I don't think anyone made this thread before, correct me If I'm totally wrong. But if you want to get good and improve and get into competitive. Do you recommend going into open, instead of ugc instead? for you're first season?
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I don't think anyone made this thread before, correct me If I'm totally wrong. But if you want to get good and improve and get into competitive. Do you recommend going into open, instead of ugc instead? for you're first season?
a lot of people say you should go straight to open but honestly if its your first season theres nothing wrong with playing in a free league first. It sucks to realize that you dont want to commit as much as you thought you would AND you already dropped 17 bucks on it.
a lot of people say you should go straight to open but honestly if its your first season theres nothing wrong with playing in a free league first. It sucks to realize that you dont want to commit as much as you thought you would AND you already dropped 17 bucks on it.
I'll say UGC first for at least one season if you are not the best with DM or are playing a more mechanical class like medic or demo (not discrediting any other class but these, along with every other role take more than just dm, as does every other role, but especially these ones). I do recommend a first season in UGC just so you can see how reliable you are and how you feel about playing the role you want to on a team.
maybe even just a few tryouts (scrims with commong teammates are better) on a UGC team and if you confident enough try open
I'll say UGC first for at least one season if you are not the best with DM or are playing a more mechanical class like medic or demo (not discrediting any other class but these, along with every other role take more than just dm, as does every other role, but especially these ones). I do recommend a first season in UGC just so you can see how reliable you are and how you feel about playing the role you want to on a team.
maybe even just a few tryouts (scrims with commong teammates are better) on a UGC team and if you confident enough try open
maybe even just a few tryouts (scrims with commong teammates are better) on a UGC team and if you confident enough try open
what bill said
also yes open is the best way to improve if that's what you want, but be ready to commit to it
what bill said
also yes open is the best way to improve if that's what you want, but be ready to commit to it
also yes open is the best way to improve if that's what you want, but be ready to commit to it
I spent four seasons in UGC and it was a complete waste of time.
For one, UGC experience doesn't matter to team leaders. If you don't take your UGC team to ESEA, you'll be at square one when posting your LFT or LFP thread.
For two, nobody cares in UGC because it's free. So many of our matches were full-time Pyro + Demoknight or full time Huntsman. The people that want to play UGC are also less committed to improving, as a whole. ESEA-O is not free, so if you want to throw, you're wasting money.
For three, you will get better by playing teams that are better than you, as long as your team doesn't get upset at losing and die. But if that is going to happen, it will still happen after you play a season of UGC, stomp, and go to ESEA, so just get it out of the way now.
For four, don't overestimate low Open players, they're pretty shit.
I spent four seasons in UGC and it was a complete waste of time.
For one, UGC experience doesn't matter to team leaders. If you don't take your UGC team to ESEA, you'll be at square one when posting your LFT or LFP thread.
For two, nobody cares in UGC because it's free. So many of our matches were full-time Pyro + Demoknight or full time Huntsman. The people that want to play UGC are also less committed to improving, as a whole. ESEA-O is not free, so if you want to throw, you're wasting money.
For three, you will get better by playing teams that are better than you, as long as your team doesn't get upset at losing and die. But if that is going to happen, it will still happen after you play a season of UGC, stomp, and go to ESEA, so just get it out of the way now.
For four, don't overestimate low Open players, they're pretty shit.
For one, UGC experience doesn't matter to team leaders. If you don't take your UGC team to ESEA, you'll be at square one when posting your LFT or LFP thread.
For two, nobody cares in UGC because it's free. So many of our matches were full-time Pyro + Demoknight or full time Huntsman. The people that want to play UGC are also less committed to improving, as a whole. ESEA-O is not free, so if you want to throw, you're wasting money.
For three, you will get better by playing teams that are better than you, as long as your team doesn't get upset at losing and die. But if that is going to happen, it will still happen after you play a season of UGC, stomp, and go to ESEA, so just get it out of the way now.
For four, don't overestimate low Open players, they're pretty shit.
I played in open for my very first season, and I feel like I improved quite a bit, however I can't help but feel like maybe I could have gotten similar amounts of improvement from playing a season of UGC first (maybe we could have actually won some games in UGC too). If $30 is not an issue for you, you don't mind losing a lot in the interest of getting better, and you've at least played 6s in some capacity beforehand (pugs lobbies etc), then there's nothing wrong with heading right into Open. If you want a season to just get accustomed to playing on a team and potentially actually winning some matches then perhaps spend a season in UGC. At the end of the day I think it really just depends on how you'd rather spend your time, both options are good choices.
