There we go then, good and friendly response Sideshow!

Then why did nuze reply to my posts acting like he did know. Was he mixed up with another playoff? (maybe he thought I was talking about the end of season playoffs, at this point I wouldn't be surprised). Was he just trying to epic trolle me? He said he knew but he would have to "break down this post and explain everything". I don't know where he is coming from and what point he is trying to make. I asked a simple question and he is pretending to know the answer yet not saying anything about what it is. I'm so confused.

You must have a mech kb because you really like typing

You post with such little coherence sometimes that it's difficult to tell what you're talking about. Your first post was hard to decode, so I think nuze assumed you were asking about how many teams potentially were in the Prem playoff runnings.

sheepy if u spent half as much time reading and thinking as u did slamming ur mittens on the keyboard ud make a lot more sense

LOL

Yes brown switches. It allows me to type really fast so it really doesn't take long to write for me.

I don't slam anything onto my keyboard, like I just said its a mechanical one so if I slammed anything onto it, it will end up breaking. Sorry if I don't make sense though (I thought I made sense). I do spent a lot of time reading. Certainly more than I spend slamming mittens onto my keyboard. I don't read fiction but I read a lot of history books (usually scottish history). Scotland isn't the best but it has great history. A lot of Game of Thrones was based on Scottish history actually.

guys he reads HISTORY!!!!

id reccommend adding sheepy on steam, he has some pretty great banter

But how would you choose the teams that would get straight into premiership? I dont think any team should get higher chance of getting in straight away. Make a 5 team playoffs if necessary

Those teams who wanted to prove themselves signed up for the Preseason Cup. Planet Express have shown they are capable against Prem teams and deserve a slot, and Publiclir kinda have as well.

ddf5 finished below the other two in the cup, and alongside ownage squad and Infused have far less experience and talent on paper.

That's not to say they'll be better in practise, but a 5/6 team playoff is daft for 4 slots and I think the admins should use a bit of judgement to separate the teams into two groups.

EDIT: I say "daft", what I mean is time-consuming, arduous and unnecessary.

To be honest ddf5 only lost to publicir because of gravelpit and the overall game was 4-5, other than that ddf5 is on par if not better than publicir. Also we couldnt sign up for the cup because our team didnt even exist back when it started. It just seems very unprofessional to advance teams solely on "they look better on paper"

Just make the playoffs longer than 3 days, it just means more matches to spectate and more action going on, it also puts all the teams on the same starting line

I 100% disagree. I think we have proven ourselves as a solid prem team and shouldn't need to prove ourselves in playoffs. You don't want to put too many teams in playoffs. If the admins do decide to put us or Lego in playoffs then i'm confident we will win but I think high teams and newly formed teams should be put in there instead as you haven't proven yourselves at a Prem level yet.

Also it's not as simple as just "making the playoffs longer than 3 days". If you have 5+ teams in the playoffs chances are that not all teams will have their lineup for more than 3 days in a row therefore needing mercs and putting them at an unfair disadvantage.

It's hard to say which teams will get the guaranteed prem spots if they have to separate them imo because there are a lot of factors to consider, I guess the main factors are prem experience and recent results, in which case I'd expect Publiclir and Planet Express to get the spots and the other 3 to go to playoffs, but PlanEx is also quite a new roster so I think ownage could contest for the guaranteed prem spot considering we've had a pretty consistent roster for 2 seasons, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Saying ddf5 "only lost because of gravelpit" when it's in a cup full of new maps and is the only map you can't just freestyle is total shit. They lost, same as PlEx did, because Publiclir have more experienced and intelligent players, and it shows on Gpit because it's different. PlEx bodied them with their synergy and teamfights on the koth/5cp maps because they can pugscrim style it, ddf5 didn't because they don't have the huge DM/teamwork advantage.

Creating your team right before the Season and expecting all the teams with more time to prepare and organise themselves to be set back down to your level is also ridiculous. If you want to get into Prem no problem, then form with weeks to spare and prove yourselves. Don't ask that other teams who did the work get dragged down with you to the playoffs.

And how are you assessing that ddf5 are better than Publiclir.se if they lost to them when it mattered in the tiny sample we have of their games so far?

EDIT: At the end of the day if you win your games in the Playoffs you will be Prem. You'd have to finish bottom/2nd from bottom in the playoffs to go into High in either situation, so if you do deserve to be in Prem you will have ample opportunity either way.

I would consider publicir to be a new team as well since they got only like 2 same players from DHW.

