Just to calm people down I told Thalash clearly if he wants to discuss any points he raised to do it on the ETF2L forums or Discord. He has the option to discuss it with other admins not myself.
As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true. It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System which Permzilla got angry about because he wanted to reveal the information on Pirate radio a week later. I was not kicked for this as this happened 3 months prior to me leaving the admin team amd was settled internally.
I am disappointed Permzilla would lie about this detail to discredit me (see posts #64, #76 and #81) especially because both he and I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System at LAN prior to this. I have all the facts to back this up internally, admins are satisfied with this explanation and I want the league to move on.
By the way Nuze I think you are a great analyst.
Just to calm people down I told Thalash clearly if he wants to discuss any points he raised to do it on the ETF2L forums or Discord. He has the option to discuss it with other admins not myself.
As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true. It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System which Permzilla got angry about because he wanted to reveal the information on Pirate radio a week later. I was not kicked for this as this happened 3 months prior to me leaving the admin team amd was settled internally.
I am disappointed Permzilla would lie about this detail to discredit me (see posts #64, #76 and #81) especially because both he and I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System at LAN prior to this. I have all the facts to back this up internally, admins are satisfied with this explanation and I want the league to move on.
By the way Nuze I think you are a great analyst.
Is this drama just a play to create hype for the next se7en vs lowpander game? Cuz it's working, can't wait to watch it.
Is this drama just a play to create hype for the next se7en vs lowpander game? Cuz it's working, can't wait to watch it.
Definitely had nothing to do with pirate radio. Over two years shy of the mark.
Definitely had nothing to do with pirate radio. Over two years shy of the mark.
Hildreth
By the way Nuze I think you are a great analyst.
Not good enough BibleThump
On a real though I respect lowpander for being the only team I can recall that gave a decent attempt at breaking the meta and exploiting some of the actually impactful non standard mechanics in this game, everyone else seems to think it's just a meme but you outplayed a few prem teams this season and it's no coincidence. Keep it up hildog!
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By the way Nuze I think you are a great analyst.[/quote]
Not good enough BibleThump
On a real though I respect lowpander for being the only team I can recall that gave a decent attempt at breaking the meta and exploiting some of the actually impactful non standard mechanics in this game, everyone else seems to think it's just a meme but you outplayed a few prem teams this season and it's no coincidence. Keep it up hildog!
I'll likely be doing more EU write-ups wherever help is needed, so expect more news stuff soon :)
Now if only school gave me more time to write...
I'll likely be doing more EU write-ups wherever help is needed, so expect more news stuff soon :)
Now if only school gave me more time to write...
kaidusDefinitely had nothing to do with pirate radio. Over two years shy of the mark.
I meant Fully Charged EU not Pirate Radio, there have been several re-iterations of this name over the years. Look it up if you want it was Episode 20 I believe.
[quote=kaidus]Definitely had nothing to do with pirate radio. Over two years shy of the mark.[/quote]
I meant Fully Charged EU not Pirate Radio, there have been several re-iterations of this name over the years. Look it up if you want it was Episode 20 I believe.
HildrethkaidusDefinitely had nothing to do with pirate radio. Over two years shy of the mark.
I meant Fully Charged EU not Pirate Radio, there have been several re-iterations of this name over the years. Look it up if you want it was Episode 20 I believe.
It's right in the beginning of Episode 20, just checked. Not commenting on its relevance, but Hildreth does have the correct episode.
[quote=Hildreth][quote=kaidus]Definitely had nothing to do with pirate radio. Over two years shy of the mark.[/quote]
I meant Fully Charged EU not Pirate Radio, there have been several re-iterations of this name over the years. Look it up if you want it was Episode 20 I believe.[/quote]
It's right in the beginning of Episode 20, just checked. Not commenting on its relevance, but Hildreth does have the correct episode.
If #121 is true, mad disrespect for perm tbh
If #121 is true, mad disrespect for perm tbh
Hildreth
As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true. It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System which Permzilla got angry about because he wanted to reveal the information on Pirate radio a week later. I was not kicked for this as this happened 3 months prior to me leaving the admin team amd was settled internally.
