Maybe they could stream, but not save the VOD? That way the other teams would only be able to see all the little things that seanbud mentioned if they watched the stream live.

I wonder how many of this teams that don't stream, are gonna make a chip-in at the end of the season asking the community for money.

That's a slightly better option but you're still putting out your pov, strategies, comms, etc. out there. I completely understand why people don't want to stream scrims.

was this directed toward me lol

once im back at college ill probably stream all the scrims i ever do play

Your comms being listenable being a disadvantage? Seriously?

You're suddenly at a disadvantage because the other team knows that you can communicate when things die or how much damage you've done?

This may come as a shock, but every team that has ever been dominant in this game has only been so because they had the best dm there was. Sorry to burst the theorycrafting meta-bubble, but just because you run a heavy on last instead of a pyro doesn't mean that you're suddenly going to be taking rounds off of teams that DM better than you.

I started playing comp tf2 because of streams. Thanks seanbud, thanks lange.

If anyone actually watched and paid attention to the "Ask me TF2 Questions" stream I did 3 days ago that went on for 3 hours. I said that BP was the first team I have been on where we develop very specific strats and plays for maps that we practice as much as we can. If the team we go against in a match knew our Process strat where Shrugger and I push in to force the enemy med, they could easily prepare a counter strat for our play.
I bet money that in matches many of you have played in, at least one person on your team will say "I've heard that -insert persons name- likes to push up far left at mid" or "This team likes to take boxes and push across from there." So don't act like knowing how the team you have a match against plays a map isn't helping your team out. TF2 isn't all about DM skills, especially in Invite

Plus, I knew that I was not streaming as much as I was in the past. So to make up for this I made sure to stream every Invite Pug I joined. I've helped in Newbie Mixes and I did a three hour long "TF2 questions" segment where anyone could ask me strat/tf2 questions and I'm planning on streaming the newbie mix spec/questions server this weekend. I've also been trying to figure out my team could do "simple" scrims or something where we don't go over our match strats in a scrim so we can stream it. I can't do that for Viaduct week because we have a match tomorrow and a match the day after that. I have also been working on making this up to everyone by releasing the mumble coms and pov of our matches. I wasn't able to do that for process because the video is corrupted and process demos are now broken.
Then there is my plan to make ESEA map plays videos to get more publicity and excitement for the league. Oh, and I'm back at school

Seeing the attitude some of you are getting in this thread is just ridiculous, and its leaving a bad taste in my mouth
(P.S Streaming at 720p at 60fps will give 90% of people a performance hit)

Thanks tagg. Keep up the good work and hopefully other teams will take after!

As i see it, for a game to grow or increase its viewership, AMA streams, youtube videos, podcasts, etc. doesn't do anything. For it to happen there needs to be streams of top teams playing (either it being casts or pov streams). There needs to be regular content being delivered along the week with a certain schedule. That way people will keep tuning in every time to watch.

And probably this attitude you're seeing is because people just don't agree with top teams choosing to help themselves instead of the game. At least i don't.

should just have a gentleman's agreement for all 8 invite teams to stream that way no one can complain

We should all watch IM/Open scrims then.

Nah, was meant in general, dont flatter yourself

It seems like everyone started streaming when they wanted donations for LAN, and now that there isn't an immediate need for donations very few invite players continue to stream scrims.

If I'm going to spend my evening watching TF2 streams, I want to watch people who are actually good. Invite pugs aren't the same either. :(

this thread keeps getting worse and worse
everyone, make up your own reason and believe it
I'm done with this thread

Glad I'm not the only person that saw it that way.

This

Don't worry, Tri plans on streaming his scrims despite the real life implications they have on an Invite team /sarcasm.

The main issue is his team rarely scrims.. and the Chess Club has never had a single strat in any of its years in existence (think this dates back to HRG as well).

there are better things to do with your time than watch invite teams scrim

i'm not sure what they are because i never leave my house, but i've heard rumors

*cough* Tyrone *cough*

Ok, bye then.

You guys only scrim the same 6 teams (the ones you'll play in matches) -- you're clearly better than all but mixup and MAYBE dont trip. During these scrims you have 5-6 specs per scrim watching. Invite players trade STV demos of eachother like packs of skittles. Long story short: you all know.

What is it about the community requesting invite scrim streams that drives you to be this emotional? Just say 'no', and move on? I stand by every word I said in my other post, I think more invite teams should stream so the casuals have access to the teams and their personalities. Considering the time investment 90% of invite makes to the game, catering to the community we're trying to grow shouldn't be this big of a ask, nor should it elicit such ridiculous responses.

Oh and I wasn't actually calling you a bitch, Tagg. I was kidding.

http://i.imgur.com/jWquF.jpg

Kaidus is streaming his scrims right now like he does pretty much everyday. Why do the US players have to be so secretive and bitchy about streaming especially after hearing a lot of you promising to stream scrims? Only person that really seems to want to do this is Seanbud. Don't promise things you're not gonna back up please.

im gonna start streaming again. i didn't really see a need to before with everyone else streaming but now that most others have stopped i guess i will again.

I never quite understood the idea of keeping a strategy secret like it's a panacea to all your problems. If you're on a top 3/4 team, you're either keeping strategies from teams who know better anyway (like mixup) or teams that are not going to change the outcome of the game just because they know "shrugger likes to push up the right side." Unfortunately, I've wasted quite a fair portion of my life on this game, and if there's anything I've learned, it's that TF2 (and most games, quite honestly) is very reactionary; in order to excel in TF2, teams need to be able to adapt, react, and innovate new ways to play during the game, instead of rehashing old strategies with fingers crossed. Most importantly, they need to notice. And if you're on a top team and expect to stay at the top, you or your team is noticing things that the other team is doing throughout the entire game. Every team has a sort of preliminary strategy when attacking the point on viaduct, for instance. But once something goes wrong (either the other team guesses your positioning or by chance, it is inhibited by some factor), it's on you and your team to adapt to it.

It's things like this that make teams like Mixup the best in the game. Analyzing things in the moment is the key to winning games in TF2. Obviously, this is hard to achieve, because responsibility lies with every team member. But one thing will always be true -- teams win games because they were playing better. Whether it's just that day or the team itself is much better, the outcomes of games are not decided by stream sniping and finding out that Taggerung likes to jump on the point. There is a finite amount of broad ideas one can execute in this game, it's how you use them that counts. If you're on BP and under the persuasion that Mixup will be surprised by something, think again.

The only thing that I think should be kept secret is sneaky spots for roamers and scouts. Mackey did this quite a lot, and if you plan on using spots that are unexpected, you shouldn't be using them in scrims regardless. People talk and teams find out.

^ i didn't see a point in having a laggy as fuck game for like minimal viewers because someone else was usually streaming

To be fair, trying to steal strats from BFF is like trying to rob a hobo.

This!!!! i thought i was alone thinking about this

I'm going to put a donation thing on my stream and all proceeds will go to dont trip so that way people stop thinking people only stream for donations.

edit - sorry this has nothing to do with the actual thread.