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The Tough Break Update
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Baznifr3fouGasolhttp://i.imgur.com/ngsvuC5.pngtry the new -default launch option and see if u have better fps (backup your configs beforehand (just in case))
ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???
This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.
Well I just tried using the -default in the launch options and it didn't seem to change anything, all it did was to reset the game settings back to default, and simple console commands like "volume" and "net_graph 1" weren't working so I couldn't really check the fps, but I am 100% sure it was still the same, maybe the people who are having the problem should give it a try and see if it work for them, but it didn't work for me.. Anyways I think we should chill the f*** down and wait for a patch, it's only been 10 hours since the release of the update.
Try -autoconfig
[quote=Bazni][quote=fr3fou][quote=Gasol]http://i.imgur.com/ngsvuC5.png
ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???
This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.[/quote]
try the new -default launch option and see if u have better fps (backup your configs beforehand (just in case))[/quote]
Well I just tried using the -default in the launch options and it didn't seem to change anything, all it did was to reset the game settings back to default, and simple console commands like "volume" and "net_graph 1" weren't working so I couldn't really check the fps, but I am 100% sure it was still the same, maybe the people who are having the problem should give it a try and see if it work for them, but it didn't work for me.. Anyways I think we should chill the f*** down and wait for a patch, it's only been 10 hours since the release of the update.[/quote]
Try -autoconfig
ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???
This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.[/quote]
try the new -default launch option and see if u have better fps (backup your configs beforehand (just in case))[/quote]
Well I just tried using the -default in the launch options and it didn't seem to change anything, all it did was to reset the game settings back to default, and simple console commands like "volume" and "net_graph 1" weren't working so I couldn't really check the fps, but I am 100% sure it was still the same, maybe the people who are having the problem should give it a try and see if it work for them, but it didn't work for me.. Anyways I think we should chill the f*** down and wait for a patch, it's only been 10 hours since the release of the update.[/quote]
Try -autoconfig
Croceif you are in steam client beta opt out
I believe this is what worked for me, I'm back to my old fps. Thanks!
[quote=Croce]if you are in steam client beta opt out[/quote]
I believe this is what worked for me, I'm back to my old fps. Thanks!
I believe this is what worked for me, I'm back to my old fps. Thanks!
TheFragileNot sure if this was discussed already about the crossbow:
"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"
The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?
I also thought of this, and before seeing your post we actually tested this a little.
We tried this in a private server on process. Med stood near the left spawn while a demo or soldier damaged themselves in the corner near the opposite spawn shutter. With this distance an arrow can do up to about 130 healing per arrow, which would be about 7-8% max ubercharge per heal arrow. The medic can just hold m1 down and continuously arrow the patient. In our unscientific tests, it seemed to be pretty do-able to build an uber this way in about 25 seconds. The key aiming at the right height so the arrow hits even if they bounce a bit, and getting someone that can consistently damage themselves without flying all over the spawn room.
The medic meta is definitely changing!
[quote=TheFragile]Not sure if this was discussed already about the crossbow:
"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"
The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?[/quote]
I also thought of this, and before seeing your post we actually tested this a little.
We tried this in a private server on process. Med stood near the left spawn while a demo or soldier damaged themselves in the corner near the opposite spawn shutter. With this distance an arrow can do up to about 130 healing per arrow, which would be about 7-8% max ubercharge per heal arrow. The medic can just hold m1 down and continuously arrow the patient. In our unscientific tests, it seemed to be pretty do-able to build an uber this way in about 25 seconds. The key aiming at the right height so the arrow hits even if they bounce a bit, and getting someone that can consistently damage themselves without flying all over the spawn room.
The medic meta is definitely changing!
"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"
The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?[/quote]
I also thought of this, and before seeing your post we actually tested this a little.
We tried this in a private server on process. Med stood near the left spawn while a demo or soldier damaged themselves in the corner near the opposite spawn shutter. With this distance an arrow can do up to about 130 healing per arrow, which would be about 7-8% max ubercharge per heal arrow. The medic can just hold m1 down and continuously arrow the patient. In our unscientific tests, it seemed to be pretty do-able to build an uber this way in about 25 seconds. The key aiming at the right height so the arrow hits even if they bounce a bit, and getting someone that can consistently damage themselves without flying all over the spawn room.