I am disappointed Permzilla would lie about this detail to discredit me (see posts #64, #76 and #81) especially because both he and I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System at LAN prior to this. I have all the facts to back this up internally, admins are satisfied with this explanation and I want the league to move on.
What is this shit lol. I didn't want to go into specifics but whatever. The very "minor" detail was a complete document (very big it took me AGES) of all ETF2L's planned Swiss System changes written by myself, before any official announcement had been made. I was linked this document by someone who had been given it by someone else, that confirmed that you had given it to them. I am not naming this person because they were really embarrassed at the time and you know who it is anyway.
I was under the assumption that the Head Admins made the decision on why people were removed from the staff, which means myself and Sonny Black's opinion on this is the only one that matters. You were not removed instantly for this leaking incident but it was a large factor in your dismissal and the rest I won't go into as it is irrelevant in this situation. It was settled as much as "we know this has happened", but we were definitely not happy still.
I have no idea what you are talking about specifically, it was not a secret we were planning Swiss System (see a public thread posted by myself asking for feedback - http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-30613/ ). I did not leak anything about details of the swiss system - only my personal intent to see this through which was clearly public knowledge as seen by this thread.
How many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there!
I didn't intend for this to escalate to this point, but I don't want Hildreth brushing this aside unfairly.
[quote=Hildreth]
As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true. It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System which Permzilla got angry about because he wanted to reveal the information on Pirate radio a week later. I was not kicked for this as this happened 3 months prior to me leaving the admin team amd was settled internally.
I am disappointed Permzilla would lie about this detail to discredit me (see posts #64, #76 and #81) especially because both he and I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System at LAN prior to this. I have all the facts to back this up internally, admins are satisfied with this explanation and I want the league to move on.
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What is this shit lol. I didn't want to go into specifics but whatever. The very "minor" detail was a complete document (very big it took me AGES) of all ETF2L's planned Swiss System changes written by myself, before any official announcement had been made. I was linked this document by someone who had been given it by someone else, that confirmed that you had given it to them. I am not naming this person because they were really embarrassed at the time and you know who it is anyway.
I was under the assumption that the Head Admins made the decision on why people were removed from the staff, which means myself and Sonny Black's opinion on this is the only one that matters. You were not removed instantly for this leaking incident but it was a large factor in your dismissal and the rest I won't go into as it is irrelevant in this situation. It was settled as much as "we know this has happened", but we were definitely not happy still.
I have no idea what you are talking about specifically, it was not a secret we were planning Swiss System (see a public thread posted by myself asking for feedback - http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-30613/ ). I did not leak anything about details of the swiss system - only my personal intent to see this through which was clearly public knowledge as seen by this thread.
How many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there!
I didn't intend for this to escalate to this point, but I don't want Hildreth brushing this aside unfairly.
hildreth lying again?? NOT OK
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why doesn't someone just provide some fucking evidence instead of just saying "yeah this happened and i can provide evidence but i don't want to because x"
why doesn't someone just provide some fucking evidence instead of just saying "yeah this happened and i can provide evidence but i don't want to because x"
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hey go crayon u got them boy! shine this season!
hey go crayon u got them boy! shine this season!
Now I'm Very Angry And When I See ThalashEE On The Server I Will Kill Him.
Now I'm Very Angry And When I See ThalashEE On The Server I Will Kill Him.
dEAth CoMEs To YoU FiRSt.
dEAth CoMEs To YoU FiRSt.
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Daddy's Share Those Cummies
All I
Daddy's Share Those Cummies
All I
wtf shit site doesbt take phone emotes...
wtf shit site doesbt take phone emotes...
PermzillaHildreth
As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true. It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System which Permzilla got angry about because he wanted to reveal the information on Pirate radio a week later. I was not kicked for this as this happened 3 months prior to me leaving the admin team amd was settled internally.
