I thought Tommen would grow into a really good king at some point after he realises his fuckups, but nope.

Yes. I can't wait to see what happens from here. Its nice to have someone who's actually competent. Benjen can survive in the wild, he can fight, and he has knowledge about the WWs and the 3 eyed sparrow etc, instead of a paraplegic, a retard (RIP) and a bitch who can barely pull a cart. Its definitely the most important story for now, and I'm really interested in who's going to be alive at the end to unite against the WWs.

Also, really interesting theory that's been going around: Brann flashes back to the early Mad King Aerys, and tries to warn him or at least speaks of the white walkers, warging into him in the process. This turns Aerys mad, and causes him to want to "Burn them all", as he says during the flashbacks. This also explains the voices that Aerys heard, it was Brann all along.

Why would bran ever do that though now that he knows he fucked up Hodor?

Also, the last dragon scene is the scene I was talking about when I said it should have been there instead of the fire scene in ep 5. It's so much more convincing than that weird fire trick and it seems a bit wasted on a crowd that's obviously already loyal to her since they haven't raped and killed her and fed her remains to the horses yet.

Really cool scene anyway.

Also I hope the children know what they're doing (leaf was pretty dumb with that grenade after all) and B doesn't turn out a zombie

I'm glad Sam isn't being a little bitch any more. 100% going to use that sword for killing white walkers, you know as soon as they say Valyrian steel.

They werent exactly loyal, they just didnt do anything cause she was Khal Drogo Khaleesi.

Anyways what's really killing me it's that , at least here in Portugal, they are "translating" ( more like changing the name ) of some characters. THEY CHANGED GILLY TO GOIVAS FFS IT MAKES NO SENSE

Lol what not even the german dub does this. And the german dub changes so many of the places' names I was confused when I started watching in english only.

Drogo's own Khalasar tried to get her even before Drogo was dead though. Drogo must've been commanding all the scumbags I guess

that was a weird episode

The best in Season 6 so far.

it was...something...thats for sure.

Why downfrags? I thought this was one of the best episodes of the show yet

So what did the Rose or Flower drawing mean? The one that the queen gave her grandmother all secret during their meeting.

So glad the hound returned, love his character

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So it could be part of 1 big scheme to take out the sparrow and the Lannisters in 1 swoop. Sounds fun if if works out that way

as for the actual rose/flower itself, I think it represents the 'Queen of Thorns' through an image. Showing the loyalty to Olenna Tyrell.

same, the BIG SPOILER from the episode actually got me p hyped up

not much happened though lol

Yara Greyjoy

http://emojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/74/cf/74cffff7fd9d85988291c52d3a9e412d.png

Idk, I think a lot happened. I tend to like these episodes that set up a lot of new plots better than the ones where they're all resolved and nothing else happens.

Also I'm confused about Yara's plan. What's her plan? She sails to find Daenerys, knowing that the ass uncle whose name I forgot is gonna be right behind her with 1000 ships, and that meeting's gonna be like
"oi girl, I got 1000 ships u want?"
"sure where the ships at tho"
"uh uncle ass over there actually has the ships I only have like 50 ships lmao but you have dragons right so just fly over there and take them btw he's gonna offer them to u anyway but uh just go and take them cause he's a dick ok also can u help me get my islands back?"

Knowing Dany this might actually work and if uncle ass got to her first, he's obviously dragon fodder and she will just take the ships but if I was Yara and didn't know what she is like I'd feel a bit awkward about this plan.
I assume what's gonna happen is they both arrive there kind of together, ass uncle is gonna make his offer, Dany sees he's a huge turd but needs an ironborn to command the ships, teams up with Yara as the lesser evil and feeds uncle ass to the dragons? Either way uncle ass is gonna be fed to the dragons, calling it now.

The only part of Yara's plan that I wanted to see in the last episode was her "fucking the tits off" that chick she was with.

crashing her ships

with no survivors

Ian Mcschane casted for one episode.

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IIRC, Yara has the 1000 boats, she and her men stole them while her uncle was crowned. That's why Euron urges his followers to build some new ships in episode 6. Yara has the cards, Euron doesn't.

Nah she stole the best ones they had at the time, I'd guess maybe 100 or so from the looks of it. They only started planning the 1000 ship fleet at the king's moot.
That whole scene was really confusing anyway. Theon said that "many" of the attendees had served under Yara. And she had enough loyal men to make off with the majority of their ships. Yet at the end of the moot, the crowd unanimously yells for Euron, despite him having murdered their previous king. This must mean that all the guys who hailed Euron must have believed that Yara wasn't fit to execute Euron's plan, maybe because they thought him marrying the dragon queen would be a good idea. Either way, two things can be deduced from this: 1. there must have been a lot more people at that moot than the scene makes it look like and 2. Yara's (loyal) followers must be a clear minority among the ironborn at the moot. So there's no way she actually has 1000 ships under her command because I don't think that many men could possibly be a minority on the iron islands' king's moot.

