Turbomonkey
Personally I don't think what Reason did was particularly nice. It has killed our team and that is hard to take. But when you have a player like Drackk who is playing at a high skill level he should be playing at the very top of TF2. He had a choice at the end of it and he decided he wanted to play with them not us.
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[quote=Turbomonkey]
Personally I don't think what Reason did was particularly nice. It has killed our team and that is hard to take. But when you have a player like Drackk who is playing at a high skill level he should be playing at the very top of TF2. He had a choice at the end of it and he decided he wanted to play with them not us. [/quote]
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is this thread being derailed again
is this thread being derailed [i]again[/i]
mustardoverlorddescamustard ur a fucking retard,I posted that islamic extermist were responsible for the most violent acts of terrorism. You then said that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were terrorist acts and called me a racist
because by the majority of definitions of terrorism they were, thus proving that the term terrorism is inherently loaded and meaningless and that you were using it to cite islam as a unique creator of violence unparalleled in the modern world, which I find to be racist
if the USA didn't nuke Japan, it would have just been more firebombing, starvation, a very bloody invasion and a way bigger soviet presence. You could say the USA saved Japan from reigns of terrorism by nuking them. :)
[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=desca]mustard ur a fucking retard,I posted that islamic extermist were responsible for the most violent acts of terrorism. You then said that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were terrorist acts and called me a racist[/quote]
because by the majority of definitions of terrorism they were, thus proving that the term terrorism is inherently loaded and meaningless and that you were using it to cite islam as a unique creator of violence unparalleled in the modern world, which I find to be racist[/quote]
if the USA didn't nuke Japan, it would have just been more firebombing, starvation, a very bloody invasion and a way bigger soviet presence. You could say the USA saved Japan from reigns of terrorism by nuking them. :)
sacmustardoverlorddescamustard ur a fucking retard,I posted that islamic extermist were responsible for the most violent acts of terrorism. You then said that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were terrorist acts and called me a racist
because by the majority of definitions of terrorism they were, thus proving that the term terrorism is inherently loaded and meaningless and that you were using it to cite islam as a unique creator of violence unparalleled in the modern world, which I find to be racist
if the USA didn't nuke Japan, it would have just been more firebombing, starvation, a very bloody invasion and a way bigger soviet presence. You could say the USA saved Japan from reigns of terrorism by nuking them. :)
Dont make it seem like a postivie thing when its not
[quote=sac][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=desca]mustard ur a fucking retard,I posted that islamic extermist were responsible for the most violent acts of terrorism. You then said that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were terrorist acts and called me a racist[/quote]
because by the majority of definitions of terrorism they were, thus proving that the term terrorism is inherently loaded and meaningless and that you were using it to cite islam as a unique creator of violence unparalleled in the modern world, which I find to be racist[/quote]
if the USA didn't nuke Japan, it would have just been more firebombing, starvation, a very bloody invasion and a way bigger soviet presence. You could say the USA saved Japan from reigns of terrorism by nuking them. :)[/quote]
Dont make it seem like a postivie thing when its not
DamnEasyDont make it seem like a postivie thing when its not
they are still using the purple hearts medals for soldiers made in bulk becuase the top command expected over a million casualities on US side alone in any eventual invasion of Japan. http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rumor-doctor/the-rumor-doctor-1.104348/are-purple-hearts-from-1945-still-being-awarded-1.116756
Also, more people died in Tokyo being firebombed than the nukes combined, and that wasn't one flash and a bang, but days of stoking a city on fire, like Dresden but imagine the entire city is made out of Bamboo.
[quote=DamnEasy]
Dont make it seem like a postivie thing when its not[/quote]
they are still using the purple hearts medals for soldiers made in bulk becuase the top command expected over a million casualities on US side alone in any eventual invasion of Japan. http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rumor-doctor/the-rumor-doctor-1.104348/are-purple-hearts-from-1945-still-being-awarded-1.116756
Also, more people died in Tokyo being firebombed than the nukes combined, and that wasn't one flash and a bang, but days of stoking a city on fire, like Dresden but imagine the entire city is made out of Bamboo.