I am disappointed Permzilla would lie about this detail to discredit me (see posts #64, #76 and #81) especially because both he and I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System at LAN prior to this. I have all the facts to back this up internally, admins are satisfied with this explanation and I want the league to move on.
What is this shit lol. I didn't want to go into specifics but whatever. The very "minor" detail was a complete document (very big it took me AGES) of all ETF2L's planned Swiss System changes written by myself, before any official announcement had been made. I was linked this document by someone who had been given it by someone else, that confirmed that you had given it to them. I am not naming this person because they were really embarrassed at the time and you know who it is anyway.
I was under the assumption that the Head Admins made the decision on why people were removed from the staff, which means myself and Sonny Black's opinion on this is the only one that matters. You were not removed instantly for this leaking incident but it was a large factor in your dismissal and the rest I won't go into as it is irrelevant in this situation. It was settled as much as "we know this has happened", but we were definitely not happy still.
I have no idea what you are talking about specifically, it was not a secret we were planning Swiss System (see a public thread posted by myself asking for feedback - http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-30613/ ). I did not leak anything about details of the swiss system - only my personal intent to see this through which was clearly public knowledge as seen by this thread.
How many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there!
I didn't intend for this to escalate to this point, but I don't want Hildreth brushing this aside unfairly.
Perhaps then you should have brought this up, because as much as you like to think you or Sonny actually had the guts to make a decision like kicking me, this isn't reality. It may be why you didn't want me back in when I asked Sonny again a couple of days after cooling off and apologized for our argument, but I wasn't kicked and you know it. You have only brought this up to discredit me, you didn't have to, I never discredited you like this on a personal level even though I could very easily.
The other stuff, I only need to tell you LAN is in summer and that thread is from November, the "leak" was in December, whatever you said at LAN to your friends involved mentioning the Swiss System and this was before it was known. I know leaking isn't the right thing to do but there are double standards and then there is you.
But despite this, we'd sorted it out at the time, a week later I was giving you advice on how to promote the Swiss System on Pirate Radio, check the VOD out at the bits you stumble to make good arguments and suddenly you read steam and your able to put a coherent argument together. You didn't thank me by the way.
I will for my part back down if you admit what you said earlier is a lie, mainly around how I left the admin team in Spring 2015. You might care about how the community views you on here which is why I guess you're so adamant to defend yourself, I don't, I can go on for a long time because I know I everything I posted here is true even the part where I admitted I leaked some info and lets be real, you may have worked hard on it and was important to you but it was innocuous. At least I am the one here that is honest enough to admit it.
At this point this conversation has no value except a public shitting contest.
[quote=Permzilla][quote=Hildreth]
As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true. It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System which Permzilla got angry about because he wanted to reveal the information on Pirate radio a week later. I was not kicked for this as this happened 3 months prior to me leaving the admin team amd was settled internally.
I am disappointed Permzilla would lie about this detail to discredit me (see posts #64, #76 and #81) especially because both he and I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System at LAN prior to this. I have all the facts to back this up internally, admins are satisfied with this explanation and I want the league to move on.
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What is this shit lol. I didn't want to go into specifics but whatever. The very "minor" detail was a complete document (very big it took me AGES) of all ETF2L's planned Swiss System changes written by myself, before any official announcement had been made. I was linked this document by someone who had been given it by someone else, that confirmed that you had given it to them. I am not naming this person because they were really embarrassed at the time and you know who it is anyway.
I was under the assumption that the Head Admins made the decision on why people were removed from the staff, which means myself and Sonny Black's opinion on this is the only one that matters. You were not removed instantly for this leaking incident but it was a large factor in your dismissal and the rest I won't go into as it is irrelevant in this situation. It was settled as much as "we know this has happened", but we were definitely not happy still.
I have no idea what you are talking about specifically, it was not a secret we were planning Swiss System (see a public thread posted by myself asking for feedback - http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-30613/ ). I did not leak anything about details of the swiss system - only my personal intent to see this through which was clearly public knowledge as seen by this thread.