The dd5f vs publicir was still a pretty close game but thats true, win is a win.

I'm not asking other teams to down to our level because there was no official "level" set yet, the pre-season cup was experimental to test unlocks and maps. Also it was never a thing before just to put a team in prem without them winning div1/high or playing the playoffs. Or maybe it was and i just don't remember it, in which case i apologise.

And yes, i think the longer playoffs are unnecessary and too time consuming for players, it was just a concept how it could be more fair to all the teams.

I'm not arguing that either planet express nor publicir don't deserve a spot in prem, they are both very capable of it, i'm just pointing out that from my point of view it's not 100% fair to the other qualifying teams.

Cheers,
Byte.

That's definitely happened before but it's usually whatever new top prem team there was like all the kaidus+5 rosters around s15 ish that wouldn't need to be tested in playoffs. I think I've seen other lower-prem teams formed that proved their prem-readiness via logs and stuff.

Okay then my bad, didn't know that was a thing.

ownage squad seem to qualify the least out of the candidates, given that I haven't seen a positive result against a Prem team (or potential, like Infused) in scrims, have no official results against Prem teams, and they have little Prem experience.

Didn't dd+5f beat Publiclir (with Hafficool merc) in the group stage?!

All teams should have to qualify, but Sonny Black will weasel his way out of it :D

They beat them on one map when Publiclir had 2 mercs, and then Publiclir beat them on the map in the semi-final when they had their proper roster. dd5f were looking ok but a 5/6 team playoff is a waste of time.

Either a team is considered a contender for prem or not. I dunno why a map test cup is being used as consideration.. Even pcw results are more useful than that.

That's a false dichotomy, we're discussing whether a team should be placed directly into prem or have to contend for it. All of these teams are prem contenders.

I disagree with the map test cup as well, pcw results are less or at most as useful as a cup situation where teams are directly trying to win on maps that they've spent more time playing with that team than any other (given how new these teams all are). The results should factor in along with what few scrim results they have. They certainly shouldn't be penalised for playing an ETF2L cup, as they have had less time to get scrim results on normal maps and therefore less time to prove themselves if you ignore those games.

I'm not trying to contest which team is better, I'm just showing you how easy it is to cast doubt on any skill judgement.

The idea that you are wasting teams' time is laughable when they are already keening it up in the pre-season and committing 7+ weeks of their lives to playing the season itself. If they are good enough they can win their way in to the Premiership like every other cunt.

Qualification matches settle all arguments. It puts it in the hands of the teams and not some fucking circlejerk.

Are we? I guess I should have quoted but I was addressing the points that suggested various teams were unworthy of playoffs due to results on irrelevant maps + there being "too many" candidates.

Sideshow, I feel like you're putting way too much emphasis on the cup results. New teams on new maps that nobody practiced beforehand, what do you expect? Anyway, in my opinion Planet Express is the only team that really proved themselves in the preseason and shouldn't have to compete in playoffs.

They had one merc in the first match: top prem scout Hafficool. We tied 3-3 and then won the golden cap. In the second match we won coalplant 3-0, lost logjam in golden cap, and got crushed on gravelpit (a map that won't be in the playoffs or in the season). Everything except gravelpit was a nailbiter or in our favour, and your conclusion is that they are better and more intelligent than us. It seems like you haven't seen our games against Publiclir, so you draw conclusions based solely on the final result of the second match and your slightly biased assumptions.

ETF2L will decide based on screenshots and pcw results combined with the results of the preseason cup. This is why nuze saying that ownage squad are contenders for being put straight into prem is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I don't think his team has beaten a single team competing for prem this season in pcws (they also lost to infused) and they weren't even in the cup. I agree with feeling my man but I feel like 2teeth and publicir both deserve to be in prem. I think if they are put in playoffs they will win with ease but I would rather see them in prem and have like ownage squad, infused and whoever else is wanting prem in the playoffs. I would put publicir and 2teeth in prem and then have a playoff between 2-3 teams for the last spot (I can only think of infused and ownage squad).

Also people who are arguing about who is better between 2teeth and publicir, If I personally had to play against one of them I would feel more confident vs publicir but I think there is so little between them that its impossible to say who is better at this moment. Publicir did beat them in the cup but I would put my money on 2teeth to be better in the actual season. I think they are both equally deserving of a prem spot though.

we havent gotten a chance to play 2teeth or publicir yet, how do you know we dont deserve it more than them without a playoff game?

If you dont have screenshots/logs then how are people suppose to know if you are good enough to skip the playoff games and just get put in prem?