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eeesanders is a weird candidate because i feel like in a general he'd end up with more voters than hillary but he lacks enough mainstream support to get there
the people who'd vote for hillary are such diehard dems that they'll vote the party no matter what, but hillary is such a polarizing figure that i feel like she'd drive away a shitload of people, especially younger voters. Sanders would get pretty much all the party voters if he was the nominee, but the question comes down to if the number of grassroots voters he brings in outweighs the number of moderates he drives away. Clearly the DNC thinks hillary is the sure bet here, but ive never met anyone who support hillary more than they just don't see sanders winning
dumb election dumb parties
they'll be dead by 2024
i agree, bernie is kind of a trendy vote with 18-25 year old voters bc of his minum wage policy and general coolness, but idk if it is enough.
the people who'd vote for hillary are such diehard dems that they'll vote the party no matter what, but hillary is such a polarizing figure that i feel like she'd drive away a shitload of people, especially younger voters. Sanders would get pretty much all the party voters if he was the nominee, but the question comes down to if the number of grassroots voters he brings in outweighs the number of moderates he drives away. Clearly the DNC thinks hillary is the sure bet here, but ive never met anyone who support hillary more than they just don't see sanders winning
dumb election dumb parties
they'll be dead by 2024[/quote]
i agree, bernie is kind of a trendy vote with 18-25 year old voters bc of his minum wage policy and general coolness, but idk if it is enough.
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png
sheepy isnt arguing free speech (yet) but it still applies here
sheepy isnt arguing free speech (yet) but it still applies here
All religions are bullshit. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Discriminating against someone who chooses to believe in a particular fairy tale is also bullshit, though.
you would have to be stupid to NOT make assumptions about people based on their religion. It becomes unacceptable when you refuse to let those people prove that they don't fit your assumptions.
sometimes i wonder if it isnt all just a huge practical joke gone horribly wrong
sheepy_dogs_handCan someone just properly explain what I said makes me such an asshole instead of just calling me an asshole. I think Islam is a silly religion and the world would be better without it. Why does thinking that make me an asshole no one will even explain.
Stark I don't think people should get banned for having an opinion.
All religions are silly and we would be better without them. However pointing out one group of religious nuts as being nuttier than any other brand of nuts because the happen to be a bit more toasted is racist.
Muslim radicalization is largely the fault of the west. If the rolls were reversed it would be the same shit with American christians.
Stark I don't think people should get banned for having an opinion.[/quote]
All religions are silly and we would be better without them. However pointing out one group of religious nuts as being nuttier than any other brand of nuts because the happen to be a bit more toasted is racist.
Muslim radicalization is largely the fault of the west. If the rolls were reversed it would be the same shit with American christians.
You can laugh with Trump, but euros can't understand the power of appeal that lays in the underlying Libertarian Ron Paul and how he got shafted by his own party, who was pushing Mitt Romney, and then 13 career politicians who are only there to make themselves re-elected, the only thing a politician tends to care about. And when you have 15 candidates, all bound to SUPERPACS and lobby interests, (and i find euros so fucking arrogant when pointing out the farçe of US politics like gerrymandering and securing support from lobby interests, but the fact is, that the EU is as much run by the same lobby groups).With time political dynasties form, and tbh as a common guy, it's really hard to actually campaign or get yourself elected, even if you join a party. You need money, and lots of it. Trump has this, which gives him this independance so he skips a lot of hurdles and can stay in the media, unlike Ron Paul. I mean, I had no idea who this Trump was beside some media article, so I spend some time searching up. and he did warn against the invasion of Iraq, when the post 9/11 sentiment was still lingering, and is basically one of the main reason this mess called ISIS exists, that takes courage.and what do you have for other candidates in the repub party? Jeb Bush? Carson? that fat guy that mentions 9/11 each time in the only 20 sec segment he gets in a debate? the repub party has this crazy idea for picking the most ineffective duos, like when McCain got Palin as VP. Maybe Rand Paul would get the same appeal his father had, but he has the charisma of a damp rag. and on the democratic side with the inevitability for Hillary clinton, (sorry sander fanders you never stood a chance, especially not when your man lacks leadership and his campaign is literally reddit , he never believed in it either) And then we have Hillary Clinton, who is totally corrupt, and there are loads of scandals haunting her. Face it, Trump would not have the appeal or support he has at the moment, if there was a single competent candidate on either side, becuase the both parties have been struggling for decades now with how they deal with their dynasties
Clinton only won in 94' and stopped bush from being re-elected cuz a third party candidate,..forgot his name, (Peron?) but else since reagan it has been bush/clinton/clinton/bush/bush/obama (and here is the candidate who's slogan was change but he broke all his campaign promises which gave him the support for the primaries in 2007 vs clinton)/obama/ and the elections would else been Bush vs clinton again?