How many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there!
[b]I didn't intend for this to escalate to this point, but I don't want Hildreth brushing this aside unfairly.[/b][/quote]
Perhaps then you should have brought this up, because as much as you like to think you or Sonny actually had the guts to make a decision like kicking me, this isn't reality. It may be why you didn't want me back in when I asked Sonny again a couple of days after cooling off and apologized for our argument, but I wasn't kicked and you know it. You have only brought this up to discredit me, you didn't have to, I never discredited you like this on a personal level even though I could very easily.
The other stuff, I only need to tell you LAN is in summer and that thread is from November, the "leak" was in December, whatever you said at LAN to your friends involved mentioning the Swiss System and this was before it was known. I know leaking isn't the right thing to do but there are double standards and then there is you.
But despite this, we'd sorted it out at the time, a week later I was giving you advice on how to promote the Swiss System on Pirate Radio, check the VOD out at the bits you stumble to make good arguments and suddenly you read steam and your able to put a coherent argument together. You didn't thank me by the way.
I will for my part back down if you admit what you said earlier is a lie, mainly around how I left the admin team in Spring 2015. You might care about how the community views you on here which is why I guess you're so adamant to defend yourself, I don't, I can go on for a long time because I know I everything I posted here is true even the part where I admitted I leaked some info and lets be real, you may have worked hard on it and was important to you but it was innocuous. At least I am the one here that is honest enough to admit it.
At this point this conversation has no value except a public shitting contest.
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I do not trust Hildreth, I have not for years. I don't think anyone should take his word without a considerable amount of salt. Many of you my not know or care who I am but I don't make these posts, I don't get involved usually if I don't feel I have to but some people in this thread think that he is a credible source and I am actually pretty worried that he has even been considered for the admin team, let alone given a trial.
Here's what I see here and how it relates to what I saw at the time and what I know now.
Thalashyou got kicked out of the ETF2L admin team?
Permzillai can confirm what thalash said
SonnyBlackI can confirm everything Thalash ever said in the past and everything he ever will say in the future.
PermzillaMuukiEngland Hildreth has also left the staff.
Obviously it just says "left the staff", it's not going to say "ETF2L are kicking this admin because they leaked stuff and we're pissed off" for the sake of PR?
What does that even mean, TF2 has been in the same shitty position for about 4 years
Makes sense to me.
HildrethThalashyou got kicked
All I did was post some facts
Some facts = A pastebin which had the entire news post copied
MuukiPermzillaObviously it just says "left the staff"
I asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything
HildrethI admitted I leaked some info
Hildreth is not to be trusted.
HildrethThalashMuukiHow did thalash come across this information
I only got informed about this incident today, and not 2½ years ago.
I had this information from the day I was sent the news post, by the person you sent it to.
HildrethI am not on trial here
You should be, I've heard copious amounts of bullshit come from you across multiple years.
Hildrethwell documented internally
Would that not have been documented by Sonny + Perm? The 2 who are currently backing up the fact that you leaked information?
nuzeThere is a clear difference. "He has no trust in you because of your past record" is Jon explaining the foundation of thalash's post - if hildreth did indeed leak information then thalash would be justified in not trusting him over discord.
This is important. Those who have been lied to by Hildreth or been shown that he is lying should call him out for it, especially when he thinks 3 years on, no one will remember him sharing admin information to impress a girl.
HildrethAs stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true.
Your word vs. 2 head admins that got rid of you.
Hildreth It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System
The whole of the news post copied in to a pastebin.
Hildrethwas settled internally.
By who other than Perm and Sonny?
HildrethI am disappointed Permzilla would lie
How many people will you call a liar?
HildrethI know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System ... prior to this.
Are you referring to an external writer proofreading the news post? Do you have any proof of this? For all the liars you're calling out, it'd be interesting to see you back ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THIS THREAD
HildrethI have all the facts to back this up internally
Ah yes, internally, suddenly everyone on the admin team who remembers your bullshit are gone and just now, you say that the proof is with the admin team. Bullshit. How come the internal knowledge of the head admins at the time is invalidated now that they don't have access to the forums? Have their minds been wiped?
