Everytime one of these social issues threads is made, all the ignorant people come slithering out of the woodwork to fervently defend their bigoted opinion for hours on end. Its quite the spectacle to watch really, the closest comparison is that christmas island crab migration. Just replace all of the crabs with sheepy, hooli, and $layer and replace the sea with TFTV.

https://deknarf.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/abbott-bullshit-meter.jpg?w=640&h=322

It's not that you were wrong just because people said so; LsRainbows explained why the study you posted was fraudulent and incorrect by providing evidence that the journal that published that exact same study said that it was misleading and shouldn't have made it past peer review.

It could seem logical to you but you have to look at things objectively and keep an open mind to ideas that contradict your opinion and have a willingness to change your opinion should evidence be against you. Like I said you won't grow intellectually if you only want to believe your opinion.

Yeah man surely you know the full depth and details of my political views by reading stupid posts on an internet video game forum. You have no idea what I or anyone else here really is like as a person.

yes but the issue here is that the people with different opinions dont think its opinion but fact, dont show any proof for saying that, and then insult other people for refuting their "factual" claims with actual facts by stating it was all an opinion in the first place.

"here's a study"
"here's why that study is bad, also links to more credible sources"
"no that's wrong because i said so. also i'm sure there are studies that prove my point of view out there somewhere, but, i mysteriously don't know where they are"

if you linked to actual, credible studies & sources then i'm sure people would be willing to listen to your bad "opinions." but, so far, none of you have.

can u all stop responding to him with actual arguments and just tell him he's fat and has ugly hair or smthn? you'd probably have better odds of making him stop posting and then the thread will get nuked :)

Good job proving you have no idea what you, or anyone in this thread is talking about!

Including you

I wish hitler eliminated your ancestors.

Can we lock the thread or at least rename it to "Watch: TFTV Posters Argue?"

can we ban this guy

I guess I'm biting into a troll but the post you made earlier about the accomplishments of the white race literally falls under the textbook definition of bigotry. You're ascribing characteristics to people not based on individual merit, but the shared physical traits they share with other people. I can't see how anybody can be stupid enough to not comprehend that.

I don't see how praising the white race for their accomplishments is any different from praising a country on their accomplishments. If you think that's bigotry then fair enough, I think that people do behave differently depending on their race due to their cultural upbringing and I think whites are superior due to this.

yeah ur totally not a racist

LOL. Fake hooli quotes. :P

It literally happened 2 weeks ago in California. A transgendered (biological man) was video taping women in the bathroom. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Secret-Recording-Store-Mall-Antelope-Valley-Palmdale-Restroom-207541101.html

i think the problem there is that the person was videotaping in a restroom, not anything to do with gender identity

He was dressed as women, how do you know that he doesn't identify as one?

This is one of the very problems im trying to point out is even if he is a straight man and was just in it for the recordings, allowing the opposite sex into a rest room just opens up a door of possibilities for crimes. There are some pretty small cameras now days if he wasn't an idiot he could have totally gotten away with it.

even if im a racist like everyone here says I am, I try to be as nice as possible to everyone and I do treat everyone equally. If you think i'm racist then fine but I do try very hard to be as nice to people as possible.

Being nice doesn't do anything to alleviate the cultural toxicity of racism. Plenty of people who opposed the Loving v. Virginia ruling guaranteeing interracial couples the right to marry were presumably kind people, but it did nothing to legitimize their views.

How does any of this matter. does this view of mine actually change anything and is it really so awful, i don't treat people of other races any differently when i'm talking with them so I don't see how me being "racist" actually matters to anyone.

he doesn't identify as one it's clear throughout the entire article, people like this just make trans people look bad that doesn't mean trans people should be punished as a whole because of some terrible people. the facts are this: actual trans people have 0 cases of sexual assault against cis in public bathrooms. ur post is literally cis guy vs cis women i don't understand. plus, if you really believe that is a problem, what about all the trans people being sexually assaulted on a daily basis by cis people because they're forced to be in a bathroom that doesn't fit their gender identity?

who cares that 1 of every 2 transgender individuals experience being sexually assaulted in their life. 1 2 3

basically my point is either way you go, that kind of shit is going to happen. but if you let trans people go into the bathroom they identify as it will happen less often if you're including everyone (aka yes trans people aswell)

like as you say, we have it now: Disgusting VILE "trans" women will go into women's bathrooms and sexually assault women, so the solution would be to not allow that right?