DamnEasyDont make it seem like a postivie thing when its not
It was one of the most horrific and deadly wars in history so of course there is nothing positive about it. However nuking Japan was the right thing to do as they would never have surrendered if they weren't nuked. The Japanese back then weren't like us and they placed honour and pride over everything else (apart from maybe the destruction of their entire country). This is why Japan never would have surrendered if it wasn't for the nuke. Even after they had been nuked the decision ended up as a tie in the council and it came down to the Emperors decision. If japan had never been nuked the war would have continued and many many more Japanese and Allied soldiers would have been killed. Since the Japanese at the time believed so strongly in never surrendering a group of soldiers even tried to steal the recording of the surrender tape but it was smuggled out in a basket of womens underwear. Many of the Japanese killed themselves (usually by Seppuku which is basically disemboweling yourself) as they couldn't face the shame of surrender.
Basically the nuking of Japan was horrific but necessary as the Japanese would have never surrendered otherwise.
[quote=DamnEasy]
Dont make it seem like a postivie thing when its not[/quote]
It was one of the most horrific and deadly wars in history so of course there is nothing positive about it. However nuking Japan was the right thing to do as they would never have surrendered if they weren't nuked. The Japanese back then weren't like us and they placed honour and pride over everything else (apart from maybe the destruction of their entire country). This is why Japan never would have surrendered if it wasn't for the nuke. Even after they had been nuked the decision ended up as a tie in the council and it came down to the Emperors decision. If japan had never been nuked the war would have continued and many many more Japanese and Allied soldiers would have been killed. Since the Japanese at the time believed so strongly in never surrendering a group of soldiers even tried to steal the recording of the surrender tape but it was smuggled out in a basket of womens underwear. Many of the Japanese killed themselves (usually by Seppuku which is basically disemboweling yourself) as they couldn't face the shame of surrender.
Basically the nuking of Japan was horrific but necessary as the Japanese would have never surrendered otherwise.
lmao wtf happened to this thread.
lmao wtf happened to this thread.
E-thugsheepy is the next konr
So many years down the line it's literally like looking at one of my old recposts. So much circlejerking.
[quote=E-thug]sheepy is the next konr[/quote]
So many years down the line it's literally like looking at one of my old recposts. So much circlejerking.
sheepy_dogs_handBasically the nuking of Japan was horrific but necessary as the Japanese would have never surrendered otherwise.
You cant justify the nuking of a country and the murder of 100,000's of people like that. How do you know there was no other way? You werent even alive at the time. You cant say there was no other way because there probably was the nuking just seemed to be the option that was taken.
[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
Basically the nuking of Japan was horrific but necessary as the Japanese would have never surrendered otherwise.[/quote]
You cant justify the nuking of a country and the murder of 100,000's of people like that. How do you know there was no other way? You werent even alive at the time. You cant say there was no other way because there probably was the nuking just seemed to be the option that was taken.
Shooshsheepy_dogs_handBasically the nuking of Japan was horrific but necessary as the Japanese would have never surrendered otherwise.
You cant justify the nuking of a country and the murder of 100,000's of people like that. How do you know there was no other way? You werent even alive at the time. You cant say there was no other way because there probably was the nuking just seemed to be the option that was taken.
This is the dumbest comment I read in a long while, you basically shown you have zero knowledge of the atrocities already commited by both sides in the war, if you read about the alternative plans for the invasion of Japan, it would invovle chemical warfare, starvation, and carpet bombing, as the goal was to have an unconditional surrender which at few allied casualties as possible.
you know, I can write way more in-depth about this, but frankly, just the wiki alone suffices for understanding, in the end, the pacific war could have had an even more bloody outcome for Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
There are voices which assert that the bomb should never have been used at all. I cannot associate myself with such ideas. […] I am surprised that very worthy people—but people who in most cases had no intention of proceeding to the Japanese front themselves—should adopt the position that rather than throw this bomb, we should have sacrificed a million American and a quarter of a million British lives.
— Winston Churchill, leader of the Opposition, in a speech to the British House of Commons, August 1945[5]
How ironic that you claim that we cant make a judgment because we weren't alive at the time, but you can judge on how evil it was, in the comfort you'd never have to assail a beach in Okinawa.
[quote=Shoosh][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
Basically the nuking of Japan was horrific but necessary as the Japanese would have never surrendered otherwise.[/quote]
You cant justify the nuking of a country and the murder of 100,000's of people like that. How do you know there was no other way? You werent even alive at the time. You cant say there was no other way because there probably was the nuking just seemed to be the option that was taken.[/quote]
This is the dumbest comment I read in a long while, you basically shown you have zero knowledge of the atrocities already commited by both sides in the war, if you read about the alternative plans for the invasion of Japan, it would invovle chemical warfare, starvation, and carpet bombing, as the goal was to have an unconditional surrender which at few allied casualties as possible.
you know, I can write way more in-depth about this, but frankly, just the wiki alone suffices for understanding, in the end, the pacific war could have had an even more bloody outcome for Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
There are voices which assert that the bomb should never have been used at all. I cannot associate myself with such ideas. […] I am surprised that very worthy people—but people who in most cases had no intention of proceeding to the Japanese front themselves—should adopt the position that rather than throw this bomb, we should have sacrificed a million American and a quarter of a million British lives.