you know that doesn't American at all to me, sounds somthing Yuropoors would be content with, being ruled by the same inbred families for centuries, up until you get brutal wars, becuase your inbred Spanish Habsburger, writes a mentally deranged will under influence of his cardinal to just give the succession to the Bourbons. Or World War I where a bunch of cousins show off their parade armies, and Europe loses a generation. Meanwhile, the Americans had a decade since Teddy Roosevelt passed along, and made America a force that was to be reckoned with the enforcement of the Monroe doctrine. The American dream was real and he embodied it.
Thats what America was about right, and why the middle class was seen as very content, becuase geniune patriotism, a country of businessmen ( I believe the number of self employed poeple in the USA was significantly higher at the turn of the 20th century, in contrast to now), unbound by some military industrial complex. the tide turns when Ford loses his case vs his shareholders on the responsibilities of a company, and the government has been used to destroy lesser competition, or create artificial monopolies, a series of things together with the relative wealth of the middle class going down, a lack of infrastructure, well you know it. The American dream seemed pretty much a lie, and after the collapse of the USSR, they turned the presidency of boris Yeltsin in such shambles, because Yeltsin was so naive to think, that america would rather see a succesfull capitalist russia in transition, rather than just lining their own pockets, well, Poeting wouldn't get away with being a corrupt maffiosso, dismantling the better parts that come with that freedom of liberal democracy, like free speech, when he just has to point out what happened in the 90s.
When you get such general incompetence for a while, well, some persons will offer an alternative, a way to get out of the impasse and it's becuase both parties betrayed their voterbase over and over, that Trump is appealling. He is populistic, he knows how the system works, and can just recall all the candidates who he supported in the past with funds, and he know who his public is, not some vested group like how the republicans were all about "getting the latino vote" before trump showed up, well that simmered down a bit, eh (i wonder if you can still order a 75 dollar guacabowl made in china from the jebbush2016.com site, you can try jebbush.com and see where it lands you.
I'm very interested in politics, and i've been following it for three elections, and never have I seen a person be so charismatic and convincing, while saying the most controversial things, and how he uses his struggle with the mainstream media in his speeches. I've probably watched 6 or 7 full speeches of him by now, noticing how he is making his show that appeals to the widest audience, and anything he can use of his independant stance he will point out.
FAN THE CAMERAS (cameras don't move, they only move when there is one heckler yelling something, basically giving Trump what he wants, becuase now he plays into it and the crowd actually goes wild, such a big contrast to bernie being heckled)
Its so surreal, i'm not supposed to like this rich real estate moghul, who had some tv show or something, dumb american am i right ))))), And he say things very bluntly, and he's right on a lot of things. Hell I'd vote for him if i couldnt vote for Transhumanist "Volcanoboard my way to clinical immortality" Zoltan, and I really wouldn't discredit his intelligence, but his stance on net neutrality really concerns me, and I wish he would instead of Islam, just call out the Wahabbis, a small nuance, but gives his opponnonts way less ammo. Becuase now the undertone in the media is like: "omg so racist!!!!!!!" "which is bogus because Islam is a religion, and if you think it's not, try putting a Persian, an Assyrian, a Kurd , and a couple of those mythical swamp arabs together and you would notice they hate each others guts. (casual reminder Saudi arabia with 3 million spaces for lodging has taken in 0 Syrian refugees thus far) and will try to point out how different they are, too bad the Ammonites,the jews who lived in the middle east, before the formation of Israel, and diverse other religious minorities had to resettle, or lose their lives and their belongings, becuase well, guess having a different religion puts you at different sides in the region.