I played in open for my very first season, and I feel like I improved quite a bit, however I can't help but feel like maybe I could have gotten similar amounts of improvement from playing a season of UGC first (maybe we could have actually won some games in UGC too). If $30 is not an issue for you, you don't mind losing a lot in the interest of getting better, and you've at least played 6s in some capacity beforehand (pugs lobbies etc), then there's nothing wrong with heading right into Open. If you want a season to just get accustomed to playing on a team and potentially actually winning some matches then perhaps spend a season in UGC. At the end of the day I think it really just depends on how you'd rather spend your time, both options are good choices.
It really depends on the team, my one season of ugc my entire team was super tryhardy for ugc so we actually took it seriously and I improved a lot from it, vs my first season of open where I was consistently shit on roamer. But at the same time, with an open team with a good mindset, you will improve a lot more then ugc from it. I would go esea simply so you don't get stuck on one of the many iron teams who die before the season starts.
It really depends on the team, my one season of ugc my entire team was super tryhardy for ugc so we actually took it seriously and I improved a lot from it, vs my first season of open where I was consistently shit on roamer. But at the same time, with an open team with a good mindset, you will improve a lot more then ugc from it. I would go esea simply so you don't get stuck on one of the many iron teams who die before the season starts.
It's totally fine to play a season (or two at most) to let your DM, game sense, and knowledge of how to play in a team environment naturally improve so you have your feet underneath you when you make the leap into open. From knowing you personally, you don't NEED this, but hey you might prefer it. Up to you.
That being said, in low open you're basically guaranteed to have teammates whose primary motivation is to improve, and who at least believe they want to dedicate themselves to that a fair amount- they're basically all paying money to lose, improve, and do better next season, maybe having some fun along the way. This is, of course, as long as you're moderately careful when choosing who you play with.
The other benefit of playing in ESEA is not for you individually, but might matter to you. ESEA is very important to the current health of competitive TF2, and the more teams+players playing in TF2 Open, the more likely they are to continue supporting the game.
It's totally fine to play a season (or two at most) to let your DM, game sense, and knowledge of how to play in a team environment naturally improve so you have your feet underneath you when you make the leap into open. From knowing you personally, you don't NEED this, but hey you might prefer it. Up to you.
That being said, in low open you're basically guaranteed to have teammates whose primary motivation is to improve, and who at least believe they want to dedicate themselves to that a fair amount- they're basically all paying money to lose, improve, and do better next season, maybe having some fun along the way. This is, of course, as long as you're moderately careful when choosing who you play with.
The other benefit of playing in ESEA is not for you individually, but might matter to you. ESEA is very important to the current health of competitive TF2, and the more teams+players playing in TF2 Open, the more likely they are to continue supporting the game.
That being said, in low open you're basically guaranteed to have teammates whose primary motivation is to improve, and who at least believe they want to dedicate themselves to that a fair amount- they're basically all paying money to lose, improve, and do better next season, maybe having some fun along the way. This is, of course, as long as you're moderately careful when choosing who you play with.
The other benefit of playing in ESEA is not for you individually, but might matter to you. ESEA is very important to the current health of competitive TF2, and the more teams+players playing in TF2 Open, the more likely they are to continue supporting the game.
4812622I spent four seasons in UGC and it was a complete waste of time.
For one, UGC experience doesn't matter to team leaders. If you don't take your UGC team to ESEA, you'll be at square one when posting your LFT or LFP thread.
For two, nobody cares in UGC because it's free. So many of our matches were full-time Pyro + Demoknight or full time Huntsman. The people that want to play UGC are also less committed to improving, as a whole. ESEA-O is not free, so if you want to throw, you're wasting money.
For three, you will get better by playing teams that are better than you, as long as your team doesn't get upset at losing and die. But if that is going to happen, it will still happen after you play a season of UGC, stomp, and go to ESEA, so just get it out of the way now.
For four, don't overestimate low Open players, they're pretty shit.
On the flip side of this coin, just because you're playing in UGC doesn't mean you can't scrim ESEA open teams lol.
[quote=4812622]I spent four seasons in UGC and it was a complete waste of time.
