Meeting notes:
1. We won't be unbanning anything for the rewind LAN because it could drastically change results due to limited preparation. Players on both sides of the pond agreed that the rescue ranger and jarate were the worst offenders and needed to be banned regardless, at least for the time being.
2. We can always schedule a follow-up meeting but league play starts in a week so let's start experimenting now.
3. There are major issues regarding consistency of weapon bans. People wanted to ban the cow mangler simply because it was annoying (not game breaking) but couldn't apply the same logic to the natscha or the fan of war.
4. We should operate under the assumption that Valve won't give us major game balancing updates more than a few times per year.
5. We shouldn't make massive changes from the last global whitelist. Thus we proposed only 7 changes.
6. Tri specifically (ESEA) was against the quick fix and the solemn vow for reasons you guys have listed above. We agreed to a week of playtesting followed by a solid decision.

i assumed the meeting would be for changing the whitelist after LAN as i didnt think they'd be messing with it so close to the event

I don't think it was as unanimous as you stated here. I'm pretty sure we all agreed not changing the whitelist until after lan.

Never assume, never ever assume

So what I am getting from this is that Medic and Scout got buffed even more. While Soldier and Demo get indirectly nerfed because of the Scout and Medic buffs

SeemsGood

I'm confused people told me the rescue ranger was awful and you didn't want to play with it anymore, and it was justifiable to ban it ASAP? I might have misunderstood, just seeking clarification.

To take it further you guys want to see a Rewind LAN with rescue ranger then?

Hyped for my first season of 6s, S26!

Oh, well, nevermind.

i hate the rescue ranger and want it banned but i dont know that changing the whitelist at all pre-lan after having it in effect for several months is a good idea

are you actually suggesting that new players care at all about weapon bans???

Just keep the current WL until after lan. Then make changes. I had no idea we were determining the white list outcome for lan.

All players care about fun and balance, no matter their skill level.

Also, depends on how you define "new player".

We didn't either, the topic just came up as the LAN is only a week away. It's only two weapons we are talking about here, so I'm sure we can approach samiface and discuss it with her.

What was the point of letting the rest of the community watch if they had no influence on the decisions made whatsoever?

I understand that you can't have hundreds of people talking in discord at the same time but surely there was a better way that we could have gone about this, because from the looks of things no one is happy at all, and I don't blame them.

Like, does anyone honestly think that the entire community (or even a good majority of it) wanted the quickfix and the sodapopper unbanned? The responses this thread has garnered could have fooled me.

The solemn vow unban isn't really that bad. In higher divs people will use the ubersaw because it's better considering they should be able to track uber and listen to comms to know people's hp. However a good nerf to the Solemn Vow would be to make it so you can only see the players info when having the weapon out.

OK sorry but im not going to watch through an hour+ long vod of banny or slin rambling on about this shit you can't reasonably expect everyone to 'just watch the VODs and then form an opinion' i formed my opinion on your guys apparent conclusion

maybe you should have told her that you were gonna discuss changing the LAN whitelist beforehand

no actually the inverse is true, at a higher level nobody is retarded enough to give a medic an ubersaw (like scouts being baited around corners and shit) but being able to tell people's health and uber has no negative consequences so there's no reason not to run it

Last time we held the meeting in secret with just admins and top players. People said they wanted insights into the meeting, so we did the same meeting as last time but this time held it in a public place so people could see it. A lot of people are under the impression that it's best if only the top players are able to make these kinds of decisions around the whitelist (historically in ESEA we did invite captain-only polls) but I thought it'd be good to open up the discussion to the community.

Hindsight is 20/20. As I mentioned, I didn't expect to discuss it at this meeting and it was just an organic topic of discussion.

Okay no worries, I posted some meeting notes. Hope they help.

Pomson?

scout: "+attack2"
me: "kill"

What was the rationale behind unbanning the quick fix
?!?!?

Quick-fix and soda popper unbans? I for one welcome our new and improved scout overlords.

These meetings seem very biased the people in them want certain things removed because they had bad experiences against them like how they talked about the machina

if idiocy of decision is proportional to valve support we got a 4mil major incoming real fast

the pomson doesn't drain uber/cloak from a distance anymore and it's damage from a distance has been reduced

the only way for it to be effective is if the engineer using it is in close-quarters combat which isn't really viable if he has a gun up

first we got fast running medics from scout movement speed

now the flying medics are returning

what on Earth is happening

also why are we banning stuff before what's likely to be the LAN of all LANs again?

actually skipping this season because of the quick fix and pomson unban. what is going through your head, invite players, that "apperantly" know this game so well and admins that allow for this kind of shit to happen
apperantly the only active invite player that had any sort of input was b4nny so sorry for lumping all of you in. didnt mean to since i havent watched the vod myself yet <3

first of all, nobody was able to argue why the pomson is even a good weapon since it got nerfed. it was stated that in most situations, it might lose a medic 1-2% (?) ubercharge from a medium to far distance. however, I can agree with you in that this is one of those "stupid" weapons that probably shouldn't even be in the game. It's really just a pointless weapon that won't do much.

and i'm also sure the quickfix will get banned after one day of scrims

holding last with uber disadvantage oh no problem lets sack a fucking engie with pomson through the choke and get rid of the advantage yeah sure

In case anybody was curious (ignore the reload glitch part of the graph since it's patched):

http://i.imgur.com/0D3SJWD.png

Kind of like corsa said above, I'm sure this will get rebanned relatively quickly