PermzillaHow many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there!
Shocker.
HildrethI will for my part back down if you admit what you said earlier is a lie, mainly around how I left the admin team in Spring 2015.
MuukiI asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything
HildrethI admitted I leaked some info and lets be real
Why don't you discredit your shitposting friend so that he stops trying to redirect this conversation away from you being a lying piece of shit?
HildrethAt this point this conversation has no value except a public shitting contest.
Yeah and yours smells the worst. Before you ask I don't have chat logs of you saying things that you've gone back on, I don't have the memory for the amount of things I've heard you say at lans which are just completely and totally unfounded but this all has to stop. You're full of shit, stop twisting little pockets of information taken out of context when you quite clearly have been called out.
inb4: 1 part of this gets ripped apart, therefore invalidating it in Hildog's eyes
What about the rest?
inb4: Part of the cjerk, you're just lying to back them up, HHH's word > yours
I love most of the people I've met in this game, I do not attack the idiots, only the liars. Man idk how people get credibility in this community but I don't think I'm famous for stepping out of line.
Have fun everyone, enjoy my wall. Also, giving default positions to teams who have reformed always causes controversy and rarely, if ever, gets the highest quality of tf2.
I do not trust Hildreth, I have not for years. I don't think anyone should take his word without a considerable amount of salt. Many of you my not know or care who I am but I don't make these posts, I don't get involved usually if I don't feel I have to but some people in this thread think that he is a credible source and I am actually pretty worried that he has even been considered for the admin team, let alone given a trial.
Here's what I see here and how it relates to what I saw at the time and what I know now.
[quote=Thalash]you got kicked out of the ETF2L admin team?[/quote]
[quote=Permzilla]i can confirm what thalash said[/quote]
[quote=SonnyBlack]I can confirm everything Thalash ever said in the past and everything he ever will say in the future.[/quote]
[quote=Permzilla][quote=Muuki]England Hildreth has also left the staff.[/quote]
Obviously it just says "left the staff", it's not going to say "ETF2L are kicking this admin because they leaked stuff and we're pissed off" for the sake of PR?
What does that even mean, TF2 has been in the same shitty position for about 4 years[/quote]
Makes sense to me.
[quote=Hildreth][quote=Thalash]you got kicked[/quote]All I did was post some facts[/quote]
Some facts = A pastebin which had the entire news post copied
[quote=Muuki][quote=Permzilla]Obviously it just says "left the staff"[/quote]
I asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything[/quote]
[quote=Hildreth]I admitted I leaked some info[/quote]
Hildreth is not to be trusted.
[quote=Hildreth][quote=Thalash][quote=Muuki]How did thalash come across this information[/quote]
I only got informed about this incident today, and not 2½ years ago.[/quote] [/quote]
I had this information from the day I was sent the news post, by the person you sent it to.
[quote=Hildreth]I am not on trial here[/quote]
You should be, I've heard copious amounts of bullshit come from you across multiple years.
[quote=Hildreth]well documented internally[/quote]
Would that not have been documented by Sonny + Perm? The 2 who are currently backing up the fact that you leaked information?
[quote=nuze]There is a clear difference. "He has no trust in you because of your past record" is Jon explaining the foundation of thalash's post - if hildreth did indeed leak information then thalash would be justified in not trusting him over discord.[/quote]
This is important. Those who have been lied to by Hildreth or been shown that he is lying should call him out for it, especially when he thinks 3 years on, no one will remember him sharing admin information to impress a girl.
[quote=Hildreth]As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true.[/quote]
Your word vs. 2 head admins that got rid of you.
[quote=Hildreth] It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System[/quote]
The whole of the news post copied in to a pastebin.
[quote=Hildreth]was settled internally.[/quote]
By who other than Perm and Sonny?