Is he genuine one eye in the land of the blind, or a Manchurian candidate who will betray his voters and wasn't so independent after all?
time will tell, in 2007 Everyone rode the Obama popularity wave, and I remember this one voice of an historian on an obscure board for civ games, being the party spoiler, and say bluntly he will betray his grassroot voterbase on anything (Gitmo is still open, the NSA and homeland security still are active, and it only gets more Orwellian with time. US citizens that get assassinated by drones in Yemen, becuase his father "radicalised" when taking it up vs the Saudi's. fast and the furious, shipments to ISIS in libya, and indirectly one of the main reasons, why one of the more exotic ME countries. (I have read this weird thing, how two seperate journeys, encounter the "very poor, very friendly,gay Syrian" probably not alive anymore) is synonym now with desolated wartorn mess.
Clinton only won in 94' and stopped bush from being re-elected cuz a third party candidate,..forgot his name, (Peron?) but else since reagan it has been bush/clinton/clinton/bush/bush/obama (and here is the candidate who's slogan was change but he broke all his campaign promises which gave him the support for the primaries in 2007 vs clinton)/obama/ and the elections would else been Bush vs clinton again?
you know that doesn't American at all to me, sounds somthing Yuropoors would be content with, being ruled by the same inbred families for centuries, up until you get brutal wars, becuase your inbred Spanish Habsburger, writes a mentally deranged will under influence of his cardinal to just give the succession to the Bourbons. Or World War I where a bunch of cousins show off their parade armies, and Europe loses a generation. Meanwhile, the Americans had a decade since Teddy Roosevelt passed along, and made America a force that was to be reckoned with the enforcement of the Monroe doctrine. The American dream was real and he embodied it.
Thats what America was about right, and why the middle class was seen as very content, becuase geniune patriotism, a country of businessmen ( I believe the number of self employed poeple in the USA was significantly higher at the turn of the 20th century, in contrast to now), unbound by some military industrial complex. the tide turns when Ford loses his case vs his shareholders on the responsibilities of a company, and the government has been used to destroy lesser competition, or create artificial monopolies, a series of things together with the relative wealth of the middle class going down, a lack of infrastructure, well you know it. The American dream seemed pretty much a lie, and after the collapse of the USSR, they turned the presidency of boris Yeltsin in such shambles, because Yeltsin was so naive to think, that america would rather see a succesfull capitalist russia in transition, rather than just lining their own pockets, well, Poeting wouldn't get away with being a corrupt maffiosso, dismantling the better parts that come with that freedom of liberal democracy, like free speech, when he just has to point out what happened in the 90s.
When you get such general incompetence for a while, well, some persons will offer an alternative, a way to get out of the impasse and it's becuase both parties betrayed their voterbase over and over, that Trump is appealling. He is populistic, he knows how the system works, and can just recall all the candidates who he supported in the past with funds, and he know who his public is, not some vested group like how the republicans were all about "getting the latino vote" before trump showed up, well that simmered down a bit, eh (i wonder if you can still order a 75 dollar guacabowl made in china from the jebbush2016.com site, you can try jebbush.com and see where it lands you.
I'm very interested in politics, and i've been following it for three elections, and never have I seen a person be so charismatic and convincing, while saying the most controversial things, and how he uses his struggle with the mainstream media in his speeches. I've probably watched 6 or 7 full speeches of him by now, noticing how he is making his show that appeals to the widest audience, and anything he can use of his independant stance he will point out.
FAN THE CAMERAS (cameras don't move, they only move when there is one heckler yelling something, basically giving Trump what he wants, becuase now he plays into it and the crowd actually goes wild, such a big contrast to bernie being heckled)
Its so surreal, i'm not supposed to like this rich real estate moghul, who had some tv show or something, dumb american am i right ))))), And he say things very bluntly, and he's right on a lot of things. Hell I'd vote for him if i couldnt vote for Transhumanist "Volcanoboard my way to clinical immortality" Zoltan, and I really wouldn't discredit his intelligence, but his stance on net neutrality really concerns me, and I wish he would instead of Islam, just call out the Wahabbis, a small nuance, but gives his opponnonts way less ammo. Becuase now the undertone in the media is like: "omg so racist!!!!!!!" "which is bogus because Islam is a religion, and if you think it's not, try putting a Persian, an Assyrian, a Kurd , and a couple of those mythical swamp arabs together and you would notice they hate each others guts. (casual reminder Saudi arabia with 3 million spaces for lodging has taken in 0 Syrian refugees thus far) and will try to point out how different they are, too bad the Ammonites,the jews who lived in the middle east, before the formation of Israel, and diverse other religious minorities had to resettle, or lose their lives and their belongings, becuase well, guess having a different religion puts you at different sides in the region.