but if that were not allowed, trans women will just be fucking sexually assaulted in men's bathrooms, far more often than cis people getting sexually assaulted by trans people.

imagine

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her in a men's bathroom because by your standards your method would prevent sexual assault, so she wouldn't be sexually assaulted in a men's bathroom? (she's trans if you can't tell)

tl;dr explain your solution because it seems like what you want to do will just cause more sexual assault ironically, but instead to trans people

first of all, the incident you linked is from fucking 2013. in may 2013, no less. i think this speaks volumes about both your reading comprehension and your knee jerk "hurr trans people are predators" reaction.

http://i.imgur.com/tDYeIiE.png

lmao

& yeah i admit i was confused for a moment about who i was talking to bc both of your arguments kind of sound the same to me, but... one isolated incident changes the fact that trans people are actually at a higher risk to be assaulted in public bathroom? i watched the video and read the article and didn't even read one word about this person "identifying" as a woman. i think you have a serious case of confirmation bias, because the statistics are really, really against you, even if this person WAS a trans woman. did you ignore the links i posted? who the fuck am i kidding, of course you did. here's some more to drill it into your head:

Debunking The Big Myth About Transgender-Inclusive Bathrooms

PolitiFact NC: Virtually no cases of sexual predators benefiting from transgender anti-discrimination laws

here's a survey on trans people and bathroom assault. it focuses on the population of DC, however.

what's stopping someone of the same sex from video tape in the bathroom? hell, what's stopping cis men from going into the women's restroom in the first place? the sign of a stick figure in a dress? sexual predators don't need permission to enter restrooms. hell, i find it kind of sickening that you use rape as a rhetorical gotcha against a group that's is more likely to be victims of sexual assault, statistically. source 1 source 2 source 3. also a post on the whole bathroom law.

if you think "but i'm transgender" would be a defense that holds water when caught attacking someone in restroom then you might be kind of stupid.

trans people need to piss just like every other human being, shocker! do you think one of those cis woman you seem to care so much about would want a (trans) man that looks like this in their bathrooms, either? no?

personally, i think gendering bathrooms in the first place is dumb. but, as things are, these laws help no one.

i dont know if youve heard about this but there are men who are sexually interested in other men and they similarly share a public bathroom

You are genuinely judging how the person feels from a several paragraph NBC article? The individual could be gender fluid, you never know. But if they are actually trans or not, that is quite irrelevant. There are so many rules and regulations you'd have to implement by allowing either sex to enter either bathroom.

1) Can an individual that completely appears to be a man (clothes, facial hair and general demeanor depict them as a man) enter a women's bathroom? Why or why not?

2) If not, what level of qualifications do they need. Do they need a doctor or psychologist to issue a statement validating that they are a "legitimate" transgender? Or do they need to dress like an average women?

3) What is stopping a straight pervert man or teen from wearing a wig and entering a women's bathroom to take a look at women using the bathroom or showering. If they are accused of being a perv, how to prosecute them and differentiate them from a "legitimate" transgender?

4) At say a university women locker room, a biological man that identifies as a women enters the locker room to shower. Women that are also showering and using the facility see his male body parts, are they to accept this as normal? I have a feeling that security or the police would be called. How do you handle this kind of situation? Are the transgender allowed to shower and enter a women's bathroom as long as they hide their opposite sex body parts?

I could really just keep thinking of scenario after scenario where transgender people could cause quite a disruption in rest rooms and locker rooms.

Really, the "OMG THINK OF THE WOMEN" falls apart immediately when you look at the actual stats of violence of people abusing gender laws vs violence towards trans.

If you actually cared about reducing sexual violence then there's only one position you can take, and you are on the wrong side of the issue.

nvm

And this pretty much sums up your entire nonsensical argument. You just sit there and imagine up scenarios where it could cause an issue, while ignoring reality. By reading your post you get the idea of OMG HOW COULD TRANS PEOPLE IN BATHROOMS EVER WORK, ignoring the fact that it has already worked perfectly fine for years. I don't even have to deconstruct your shitty arguments because reality has already done the job for me

Here you go here is, an example of 1) http://mynorthwest.com/188993/man-caught-undressing-in-front-of-girls-at-green-lake-locker-room/

And another: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/17/man-strips-in-womens-restroom-says-new-transgender-rules-make-it-totally-legal/