For one, UGC experience doesn't matter to team leaders. If you don't take your UGC team to ESEA, you'll be at square one when posting your LFT or LFP thread.
For two, nobody cares in UGC because it's free. So many of our matches were full-time Pyro + Demoknight or full time Huntsman. The people that want to play UGC are also less committed to improving, as a whole. ESEA-O is not free, so if you want to throw, you're wasting money.
For three, you will get better by playing teams that are better than you, as long as your team doesn't get upset at losing and die. But if that is going to happen, it will still happen after you play a season of UGC, stomp, and go to ESEA, so just get it out of the way now.
For four, don't overestimate low Open players, they're pretty shit.[/quote]
On the flip side of this coin, just because you're playing in UGC doesn't mean you can't scrim ESEA open teams lol.
For one, UGC experience doesn't matter to team leaders. If you don't take your UGC team to ESEA, you'll be at square one when posting your LFT or LFP thread.
For two, nobody cares in UGC because it's free. So many of our matches were full-time Pyro + Demoknight or full time Huntsman. The people that want to play UGC are also less committed to improving, as a whole. ESEA-O is not free, so if you want to throw, you're wasting money.
For three, you will get better by playing teams that are better than you, as long as your team doesn't get upset at losing and die. But if that is going to happen, it will still happen after you play a season of UGC, stomp, and go to ESEA, so just get it out of the way now.
For four, don't overestimate low Open players, they're pretty shit.[/quote]
On the flip side of this coin, just because you're playing in UGC doesn't mean you can't scrim ESEA open teams lol.
ComangliaOn the flip side of this coin, just because you're pleaying in UGC doesn't mean you can't scrim ESEA open teams lol.
Playing UGC and scrimming open teams won't help you with LFT thread experience or picking up teammates with the correct mindset.
It is cheaper though.
[quote=Comanglia]
On the flip side of this coin, just because you're pleaying in UGC doesn't mean you can't scrim ESEA open teams lol.[/quote]
Playing UGC and scrimming open teams won't help you with LFT thread experience or picking up teammates with the correct mindset.
It is cheaper though.
On the flip side of this coin, just because you're pleaying in UGC doesn't mean you can't scrim ESEA open teams lol.[/quote]
Playing UGC and scrimming open teams won't help you with LFT thread experience or picking up teammates with the correct mindset.
It is cheaper though.
Personal anecdote: before I ever played competitive in a league and was just learning comp through lobbies (lol) someone tried to pick me up as medic for their open team. At the time, I was playing lobbies with the desire to find a UGC HL team the following season, since I had read that HL was easier than 6s for pub players like myself.
I was thrown into a 5 night a week scrim schedule and team fights without realizing it was going to be for a paid league, with zero clue how to play 6s. I backed out pretty quickly, but tbh if I would have accepted that spot, I would have learned A TON. Instead, I formed a HL team and played HL for 4 seasons before switching to ESEA.
In the end, what really mattered was how much time I was willing to commit and if I found people I wanted to play with. That's really what it comes down to - you want to improve, do you want to play 2 nights a week? 7 nights a week? Do you know anyone who plays comp already that you might be able to join a team with or learn from?
UGC in the lower level divisions (iron->silver) still take playing 6s pretty seriously. They scrim, albeit significantly less than ESEA teams usually, and there's one match a week. ESEA low open is at the same level, but the teams mostly scrim 5 nights a week with two matches a week, a significantly larger commitment.
If you want to learn fast, develop your skills fast, and start your ESEA career, then join an open team. If you'd rather dip your toes first, try UGC.
Personal anecdote: before I ever played competitive in a league and was just learning comp through lobbies (lol) someone tried to pick me up as medic for their open team. At the time, I was playing lobbies with the desire to find a UGC HL team the following season, since I had read that HL was easier than 6s for pub players like myself.
I was thrown into a 5 night a week scrim schedule and team fights without realizing it was going to be for a paid league, with zero clue how to play 6s. I backed out pretty quickly, but tbh if I would have accepted that spot, I would have learned A TON. Instead, I formed a HL team and played HL for 4 seasons before switching to ESEA.
In the end, what really mattered was how much time I was willing to commit and if I found people I wanted to play with. That's really what it comes down to - you want to improve, do you want to play 2 nights a week? 7 nights a week? Do you know anyone who plays comp already that you might be able to join a team with or learn from?