The medic meta is definitely changing!
people in pubs complaining about how op medic is
don't listen, valve. don't change him one bit.
people in pubs complaining about how op medic is
don't listen, valve. don't change him one bit.
don't listen, valve. don't change him one bit.
Why am I losing FPS whenever they optimize the game? Am I doing something wrong?
Why am I losing FPS whenever they optimize the game? Am I doing something wrong?
shorasWhy am I losing FPS whenever they optimize the game? Am I doing something wrong?
read some posts back a few pages
[quote=shoras]Why am I losing FPS whenever they optimize the game? Am I doing something wrong?[/quote]
read some posts back a few pages
read some posts back a few pages
That new default scoreboard is nice. Hopefully indicates more default hud updates coming soon.
That new default scoreboard is nice. Hopefully indicates more default hud updates coming soon.
No more "tf2 is dead" threads huh? What are you gonna say now haters?
No more "tf2 is dead" threads huh? What are you gonna say now haters?
_vittoNo more "tf2 is dead" threads huh? What are you gonna say now haters?
Stop.
[quote=_vitto]No more "tf2 is dead" threads huh? What are you gonna say now haters?[/quote]
Stop.
Stop.
joejoe347Anyone have a fix for outdated huds not being able to use contracts? This stopped working: https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/496879865898461725/
I'd like to know as well
[quote=joejoe347]Anyone have a fix for outdated huds not being able to use contracts? This stopped working: https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/496879865898461725/[/quote]
I'd like to know as well
I'd like to know as well
please everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help
please everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help
if a phlog pyro taunts outside your spawn you just literally can go outside for like 10 seconds thats so stupid
if a phlog pyro taunts outside your spawn you just literally can go outside for like 10 seconds thats so stupid
the phlog change is basically irrelevant. Soldier, demo, sniper, and heavy can still pretty easily shut it down
the change is dumb because it made spy less useful against people who taunt in retard spots, but its not like the weapon suddenly became better than it was. As long as the map has multiple exits, you can just flank the dude and two shot him
the phlog change is basically irrelevant. Soldier, demo, sniper, and heavy can still pretty easily shut it down
the change is dumb because it made spy less useful against people who taunt in retard spots, but its not like the weapon suddenly became better than it was. As long as the map has multiple exits, you can just flank the dude and two shot him
the change is dumb because it made spy less useful against people who taunt in retard spots, but its not like the weapon suddenly became better than it was. As long as the map has multiple exits, you can just flank the dude and two shot him
Any word on how to make huds work with the contracts?
Any word on how to make huds work with the contracts?
well u used to get punished for taunting outside spawn because it is an area with lots of players flowing through, so he would have been shut down for taunting in a retard spot, but now he is literally invulnerable it is impossible to do anything about it if he camps your spawn. it would be nice if there were 2 spawn exits but a lot of payload maps have only 1 door etc
well u used to get punished for taunting outside spawn because it is an area with lots of players flowing through, so he would have been shut down for taunting in a retard spot, but now he is literally invulnerable it is impossible to do anything about it if he camps your spawn. it would be nice if there were 2 spawn exits but a lot of payload maps have only 1 door etc
popcorp-Scoreboard changes are great as well, would switch to default HUD now if they changed health and ammo positions. Really nice feature comparing your stats with your teammates and enemies during 6s/hl game, because until now you couldn't say say who is carrying enemy team, now you can just look at your enemy players stats and analyze mid-game, who is causing the most problem, who is dealing all the frags and doing the damage, and most importantly now you can know who on your team needs to be blamed for not doing anything :)
But overall, I like the design of a scoreboard, it's starting to look much more modern, still needs polishing in some areas, and new class icons look quite outdated to be honest.
maybe i missed something but how do you know who is carrying? Did some kind of more basic logs got implemented on the scoreboard?
[quote=popcorp]-Scoreboard changes are great as well, would switch to default HUD now if they changed health and ammo positions. Really nice feature comparing your stats with your teammates and enemies during 6s/hl game, because until now you couldn't say say who is carrying enemy team, now you can just look at your enemy players stats and analyze mid-game, who is causing the most problem, who is dealing all the frags and doing the damage, and most importantly now you can know who on your team needs to be blamed for not doing anything :)
But overall, I like the design of a scoreboard, it's starting to look much more modern, still needs polishing in some areas, and new class icons look quite outdated to be honest.[/quote] maybe i missed something but how do you know who is carrying? Did some kind of more basic logs got implemented on the scoreboard?