[quote=Hildreth]I am disappointed Permzilla would lie[/quote]
How many people will you call a liar?
[quote=Hildreth]I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System ... prior to this.[/quote]
Are you referring to an external writer proofreading the news post? Do you have any proof of this? For all the liars you're calling out, it'd be interesting to see you back [b]ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THIS THREAD[/b]
[quote=Hildreth]I have all the facts to back this up internally[/quote]
Ah yes, internally, suddenly everyone on the admin team who remembers your bullshit are gone and just now, you say that the proof is with the admin team. Bullshit. How come the internal knowledge of the head admins at the time is invalidated now that they don't have access to the forums? Have their minds been wiped?
[quote=Permzilla]How many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there![/quote]
Shocker.
[quote=Hildreth]I will for my part back down if you admit what you said earlier is a lie, mainly around how I left the admin team in Spring 2015.[/quote]
[quote=Muuki]I asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything[/quote]
[quote=Hildreth]I admitted I leaked some info and lets be real[/quote]
Why don't you discredit your shitposting friend so that he stops trying to redirect this conversation away from you being a lying piece of shit?
[quote=Hildreth]At this point this conversation has no value except a public shitting contest.[/quote]
Yeah and yours smells the worst. Before you ask I don't have chat logs of you saying things that you've gone back on, I don't have the memory for the amount of things I've heard you say at lans which are just completely and totally unfounded but this all has to stop. You're full of shit, stop twisting little pockets of information taken out of context when you quite clearly have been called out.
inb4: 1 part of this gets ripped apart, therefore invalidating it in Hildog's eyes
What about the rest?
inb4: Part of the cjerk, you're just lying to back them up, HHH's word > yours
I love most of the people I've met in this game, I do not attack the idiots, only the liars. Man idk how people get credibility in this community but I don't think I'm famous for stepping out of line.
Have fun everyone, enjoy my wall. Also, giving default positions to teams who have reformed always causes controversy and rarely, if ever, gets the highest quality of tf2.
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Edit: I urge Stinson or Aoshi to come forward with the information regarding this argument, I say this in the wall of text but its a wall of text, so, you know...
GubbinsThalashyou got kicked out of the ETF2L admin team?
Permzillai can confirm what thalash said
going on perms word
SonnyBlackI can confirm everything Thalash ever said in the past and everything he ever will say in the future.
unsure if satire
PermzillaMuukiEngland Hildreth has also left the staff.
Obviously it just says "left the staff", it's not going to say "ETF2L are kicking this admin because they leaked stuff and we're pissed off" for the sake of PR?
What does that even mean, TF2 has been in the same shitty position for about 4 years
going on perms word
GubbinsHildrethThalashyou got kicked
All I did was post some facts
Some facts = A pastebin which had the entire news post copied
= Some facts
GubbinsMuukiPermzillaObviously it just says "left the staff"
I asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything
HildrethI admitted I leaked some info
Hildreth is not to be trusted.
Why? Because someone else posted something to defend Hildreth which is inconsistent to Hildreth admitting to leaking something? This could also be a misunderstanding, as Hildreth could have told Muuki that he didn't leak anything that hadn't been leaked before, or that he didn't get kicked for leaking, which would still remain consistent to Hildreth's arguments.
GubbinsThalashMuukiHow did thalash come across this information
I only got informed about this incident today, and not 2½ years ago.
I had this information from the day I was sent the news post, by the person you sent it to.
Completely irrelevant
GubbinsHildrethI am not on trial here
You should be, I've heard copious amounts of bullshit come from you across multiple years.
Again, completely irrelevant
GubbinsHildrethwell documented internally
Would that not have been documented by Sonny + Perm? The 2 who are currently backing up the fact that you leaked information?
I'm not sure what your argument is here, unless you're implying that Hildreth should leak the info regarding him leaking info.
GubbinsnuzeThere is a clear difference. "He has no trust in you because of your past record" is Jon explaining the foundation of thalash's post - if hildreth did indeed leak information then thalash would be justified in not trusting him over discord.