UGC in the lower level divisions (iron->silver) still take playing 6s pretty seriously. They scrim, albeit significantly less than ESEA teams usually, and there's one match a week. ESEA low open is at the same level, but the teams mostly scrim 5 nights a week with two matches a week, a significantly larger commitment.
If you want to learn fast, develop your skills fast, and start your ESEA career, then join an open team. If you'd rather dip your toes first, try UGC.
I was thrown into a 5 night a week scrim schedule and team fights without realizing it was going to be for a paid league, with zero clue how to play 6s. I backed out pretty quickly, but tbh if I would have accepted that spot, I would have learned A TON. Instead, I formed a HL team and played HL for 4 seasons before switching to ESEA.
In the end, what really mattered was how much time I was willing to commit and if I found people I wanted to play with. That's really what it comes down to - you want to improve, do you want to play 2 nights a week? 7 nights a week? Do you know anyone who plays comp already that you might be able to join a team with or learn from?
UGC in the lower level divisions (iron->silver) still take playing 6s pretty seriously. They scrim, albeit significantly less than ESEA teams usually, and there's one match a week. ESEA low open is at the same level, but the teams mostly scrim 5 nights a week with two matches a week, a significantly larger commitment.
If you want to learn fast, develop your skills fast, and start your ESEA career, then join an open team. If you'd rather dip your toes first, try UGC.
everyone is like "play hl it's easier than 6s for pubbers to get into" or "it's too hard for pubbers to transition to competitive" but I didn't have a single issue learning competitive, play a couple of faceit pugs and mixchamp, find yourself a ugc steel team (not iron, iron is a shitfest) then move to open.
everyone is like "play hl it's easier than 6s for pubbers to get into" or "it's too hard for pubbers to transition to competitive" but I didn't have a single issue learning competitive, play a couple of faceit pugs and mixchamp, find yourself a ugc steel team (not iron, iron is a shitfest) then move to open.
Play your first season in Ugc steel. Don't bother with that iron crap. If you do well, move into silver the next season, or tryout for a low open team if you really learn the aspects of the 6's game. You could jump straight into Open, but I personally don't recommend it.
Play your first season in [b]Ugc steel.[/b] Don't bother with that iron crap. If you do well, move into silver the next season, or tryout for a low open team if you really learn the aspects of the 6's game. You could jump straight into Open, but I personally don't recommend it.
I think if you have previous experience playing on an actual team, be it other vidya games or maybe even something else, then I think going straight into Open is fine. If you don't quite have the grasp on how you mesh with people and how you deal with losing and having to face teams better than yours, then I would say taking your first season more relaxed and making sure you can learn to win and lose gracefully should probably be a priority.
Most UGC steel teams do take the game seriously, so they do try to scrim low open teams and do demo reviews and whatever, that's not the reason why people say that you improve faster in Open. The actual reason is that playing in Open as a relatively new player is a do or die situation. You're going up against players with 3x your experience (if not more), you are going to take a massive beating and an ego bruising, and if you survive that, then you learn a lot. The problem is that it's massive amounts of pressure and people often underestimate how well they can handle it.
I think if you have previous experience playing on an actual team, be it other vidya games or maybe even something else, then I think going straight into Open is fine. If you don't quite have the grasp on how you mesh with people and how you deal with losing and having to face teams better than yours, then I would say taking your first season more relaxed and making sure you can learn to win and lose gracefully should probably be a priority.
Most UGC steel teams do take the game seriously, so they do try to scrim low open teams and do demo reviews and whatever, that's not the reason why people say that you improve faster in Open. The actual reason is that playing in Open as a relatively new player is a do or die situation. You're going up against players with 3x your experience (if not more), you are going to take a massive beating and an ego bruising, and if you survive that, then you learn a lot. The problem is that it's massive amounts of pressure and people often underestimate how well they can handle it.
Most UGC steel teams do take the game seriously, so they do try to scrim low open teams and do demo reviews and whatever, that's not the reason why people say that you improve faster in Open. The actual reason is that playing in Open as a relatively new player is a do or die situation. You're going up against players with 3x your experience (if not more), you are going to take a massive beating and an ego bruising, and if you survive that, then you learn a lot. The problem is that it's massive amounts of pressure and people often underestimate how well they can handle it.
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