Is he genuine one eye in the land of the blind, or a Manchurian candidate who will betray his voters and wasn't so independent after all?
time will tell, in 2007 Everyone rode the Obama popularity wave, and I remember this one voice of an historian on an obscure board for civ games, being the party spoiler, and say bluntly he will betray his grassroot voterbase on anything (Gitmo is still open, the NSA and homeland security still are active, and it only gets more Orwellian with time. US citizens that get assassinated by drones in Yemen, becuase his father "radicalised" when taking it up vs the Saudi's. fast and the furious, shipments to ISIS in libya, and indirectly one of the main reasons, why one of the more exotic ME countries. (I have read this weird thing, how two seperate journeys, encounter the "very poor, very friendly,gay Syrian" probably not alive anymore) is synonym now with desolated wartorn mess.
trump is a tool and a joke gone too far but when people keep voting for him even through his spewing intolerance and hatred ultimately it reflects the state of the average american republican voter
my point being ready up those passports moving to canada isnt too far fetched an idea anymore
my point being ready up those passports moving to canada isnt too far fetched an idea anymore
meyyyes he is a real thing and yes our politically right are taking him 100% seriously. I live in the south and somewhere around 70% of all people I talk to when it comes to politics and stuff like that support him massively. absolutely grotesque lol
can confirm, i live in south carolina and near everyone supports him, its just that people here in the southeast often dont share their opinions on the internet so we dont hear about them
can confirm, i live in south carolina and near everyone supports him, its just that people here in the southeast often dont share their opinions on the internet so we dont hear about them
I didn't read the whole artical but I think he has been disqualified
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/donald-trump-josh-earnest-disqualified-president-muslims/index.html
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/donald-trump-josh-earnest-disqualified-president-muslims/index.html]http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/donald-trump-josh-earnest-disqualified-president-muslims/index.html[/url]
Not quite sure if Trump or Abbott is worse.
Not sure how much the rest of the world mocks Abbott.....
It should be illegal to vote for Trump.
It should be illegal for people like Abbott to get into politics.
Trump is hitler.
Abbott is fucking retarded.
Who do you guys think would fuck up the world more if they were president America? (US is kind of more influential than Australia)
Not sure how much the rest of the world mocks Abbott.....
It should be illegal to vote for Trump.
It should be illegal for people like Abbott to get into politics.
Trump is hitler.
Abbott is fucking retarded.
Who do you guys think would fuck up the world more if they were president America? (US is kind of more influential than Australia)
Who do you guys think would fuck up the world more if they were president
ben carson
ben carson
flatlinei'm pretty sure even if he magically gets enough votes to "secure" the nomination the republican party will probably choose rubio or cruz as their nomination because they (rightfully) think he's a batshit-crazy moron
The party isn't gonna choose Cruz, because most of them hate him as well. It's probably going to be Rubio. He's rational compared to Trump or Carson, but I still vehemently disagree with most of his policies and opinions. I miss Jon Huntsman.
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The party isn't gonna choose Cruz, because most of them hate him as well. It's probably going to be Rubio. He's rational compared to Trump or Carson, but I still vehemently disagree with most of his policies and opinions. I miss Jon Huntsman.
sheepy_dogs_handJust cause you have loads of money doesn't mean you can just do what you want.
kinda does
kinda does
sheepy_dogs_handAll I said was I don't like a religion. I never said I prejudge people because they are Muslim. I am not hating on the people who follow it I just dislike the actual religion, there is a big difference. I just don't think its a good religion.
You are really in no position to call me an asshole for having my own opinion. I don't hate anyone and I try to be as nice as possible to people in my posts. You're totally right Stark I should be banned for this and I am the hateful one for sure. Not the people who call my an asshole then insult me in their posts.