But overall, I like the design of a scoreboard, it's starting to look much more modern, still needs polishing in some areas, and new class icons look quite outdated to be honest.[/quote] maybe i missed something but how do you know who is carrying? Did some kind of more basic logs got implemented on the scoreboard?
As an estimate,
5 seconds to do 150 self damage w/ half zatoichi
5 seconds to do around 200+ w/ basher
2 seconds to do 150 with pocket rocket.
I don't think zatoichi is viable for building.
As an estimate,
5 seconds to do 150 self damage w/ half zatoichi
5 seconds to do around 200+ w/ basher
2 seconds to do 150 with pocket rocket.
I don't think zatoichi is viable for building.
5 seconds to do 150 self damage w/ half zatoichi
5 seconds to do around 200+ w/ basher
2 seconds to do 150 with pocket rocket.
I don't think zatoichi is viable for building.
Diogo_Rajadaspopcorp-Scoreboard changes are great as well, would switch to default HUD now if they changed health and ammo positions. Really nice feature comparing your stats with your teammates and enemies during 6s/hl game, because until now you couldn't say say who is carrying enemy team, now you can just look at your enemy players stats and analyze mid-game, who is causing the most problem, who is dealing all the frags and doing the damage, and most importantly now you can know who on your team needs to be blamed for not doing anything :)maybe i missed something but how do you know who is carrying? Did some kind of more basic logs got implemented on the scoreboard?
But overall, I like the design of a scoreboard, it's starting to look much more modern, still needs polishing in some areas, and new class icons look quite outdated to be honest.
If you enable alt click in adv options you can click peoples names on the scoreboard and see their detailed scores (K/D/A, etc)
[quote=Diogo_Rajadas][quote=popcorp]-Scoreboard changes are great as well, would switch to default HUD now if they changed health and ammo positions. Really nice feature comparing your stats with your teammates and enemies during 6s/hl game, because until now you couldn't say say who is carrying enemy team, now you can just look at your enemy players stats and analyze mid-game, who is causing the most problem, who is dealing all the frags and doing the damage, and most importantly now you can know who on your team needs to be blamed for not doing anything :)
But overall, I like the design of a scoreboard, it's starting to look much more modern, still needs polishing in some areas, and new class icons look quite outdated to be honest.[/quote] maybe i missed something but how do you know who is carrying? Did some kind of more basic logs got implemented on the scoreboard?[/quote]
If you enable alt click in adv options you can click peoples names on the scoreboard and see their detailed scores (K/D/A, etc)
But overall, I like the design of a scoreboard, it's starting to look much more modern, still needs polishing in some areas, and new class icons look quite outdated to be honest.[/quote] maybe i missed something but how do you know who is carrying? Did some kind of more basic logs got implemented on the scoreboard?[/quote]
If you enable alt click in adv options you can click peoples names on the scoreboard and see their detailed scores (K/D/A, etc)
eeeplease everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)
[quote=eee]please everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help[/quote]
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xaeac/people_arent_happy_about_the_degreaser_nerf/][img]https://i.imgur.com/oHoUtzb.png[/img][/url]
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help[/quote]
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xaeac/people_arent_happy_about_the_degreaser_nerf/][img]https://i.imgur.com/oHoUtzb.png[/img][/url]
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)
trasheeeplease everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)
valve has been listening to /r/tf2 and reddit in general, and after the R8 shit I think their image needs to be of a company that listens
/r/tf2 currently hates this update, and they're going to try to get it reverted
plsssss
[quote=trash][quote=eee]please everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help[/quote]
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xaeac/people_arent_happy_about_the_degreaser_nerf/][img]https://i.imgur.com/oHoUtzb.png[/img][/url]
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)[/quote]
valve has been listening to /r/tf2 and reddit in general, and after the R8 shit I think their image needs to be of a company that listens
/r/tf2 currently hates this update, and they're going to try to get it reverted
plsssss
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help[/quote]
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xaeac/people_arent_happy_about_the_degreaser_nerf/][img]https://i.imgur.com/oHoUtzb.png[/img][/url]
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)[/quote]
valve has been listening to /r/tf2 and reddit in general, and after the R8 shit I think their image needs to be of a company that listens
/r/tf2 currently hates this update, and they're going to try to get it reverted
plsssss
eeetrashvalve has been listening to /r/tf2 and reddit in general, and after the R8 shit I think their image needs to be of a company that listenseeeplease everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)
/r/tf2 currently hates this update, and they're going to try to get it reverted
plsssss
The uproar from the R8 update was fucking huge. Not only because of the R8 but also the rifle nerf. A couple of pubber weabs complaining on reddit with 100 upvotes aren't going to have the same effect.