This is important. Those who have been lied to by Hildreth or been shown that he is lying should call him out for it, especially when he thinks 3 years on, no one will remember him sharing admin information to impress a girl.
Again, I don't have a clue what your argument actually is here, unless you're just looking for sources to back up your claims that Hildreth is a liar.
GubbinsHildrethAs stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true.
Your word vs. 2 head admins that got rid of you.
Its word vs word, no sources except the ones that ETF2L have, which I urge Stinson or Aoshi to come forward with.
GubbinsHildreth It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System
The whole of the news post copied in to a pastebin.
Hildreth maybe tried to play it down a bit here, I don't know and I can't be bothered finding the news post, but it certainly isn't inconsistent with what is known and it doesn't support any claims opposing him.
GubbinsHildrethwas settled internally.
By who other than Perm and Sonny?
Irrelevant.
GubbinsHildrethI am disappointed Permzilla would lie
How many people will you call a liar?
Irrelevant.
GubbinsHildrethI know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System ... prior to this.
Are you referring to an external writer proofreading the news post? Do you have any proof of this? For all the liars you're calling out, it'd be interesting to see you back ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THIS THREAD
Again, its word vs word, except from the etf2l documentation. Doesn't progress your argument any further.
GubbinsHildrethI have all the facts to back this up internally
Ah yes, internally, suddenly everyone on the admin team who remembers your bullshit are gone and just now, you say that the proof is with the admin team. Bullshit. How come the internal knowledge of the head admins at the time is invalidated now that they don't have access to the forums? Have their minds been wiped?
He has the evidence to back his argument up with, and you are trying to discredit his source because it isn't consistent to the word of the person he is arguing with.
GubbinsPermzillaHow many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there!
Shocker.
Again, irrelevant.
GubbinsHildrethI will for my part back down if you admit what you said earlier is a lie, mainly around how I left the admin team in Spring 2015.
MuukiI asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything
HildrethI admitted I leaked some info and lets be real
Why don't you discredit your shitposting friend so that he stops trying to redirect this conversation away from you being a lying piece of shit?
I covered this argument earlier, but I think Hildreth has bigger things to address than this right now.
GubbinsHildrethAt this point this conversation has no value except a public shitting contest.
Yeah and yours smells the worst. Before you ask I don't have chat logs of you saying things that you've gone back on, I don't have the memory for the amount of things I've heard you say at lans which are just completely and totally unfounded but this all has to stop. You're full of shit, stop twisting little pockets of information taken out of context when you quite clearly have been called out.
Post your sources please.
Gubbinsinb4: 1 part of this gets ripped apart, therefore invalidating it in Hildog's eyes
What about the rest?
Its pretty hard to respond to a wall of text this large, so you're making the argument that if you aren't able to refute every single one of your points, you can't argue back, which is nonsense.
Sorry for the wall of text, its due to the way that Gubbins presented the argument and then made the above point.
Edit: I urge Stinson or Aoshi to come forward with the information regarding this argument, I say this in the wall of text but its a wall of text, so, you know...
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Thalash]you got kicked out of the ETF2L admin team?[/quote]
[quote=Permzilla]i can confirm what thalash said[/quote]
[/quote]
going on perms word
[quote=SonnyBlack]I can confirm everything Thalash ever said in the past and everything he ever will say in the future.[/quote]
unsure if satire
[quote=Permzilla][quote=Muuki]England Hildreth has also left the staff.[/quote]
Obviously it just says "left the staff", it's not going to say "ETF2L are kicking this admin because they leaked stuff and we're pissed off" for the sake of PR?
What does that even mean, TF2 has been in the same shitty position for about 4 years[/quote]
going on perms word
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth][quote=Thalash]you got kicked[/quote]All I did was post some facts[/quote]
Some facts = A pastebin which had the entire news post copied
[/quote]
= Some facts
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Muuki][quote=Permzilla]Obviously it just says "left the staff"[/quote]
I asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything[/quote]
[quote=Hildreth]I admitted I leaked some info[/quote]
Hildreth is not to be trusted.