— Winston Churchill, leader of the Opposition, in a speech to the British House of Commons, August 1945[5]
How ironic that you claim that we cant make a judgment because we weren't alive at the time, but you can judge on how evil it was, in the comfort you'd never have to assail a beach in Okinawa.
jesus christ this thread lmao
jesus christ this thread lmao
Shooshsheepy_dogs_handBasically the nuking of Japan was horrific but necessary as the Japanese would have never surrendered otherwise.
You cant justify the nuking of a country and the murder of 100,000's of people like that. How do you know there was no other way? You werent even alive at the time. You cant say there was no other way because there probably was the nuking just seemed to be the option that was taken.
This was the only way to get Japan to surrender without risking the lives of Allied soldiers (USA, UK ect). If you can think of another way to end the war and get a military who will literally gut themselves alive at the thought of surrender to surrender without bombing them, lets hear it. It's justified because its WAR. It was a horrible choice to make but I strongly believe it was the right one. I do not think there was any other way to end it all without risking more and more of our own people and even the Japanese people. Also I don't see what me not being alive at the time have to do with anything? It wasn't that long ago and there were many others who were alive to tell what happened.
The only other thing I can think of was to show Japan the power of the bomb in the hopes they will surrender when they see it. Even then I imagine Japan would still not surrender.
[quote=Shoosh][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
Basically the nuking of Japan was horrific but necessary as the Japanese would have never surrendered otherwise.[/quote]
You cant justify the nuking of a country and the murder of 100,000's of people like that. How do you know there was no other way? You werent even alive at the time. You cant say there was no other way because there probably was the nuking just seemed to be the option that was taken.[/quote]
This was the only way to get Japan to surrender without risking the lives of Allied soldiers (USA, UK ect). If you can think of another way to end the war and get a military who will literally gut themselves alive at the thought of surrender to surrender without bombing them, lets hear it. It's justified because its WAR. It was a horrible choice to make but I strongly believe it was the right one. I do not think there was any other way to end it all without risking more and more of our own people and even the Japanese people. Also I don't see what me not being alive at the time have to do with anything? It wasn't that long ago and there were many others who were alive to tell what happened.
The only other thing I can think of was to show Japan the power of the bomb in the hopes they will surrender when they see it. Even then I imagine Japan would still not surrender.
you greatly overrate your own intelligence compared to others reading this thread by even bothering to list the UK and US as allied forces. you are at best a colleague in these discussions, not an elementary school teacher.
you greatly overrate your own intelligence compared to others reading this thread by even bothering to list the UK and US as allied forces. you are at best a colleague in these discussions, not an elementary school teacher.
please take this debate to the popular history discussion subforum
please take this debate to the [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/forum/303/the-dumpster]popular history discussion[/url] subforum
clckwrkyou greatly overrate your own intelligence compared to others reading this thread by even bothering to list the UK and US as allied forces. you are at best a colleague in these discussions, not an elementary school teacher.
What are you even on about? Maybe some people don't know what the allied forces are, you never know. I don't see the problem with explaining it in case someone might not be aware.
[quote=clckwrk]you greatly overrate your own intelligence compared to others reading this thread by even bothering to list the UK and US as allied forces. you are at best a colleague in these discussions, not an elementary school teacher.[/quote]
What are you even on about? Maybe some people don't know what the allied forces are, you never know. I don't see the problem with explaining it in case someone might not be aware.