[quote=eee][quote=trash][quote=eee]please everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help[/quote]
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xaeac/people_arent_happy_about_the_degreaser_nerf/][img]https://i.imgur.com/oHoUtzb.png[/img][/url]
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)[/quote]
valve has been listening to /r/tf2 and reddit in general, and after the R8 shit I think their image needs to be of a company that listens
/r/tf2 currently hates this update, and they're going to try to get it reverted
plsssss[/quote]
The uproar from the R8 update was fucking huge. Not only because of the R8 but also the rifle nerf. A couple of pubber weabs complaining on reddit with 100 upvotes aren't going to have the same effect.
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help[/quote]
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xaeac/people_arent_happy_about_the_degreaser_nerf/][img]https://i.imgur.com/oHoUtzb.png[/img][/url]
this is how I know valve is doing good things
(please read the comments for this, r/tf2 genuinely believes b4nny got valve to nerf pyro in a single video god bless their souls)[/quote]
valve has been listening to /r/tf2 and reddit in general, and after the R8 shit I think their image needs to be of a company that listens
/r/tf2 currently hates this update, and they're going to try to get it reverted
plsssss[/quote]
The uproar from the R8 update was fucking huge. Not only because of the R8 but also the rifle nerf. A couple of pubber weabs complaining on reddit with 100 upvotes aren't going to have the same effect.
valve just made a huge fucking nerd essay on how they need to improve public relations and all of /r/tf2 is currently shitting on the engi and pyro changes
if u enjoy calling publords shit u should have a hardon for how many downvotes u can get rn + u can help save comp tf2`~~!!!@#!
valve just made a huge fucking nerd essay on how they need to improve public relations and all of /r/tf2 is currently shitting on the engi and pyro changes
if u enjoy calling publords shit u should have a hardon for how many downvotes u can get rn + u can help save comp tf2`~~!!!@#!
if u enjoy calling publords shit u should have a hardon for how many downvotes u can get rn + u can help save comp tf2`~~!!!@#!
this wont get reverted. the dead ringer wasnt reverted even though all of the posts on r tf2 after gun mettle were spy mains crying about it. they just get really upset cos they now have to actually learn to play the game more than the one gimmick they knew about
this wont get reverted. the dead ringer wasnt reverted even though all of the posts on r tf2 after gun mettle were spy mains crying about it. they just get really upset cos they now have to actually learn to play the game more than the one gimmick they knew about
if b4nny is as powerful as they're making him out to be, we'll get a video from him calming everyone the fuck down and explaining what every change means long-term
tho as a general rule, there needs to be more top players explaining this stuff to ppl. it seems obvious to TFTV, but the average pubber lives in a strange world where spy is the scariest class of all time, while scout is a tad bit underpowered, and there's only a minuscule amount of ppl who actually interact with folks like /r/tf2 well
e: yr freaking out a bit over this, tho. honestly, if valve makes sweeping reverts on the basis of a few loud low-levels, there's a lot bigger issues at hand than /r/tf2 being a bit whiney
if b4nny is as powerful as they're making him out to be, we'll get a video from him calming everyone the fuck down and explaining what every change means long-term
tho as a general rule, there needs to be more top players explaining this stuff to ppl. it seems obvious to TFTV, but the average pubber lives in a strange world where spy is the scariest class of all time, while scout is a tad bit underpowered, and there's only a minuscule amount of ppl who actually interact with folks like /r/tf2 well
e: yr freaking out a bit over this, tho. honestly, if valve makes sweeping reverts on the basis of a few loud low-levels, there's a lot bigger issues at hand than /r/tf2 being a bit whiney
tho as a general rule, there needs to be more top players explaining this stuff to ppl. it seems obvious to TFTV, but the average pubber lives in a strange world where spy is the scariest class of all time, while scout is a tad bit underpowered, and there's only a minuscule amount of ppl who actually interact with folks like /r/tf2 well
e: yr freaking out a bit over this, tho. honestly, if valve makes sweeping reverts on the basis of a few loud low-levels, there's a lot bigger issues at hand than /r/tf2 being a bit whiney
Time to break the circlejerk!
