[quote=BurnCastle]What has this turned into...[/quote]

Don't mind them, things like this is are unfortunately very common on tf.tv, oretty much everyone here is very closeminded and can't stand anyone who dares to think something they don't agree with. Then they fight to death to earn the right to mate with women.

Can you please provide a screenshot of you playing after putting "net_graph 4" in console? If you were to have bad lerp, it would be one of the easiest problems to fix. Just want to cover all the easy cases first.

Also, I personally feel a significant difference between 30 and 60 ping, so maybe you should see if there are any servers with less latency to practice on.

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This is nothing new. I'm a Forum Regular on Steam's TF2 Forums, and things there are 10x worse.

I'll probably find the same player and record again to test out new net_graph settings and for you to see have I done any improvements.

[quote=CheesyMacgyver][quote=damneasy]People don't like losing, people like winning, means they will play to win. Doesn't matter if "omg you won't improve if you do it like that you are doing it wrong!!" Their attitude is better than yours because they will do everything to win which is a good attitude to have. Yeah maybe playing "gay" isn't the best way to improve but if you are better than them you would still beat them you are just using an excuse for losing. Most prem players play gay as fuck because that's how they actually play 6's too. Stop crying about people who play gay, rather focus on you getting better and beat them anyway.[/quote]

well said and id like add that most of playing gay isnt as bad practice as people meme about

counterjumping is a real thing that people do and you can be really bad at it and really good at it and its great to practice doing and practice playing against

shotgun denying is fucking sick hitscan practice and its not as all powerful as people think if you are getting fucked up by someone shotty denying hes probably better than you anyway and you need to learn how to ctap and strafe because you can make yourself hard af to hit and if he still is shitting on you then hes just aiming really well and at that point what are you complaining about?

playing super passive and sitting on badlands mid crates jumping on and off is good movement practice I dont do this often because I dont find it as fun but I should do it because I get directed from people sitting on lowground/far away from me a lot because I never practice it[/quote]
you are retarded

Guys, just stop. This is getting absolutely foolish. There are better places to fight about some random "unspoken" rules of gamemodes...