Also, Ironborn must have the blood of sanic in them because they ran ashore, rowed to the ships and readied the whole fleet to sail off within Euron's like 5 minute coronation. And they're also building a fleet of 1000 large ships in a manner of weeks I guess?
I don't know if this is actually realistic if tens of thousands (maybe more?) of people work on them but it seems ridiculous to me (for reference the Spanish Armada was a fleet of 130 ships, cost 2/3 of the spanish empire's income and took several years to build). Someone with shipbuilding experience clear this up for me

The Spanish Armada was full of huge ships that were more geared towards combat then anything else. It was and always will be faster and cheater to build ships that are just for carrying cargo/troops. I am not sure about Naval combat in GoT but there is no gunpowder for cannons so you can't really compare it to the era of the Spanish Armada. Probably the best comparison would be to Late Greek and Early Roman shipbuilding if they had advanced metalworking

Basically, if you just want to build transport vessels and have an entire population behind you, it is feasible to build a crazy amount of ships in a short time. 1000 ships is a little out of control but who knows.

Xerxes of the Persian empire has been said to build up a fleet of 1207 ships in the two years before the battle of Salamis.

The Romans, has to build up their fleet in one season multiple times, after storms basically wreck most of their navy

"Despite the Roman victories at sea, the Roman Republic lost countless ships and crews during the war, due to both storms and battles. On at least two occasions (255 and 253 BC) whole fleets were destroyed in bad weather; the disaster off Camarina in 255 BC counted two hundred seventy ships and over one hundred thousand men lost, the greatest single loss in history'
Since the Ironborn are basically pirates it's not hard to imagine them having a massivle fleet.
"Immediately after the end of the war, a permanent force of ca. 100 vessels was established in the Aegean from the contributions of Rome's allied maritime states. Although sufficient to guard against Mithridates, this force was totally inadequate against the pirates, whose power grew rapidly.[25] Over the next decade, the pirates defeated several Roman commanders, and raided unhindered even to the shores of Italy, reaching Rome's harbor, Ostia.[26] According to the account of Plutarch, "the ships of the pirates numbered more than a thousand, and the cities captured by them four hundred."[27] "

BUT the effect of this would lead to severe deforestation and later soil erosion, basically having to deal with a lot of enviromental problems. Just ask Sicily which used to be a heavily forested island, until the Romans basically cut down every tree they could use, forever changing the landscape of the island.

One of the main reasons 1000 ships is kinda crazy when you compare to actual human history is size. From what I understand, the ironborn do not have incredibly large amounts of land under their control.

The Persian fleet you mention was full of ships ordered to that location from all over the empire and the Persian empire was incredibly vast. The same can be said about the Romans as they gained land and resources.

Wow quality posts, cool.
But yeah, this

On the show at least, the iron islands look like they're just a bunch of rocks with not much growing on them.
After the past episodes I'm really not sure about the iron islands' size and population in the show.

-They have enough of a population to apparently build a gigantic fleet at sanic speeds
-They have enough sailors to man that gigantic fleet
-They have so many men that the crews of the maybe 100 ships Yara made off with were such a distinct minority that they wouldn't dare to rise up against Euron at the King's moot.
BUT
-They get "swatted down and conquered" by the houses of Westeros on a regular basis

The last 2 are especially weird to me since the crews of this fleet

http://puu.sh/pkC0P/d6eb28dcd3.jpg

alone would make for a sizeable army in westeros. And apparently there are significantly more men yet in Euron's camp (at least 10 times as many if he is actually gonna build and man his 1000 ships).

Ironborn powerlevel is unclear to me

The persian navy was constructed in the Ionian cities, it's not as if they could construct them in the persian gulf and sail all the way across africa to reach the meditterrean. and the Romans in the first punic war didnt even have control over sicily or entire Italy. The vast Roman empire only started being a thing AFTER having three punic wars. And in the books, the Ironborn do have fortresses captured on the coasts, so i imagine they would just import lumber from there; they have more ground under "temoporary control" untampered by any authority on the western westeros mainland then is shown in the series..

But yeah spartan you're absolutely right if it seems they don't have either the resources or the menpower for their goals, based on the outcome of the previous rebellion and war they had and what you see of them in the series. a 1000 ships in one month, would be crewed by tens of thousands of men, who also have to build them and have to run agriculture/fishing metallurgy in the meantime. They should have took a page from the Dutch and had them steal the Lannister navy's flagships.

During that battle the Ionian Rebels had their own ships. Perhaps some were made along that coast for the fleet but not the bulk of the battle fleet. You may need to consult a historical map but the "Persian Empire" of this time period used the Persian Gulf area to expand East, not West.

The Persians controlled all of the coastline from beyond Armenia (current day Georgia and Russia) down to Egypt at the top of Africa. If you look at the map you understand what an incredible amount of coastline that includes. Getting 1000 ships from that vast stretch of coastline was easily possible and they had over 1200 for the battle.

In either case, I doubt we will see any naval action on GoT. Without gunpowder, Naval engagements boiled down to positioning based on the wind and geography. Setting up ramming attacks on enemy ships and boarding parties to kill the enemy. Perhaps that could be enjoyable on GoT in some sense but I doubt it will happen.

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I think you misunderstood what i said, because that's exactly what I meant when i said they had their ships build on their western coastline, including from the Ionians who were crushed in the rebellion which lead to the first greco-Persian war. They provided over 100 ships to the Persian Navy and were not on the greek side for the second Greco-Persian war which had the battle of Salamis. My fault for just using the term ionian coastline then, but I meant that they wouldn't be able to use a fleet constructed in the persian golf.