You got all up in arms and offended when someone said they thought Sigur Ros made shitty music videos. And you're wondering why people think you're an asshole for calling their core beliefs and values bullshit?
I mean I don't disagree that religion is wonky, but you don't know that there is or isn't a god. Nobody does. Let people believe what they want.
All I said was I don't like a religion. I never said I prejudge people because they are Muslim. I am not hating on the people who follow it I just dislike the actual religion, there is a big difference. I just don't think its a good religion.
You are really in no position to call me an asshole for having my own opinion. I don't hate anyone and I try to be as nice as possible to people in my posts. You're totally right Stark I should be banned for this and I am the hateful one for sure. Not the people who call my an asshole then insult me in their posts.[/quote]
You got all up in arms and offended when someone said they thought Sigur Ros made shitty music videos. And you're wondering why people think you're an asshole for calling their core beliefs and values bullshit?
I mean I don't disagree that religion is wonky, but you don't know that there is or isn't a god. Nobody does. Let people believe what they want.
tetrominosometimes i wonder if it isnt all just a huge practical joke gone horribly wrong
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I don't support Trump or anyone at this point but one thing I will say is that it is refreshing as shit to hear a political figure say things and not worry about being politically correct all the fucking time.
Trumps appeal comes in the fact that he is not completely tied to political favors and outside money to influence his opinions and views. He isn't forced to say something a PC way to keep a big financial supporter happy. He just says whatever the hell is on his mind. I can respect that but if he gets elected, he needs to followup on his promises unlike what Obama has done the past 8 years.
Trumps appeal comes in the fact that he is not completely tied to political favors and outside money to influence his opinions and views. He isn't forced to say something a PC way to keep a big financial supporter happy. He just says whatever the hell is on his mind. I can respect that but if he gets elected, he needs to followup on his promises unlike what Obama has done the past 8 years.
fractalben carson
Is also a fucking retarded right-wing nut job.
Is also a fucking retarded right-wing nut job.
there's being politically incorrect and then there's being a tactless boorish moron
SpaceCadetI don't support Trump or anyone at this point but one thing I will say is that it is refreshing as shit to hear a political figure say things and not worry about being politically correct all the fucking time.
Trumps appeal comes in the fact that he is not completely tied to political favors and outside money to influence his opinions and views. He isn't forced to say something a PC way to keep a big financial supporter happy. He just says whatever the hell is on his mind. I can respect that but if he gets elected, he needs to followup on his promises unlike what Obama has done the past 8 years.
You know who else isn't tied to outside money and financial backers? You know who else just tells the truth? Bernie Fucking Sanders. And Bernie isn't a misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, fear-mongering piece of shit.
For me at this point, it's Bernie or bust. He's literally the only candidate who actually gives a fuck about real people.
Trumps appeal comes in the fact that he is not completely tied to political favors and outside money to influence his opinions and views. He isn't forced to say something a PC way to keep a big financial supporter happy. He just says whatever the hell is on his mind. I can respect that but if he gets elected, he needs to followup on his promises unlike what Obama has done the past 8 years.[/quote]
You know who else isn't tied to outside money and financial backers? You know who else just tells the truth? Bernie Fucking Sanders. And Bernie isn't a misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, fear-mongering piece of shit.
For me at this point, it's Bernie or bust. He's literally the only candidate who actually gives a fuck about real people.
SpaceCadethe needs to followup on his promises
no
If your defining promise is to keep entire peoples out of the country, you shouldn't followup on it
no
If your defining promise is to keep entire peoples out of the country, you shouldn't followup on it
like ya its kind of fun to watch someone say what they believe but that doesnt make him not insane
its not that every other candidate is so "politically correct" its just that theyre probably not racist idiots
its not that every other candidate is so "politically correct" its just that theyre probably not racist idiots
When your options are a bunch of cucks and somebody who only cucks for Israel its not hard to see why is he leading
He also makes lefties incredibly mad and that's good enough for a lot of people
He also makes lefties incredibly mad and that's good enough for a lot of people
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-republicans-and-polls-enable-donald-trump/
Interesting article by Nate Silver posted today on why Trump is so high in the poles even though everybody knows he'll never get elected/nominated.
Interesting article by Nate Silver posted today on why Trump is so high in the poles even though everybody knows he'll never get elected/nominated.