more by getting shit on in Pug.me than playing low open inhouse pugs. It sucks but it's worth it.

Yeah sandbaggers suck but make the most out of it when you can =)

Sniper to mid isn't helping anyone. I like the optimism though.