sacmustardoverlorddescamustard ur a fucking retard,I posted that islamic extermist were responsible for the most violent acts of terrorism. You then said that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were terrorist acts and called me a racist
because by the majority of definitions of terrorism they were, thus proving that the term terrorism is inherently loaded and meaningless and that you were using it to cite islam as a unique creator of violence unparalleled in the modern world, which I find to be racist
if the USA didn't nuke Japan, it would have just been more firebombing, starvation, a very bloody invasion and a way bigger soviet presence. You could say the USA saved Japan from reigns of terrorism by nuking them. :)
I don't even necessarily disagree with that, it's irrelevant to my point
my point is that that we choose to use an extremely myopic definition of terrorism in the U.S., one that the international community has never accepted, and that doing so allows us to act like violence committed by Islamic extremists is completely different from anything our country ever does, whereas I think the term "terrorism" has become loaded and meaningless and filled with more emotion than actual descriptive utility
[quote=sac][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=desca]mustard ur a fucking retard,I posted that islamic extermist were responsible for the most violent acts of terrorism. You then said that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were terrorist acts and called me a racist[/quote]
because by the majority of definitions of terrorism they were, thus proving that the term terrorism is inherently loaded and meaningless and that you were using it to cite islam as a unique creator of violence unparalleled in the modern world, which I find to be racist[/quote]
if the USA didn't nuke Japan, it would have just been more firebombing, starvation, a very bloody invasion and a way bigger soviet presence. You could say the USA saved Japan from reigns of terrorism by nuking them. :)[/quote]
I don't even necessarily disagree with that, it's irrelevant to my point
my point is that that we choose to use an extremely myopic definition of terrorism in the U.S., one that the international community has never accepted, and that doing so allows us to act like violence committed by Islamic extremists is completely different from anything our country ever does, whereas I think the term "terrorism" has become loaded and meaningless and filled with more emotion than actual descriptive utility
mustardoverlordsacmustardoverlorddescamustard ur a fucking retard,I posted that islamic extermist were responsible for the most violent acts of terrorism. You then said that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were terrorist acts and called me a racist
because by the majority of definitions of terrorism they were, thus proving that the term terrorism is inherently loaded and meaningless and that you were using it to cite islam as a unique creator of violence unparalleled in the modern world, which I find to be racist
if the USA didn't nuke Japan, it would have just been more firebombing, starvation, a very bloody invasion and a way bigger soviet presence. You could say the USA saved Japan from reigns of terrorism by nuking them. :)
I don't even necessarily disagree with that, it's irrelevant to my point
my point is that that we choose to use an extremely myopic definition of terrorism in the U.S., one that the international community has never accepted, and that doing so allows us to act like violence committed by Islamic extremists is completely different from anything our country ever does, whereas I think the term "terrorism" has become loaded and meaningless and filled with more emotion than actual descriptive utility
the modern day definition of terrorism is basically private citizens commiting acts of voilence for a political purpose vs military or civilian targets. Like Moderate rebels in Syria~
Also please stop using the word racist for "islamophobes" as it has become loaded and meaningless and filled with more emotion than ectual descriptive utility "
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If you think criticising Islam is racist, you must think Islam is a race. And if you think Islam is a race you are a racist.
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[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=sac][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=desca]mustard ur a fucking retard,I posted that islamic extermist were responsible for the most violent acts of terrorism. You then said that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were terrorist acts and called me a racist[/quote]
because by the majority of definitions of terrorism they were, thus proving that the term terrorism is inherently loaded and meaningless and that you were using it to cite islam as a unique creator of violence unparalleled in the modern world, which I find to be racist[/quote]
if the USA didn't nuke Japan, it would have just been more firebombing, starvation, a very bloody invasion and a way bigger soviet presence. You could say the USA saved Japan from reigns of terrorism by nuking them. :)[/quote]
I don't even necessarily disagree with that, it's irrelevant to my point
my point is that that we choose to use an extremely myopic definition of terrorism in the U.S., one that the international community has never accepted, and that doing so allows us to act like violence committed by Islamic extremists is completely different from anything our country ever does, whereas I think the term "terrorism" has become loaded and meaningless and filled with more emotion than actual descriptive utility[/quote]
the modern day definition of terrorism is basically private citizens commiting acts of voilence for a political purpose vs military or civilian targets. Like Moderate rebels in Syria~
Also please stop using the word racist for "islamophobes" as it has become loaded and meaningless and filled with more emotion than ectual descriptive utility "
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@RichardDawkins
If you think criticising Islam is racist, you must think Islam is a race. And if you think Islam is a race you are a racist.
"
Desca gets called a racist and this thread derails entirely. Nice.
Desca gets called a racist and this thread derails entirely. Nice.
Soo... nice weather we're having huh guys?
Soo... nice weather we're having huh guys?
SentinelSoo... nice weather we're having huh guys?
its gonna snow on saturday
[quote=Sentinel]Soo... nice weather we're having huh guys?[/quote]
its gonna snow on saturday