misleading title

Idk you're giving up pipes to equip them, and in team situations I don't think the extra health and movement make too much of a difference. And sorry if I'm missing something but what about them makes it easier to hit stickies?

edit: also many people that play demo quite heavily rely on pipes in their playstyle

i dont think it is too strong outside of midfights
it murders on a few midfights tho
i have mixed feelings because its my class i guess

I only use them on rollout because 1) more health 2) faster movement speed 3) more health per healthpack.
Also what #3 said about not having pipes

because part of being a competent demo is ammo management, this ends up being less of a big deal than you might think (not that it isn't still a drawback obviously). with the addition of the movement speed it becomes worth it. the only way to show otherwise is if the theoretical downside of no pipes was leading to a tangible affect. that would probably mean that, if one looked at logs of a demo using booties, they'd either a) have less overall damage (because 8 projectiles instead of 12) or b) more deaths (cuz pipes are good at close-range protection). since neither seem to be the case (and in fact, it seems like booties demos die less and do the same or more dmg), we can conclude that their advantages make up for the pipes.

in practice that is definitely untrue

the movement speed enables you to hit stickies more quickly, especially on fast moving targets like scouts

pipes are what get you into frag movies

thank god someone finally brought it up. it makes the roamer life so difficult and way harder to punish an aggro mid rollout from the demo and aggro play in general without overextending to chase the kill to the point where you die as well

the reason people arent complaining about donk anymore is cos it got nerfed, not because of boots lol

imo loose cannon is no longer op after the fix, booties are fine you lose your primary which is a pretty big tradeoff.

the nerf was pretty recent right? I forgot about that l0l my bad

I promise I still know what im talking about in regards to the booties!!!

Booties isn't an even tradeoff, pretty easy to argue they are overpowered. they provide more tank-ability and utility plus the potential to 1 man dominate a mid fight, not really sure you can argue those things are less valuable then pipes.

IMO the movement speed should be tweaked then it would perfectly balanced.

As it is now it makes demo way too mobile and combined with the health bonus makes the lack of primary, especially with the loose cannon nerf, not a huge drawback since you can just surf away from most close range rockets and such while having tons of HP. Makes it really easy to bomb too.

Maybe going from 10% movement to around 6-7%.

Edit:

As a side note I don't want booties to get nerfed because it is the only unlock (along with the now much weaker loose cannon) that makes playing demo less painful at times.

However it is definitely better than all the other unlocks available for demo right now, and really has a super minimal trade off.

I would go hard-line and just revert the movement speed part of it entirely, or the health

it's weird how neither is even that great by itself but they become so powerful together

i dont think a demo should be able to go almost as fast as a medic

nice 180 degree ninja edit side switch homie

thank you mustard over lord

booties was situationally viable on some maps/mids before the movement speed was added. it was a interesting, if underutilized item. the buff took them over the edge, but i doubt they will be nerfed anytime soon

looks like a ban is the only option

yes ban them

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never 4get 4rent metalworks strat

Please.

are they just an upgrade from pipes or are they enough to make demo over powered? a lot of people have been saying that demo is the weakest class, so do the booties make it so demo is on level with other classes now? is that a reason to ban them just because they are better then another weapon?

have a lot of people been saying that demo is the weakest class?

Since the sticky nerf

i mean like... lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCKV_1CdMdM

edit: oh wait i just realized this was when they accidentally reverted the demo nerf

imo its a sidegrade but what does the majority say

http://strawpoll.me/6514200

I wouldnt mind it if booties became meta tbh. The return of topdmg demo would be cool. I doubt its that good though, you miss out on a lot of good spam and long range effectiveness.
Quickiebombs on the other hand...

I don't think they are overpowered however i do think they make demo easier. Pretty stupid that you take away a skill to make demo more powerful.

to clarify:
without boots: 280 hu/s (93.4%)
with: 308hu/s (102.7%)
medic: 320hu/s (107%)

the extra speed and 25hp 40 overhealed can be nice, but to give up pipes or the cannon, is more than a fair trade off.

edit: 4.3% away from a medic's speed is pretty close, my bad