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.
Time to break the circlejerk!
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.
HoplitejoeTime to break the circlejerk!
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.
"we should be allowed to have shit design, because the rest of our design is also shit" doesn't somehow magically transfer to good design, that just means your entire class needs a rework
[quote=Hoplitejoe]Time to break the circlejerk!
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.[/quote]
"we should be allowed to have shit design, because the rest of our design is also shit" doesn't somehow magically transfer to good design, that just means your entire class needs a rework
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.[/quote]
"we should be allowed to have shit design, because the rest of our design is also shit" doesn't somehow magically transfer to good design, that just means your entire class needs a rework
eeeplease everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help
The only option for combo Pyro now is Reserve Shooter, and God knows how long that will work because no doubt B4nny will cry about that too.
Basically fuck B4nny.
I blame b4nny, he always complains about pyros even though they are the worst comp class and he was the only community member that had anything to do with match making.
rip b4nny, lynched by an angry mob
[quote=eee]please everyone tell /r/tf2 nerds that this update is good
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help[/quote]
[quote]The only option for combo Pyro now is Reserve Shooter, and God knows how long that will work because no doubt B4nny will cry about that too.[/quote]
[quote]Basically fuck B4nny.[/quote]
[quote]I blame b4nny, he always complains about pyros even though they are the worst comp class and [b]he was the only community member that had anything to do with match making.[/b][/quote]
rip b4nny, lynched by an angry mob
like physically go to the site and tell them why all these changes are good for competitive
they're trying to get engi and pyro changes reverted
help[/quote]
[quote]The only option for combo Pyro now is Reserve Shooter, and God knows how long that will work because no doubt B4nny will cry about that too.[/quote]
[quote]Basically fuck B4nny.[/quote]
[quote]I blame b4nny, he always complains about pyros even though they are the worst comp class and [b]he was the only community member that had anything to do with match making.[/b][/quote]
rip b4nny, lynched by an angry mob
trashHoplitejoeTime to break the circlejerk!"we should be allowed to have shit design, because the rest of our design is also shit" doesn't somehow magically transfer to good design, that just means your entire class needs a rework
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.
weapon switch speed was the one part of pyro that was interesting and unique. it made having a strong secondary and a utility primary a viable balance choice and made the class take a different set of skills with properly selecting the right weapon at the right time or w/e
like they didn't buff pyro in any meaningful way, and they nerfed the degreaser, which ends up being a direct nerf to the class. The solution should've been to leave the degreaser alone and make the stock flamethrower fill a different niche.
[quote=trash][quote=Hoplitejoe]Time to break the circlejerk!
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.[/quote]
"we should be allowed to have shit design, because the rest of our design is also shit" doesn't somehow magically transfer to good design, that just means your entire class needs a rework[/quote]
weapon switch speed was the one part of pyro that was interesting and unique. it made having a strong secondary and a utility primary a viable balance choice and made the class take a different set of skills with properly selecting the right weapon at the right time or w/e
like they didn't buff pyro in any meaningful way, and they nerfed the degreaser, which ends up being a direct nerf to the class. The solution should've been to leave the degreaser alone and make the stock flamethrower fill a different niche.
The only problem most pyros are having with this update is the drop in switch speed, which lowers what a class that was already limited can do in a competitive setting. I don't really see what is wrong about complaining about that.[/quote]
"we should be allowed to have shit design, because the rest of our design is also shit" doesn't somehow magically transfer to good design, that just means your entire class needs a rework[/quote]
weapon switch speed was the one part of pyro that was interesting and unique. it made having a strong secondary and a utility primary a viable balance choice and made the class take a different set of skills with properly selecting the right weapon at the right time or w/e
like they didn't buff pyro in any meaningful way, and they nerfed the degreaser, which ends up being a direct nerf to the class. The solution should've been to leave the degreaser alone and make the stock flamethrower fill a different niche.
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