How dumb are you...

Except daily gun violence isn't from legally owned guns. It's mostly gang violence in cities like Chicago. Stringent gun control creates a duopoly of force between the state and criminals, just like what happened with prohibition and the drug war (see Venezuela, where every public place is an enforced gun free zone). A lot of Gun violence issues can be mapped on to poverty and mental health issues.

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This is so messed up. RIP all the victims and thanks to the brave officers who managed to eliminate the shooter.

I think gun control is a problem- keeping guns away from people like this. I don't care if you have your assault rifle, handguns, etc. I just think that there are clearly red flags that pop up when these people go in for certifications and background checks. It's not our gun control system that is the big problem, it's our mental health system.

Pretty much. Jails often serve as mental health wards, since most of them were closed.

The gun murder rate is adjusted per capita already?

@vibhavp: I think that's a fair point (although I wonder how many of those guns started out as legally owned guns). I don't think it's the gun laws themselves that are to blame, but the cultural climate that both perpetuated those laws and is being perpetuated by such laws. There's a kind of feedback loop going on there. Suddenly banning guns the next day won't change anything, I agree. But action can be taken to reduce these numbers in a slow and gradual way.

@new comments: How about not just the mental health system but the entire penitentiary/criminal justice system on the whole?

Of course gun related deaths in a country where guns are common will be more. In contries where owning a gun is troublesome people will die more because of knives and other cold weapons. Also america has overall more crime than European contries and police there can shoot a criminal if it's necessary, therefore higher gun deaths.

There are tons of examples where a country has strict gun laws, but very high homicide rate, like mexico. Probably because of drug dealers and cartels. Cartels are fully armed unlike normal citizens. People who want to get a gun for malicious purpose will get it no matter what the laws are.

holy shit some people are fucked up in the head

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is crw a sheepy alt?

Our criminal justice system is fucking atrocious. Like vibhavp said, our prisons often house "criminals" that require mental care and rehabilitation, rather than punishment. I'm not even going to talk about the prejudice and vicious cycle that is our prison system. All in all, prison reform is difficult to accomplish, but it needs to be done.

Mexico's cartels are a bit of a special case because the police can't and won't do anything about it. If a police officer arrests someone and finds out they're a cartel member, they let them go. Mexico's more an example of what happens when you don't crack down and let a criminal culture thrive.

That's not really the case with America, where if the police catch a gang member he still gets arrested. The criminal culture in America is able to be contained and dealt with, in small steps. Refusing to make progress (that doesn't necessarily mean outlawing guns mind you), because of a worst case scenario that isn't even applicable is pretty dumb. Gun control isn't the be-all end-all solution, but there's been way too much gang violence and way too much mass shootings to just pass off as "we can't do anything about it."

It's based on the average. If the average developed country's without America is somewhere less than 0.15 per 100k, but America's is 3.6 per 100k, then America is more than 25x the average of the rest.

It's not the best statistic, but the math checks out.

I would have to agree that gun laws are a problem IN COMBINATION WITH the mental health system. A lot of people are quick to jump tot he conclusion that this is some radical Muslim terrorist. This is argument completely unfounded and ignorant.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15BEB/production/_85876098_us_gun_terrorism_624_v4.png

If you check that closely, that's sourced by the U.S. Justice Department.

You cannot imagine someone else holding a different opinion?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/12/omar-mateen-identified-pulse-nightclub-gunman/
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how many mass shootings have to happen before your clueless government steps in and does something about it, whether it be gun control or whatever. living a few hours north of the us border im feeling less and less safe as the years go by. how ignorant do people have to be to think this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that there are 300 million guns flowing around in your country and the lack of accessible, free mental health treatment. my thoughts go out to the victims and their families. this has to stop.

"Mass shooting"
OH SHIT LETS ALL TALK ABOUT GUN LAWS AND EXTREMISTS

well I guess you're right. all islams are terrorists and it's a terrorist religion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The whole point is if the US had restrictive gun laws, even though this guy was a psycho, he couldn't have gotten guns in the first place. And no matter how much you may try and deny it he could not have done this much damage with any other form of weapon except a bomb.

You said that, not me. Also, it's a known fact that muslims in muslim countries hate US and everything western. So if they don't all commit them, many support such actions.

many extremist ones hate western ideas but that doesn't mean everyone. you can't just assume that all Islamic people support terrorism. when you first saw that this shooting first happened, you assumed the person was Islamic. that's racist.

I say we ban all guns UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

since when is radical islam a race?

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Damn didn't knew people from florida are autistic

what are you even saying dude?????

apparently 50 are dead now???? this is awful

jesus christ why

The shooter was wearing a bombvest and was targeting a gay bar, it is safe to assume that the the shooter was islamic. Bombvests are exclusively islamic thing.

Guys he's right, its common knowledge that you need to be a registered muslim before you can get your bombvest liscence from the terrorism department.