[/quote]
Why? Because someone else posted something to defend Hildreth which is inconsistent to Hildreth admitting to leaking something? This could also be a misunderstanding, as Hildreth could have told Muuki that he didn't leak anything that hadn't been leaked before, or that he didn't get kicked for leaking, which would still remain consistent to Hildreth's arguments.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Thalash][quote=Muuki]How did thalash come across this information[/quote]
I only got informed about this incident today, and not 2½ years ago.[/quote]
I had this information from the day I was sent the news post, by the person you sent it to.
[/quote]
Completely irrelevant
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]I am not on trial here[/quote]
You should be, I've heard copious amounts of bullshit come from you across multiple years.
[/quote]
Again, completely irrelevant
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]well documented internally[/quote]
Would that not have been documented by Sonny + Perm? The 2 who are currently backing up the fact that you leaked information?
[/quote]
I'm not sure what your argument is here, unless you're implying that Hildreth should leak the info regarding him leaking info.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=nuze]There is a clear difference. "He has no trust in you because of your past record" is Jon explaining the foundation of thalash's post - if hildreth did indeed leak information then thalash would be justified in not trusting him over discord.[/quote]
This is important. Those who have been lied to by Hildreth or been shown that he is lying should call him out for it, especially when he thinks 3 years on, no one will remember him sharing admin information to impress a girl.
[/quote]
Again, I don't have a clue what your argument actually is here, unless you're just looking for sources to back up your claims that Hildreth is a liar.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]As stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true.[/quote]
Your word vs. 2 head admins that got rid of you.
[/quote]
Its word vs word, no sources except the ones that ETF2L have, which I urge Stinson or Aoshi to come forward with.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth] It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System[/quote]
The whole of the news post copied in to a pastebin.
[/quote]
Hildreth maybe tried to play it down a bit here, I don't know and I can't be bothered finding the news post, but it certainly isn't inconsistent with what is known and it doesn't support any claims opposing him.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]was settled internally.[/quote]
By who other than Perm and Sonny?
[/quote]
Irrelevant.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]I am disappointed Permzilla would lie[/quote]
How many people will you call a liar?
[/quote]
Irrelevant.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]I know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System ... prior to this.[/quote]
Are you referring to an external writer proofreading the news post? Do you have any proof of this? For all the liars you're calling out, it'd be interesting to see you back [b]ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THIS THREAD[/b]
[/quote]
Again, its word vs word, except from the etf2l documentation. Doesn't progress your argument any further.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]I have all the facts to back this up internally[/quote]
Ah yes, internally, suddenly everyone on the admin team who remembers your bullshit are gone and just now, you say that the proof is with the admin team. Bullshit. How come the internal knowledge of the head admins at the time is invalidated now that they don't have access to the forums? Have their minds been wiped?
[/quote]
He has the evidence to back his argument up with, and you are trying to discredit his source because it isn't consistent to the word of the person he is arguing with.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Permzilla]How many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there![/quote]
Shocker.
[/quote]
Again, irrelevant.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]I will for my part back down if you admit what you said earlier is a lie, mainly around how I left the admin team in Spring 2015.[/quote]
[quote=Muuki]I asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything[/quote]
[quote=Hildreth]I admitted I leaked some info and lets be real[/quote]
Why don't you discredit your shitposting friend so that he stops trying to redirect this conversation away from you being a lying piece of shit?
[/quote]
I covered this argument earlier, but I think Hildreth has bigger things to address than this right now.
[quote=Gubbins]
[quote=Hildreth]At this point this conversation has no value except a public shitting contest.[/quote]
Yeah and yours smells the worst. Before you ask I don't have chat logs of you saying things that you've gone back on, I don't have the memory for the amount of things I've heard you say at lans which are just completely and totally unfounded but this all has to stop. You're full of shit, stop twisting little pockets of information taken out of context when you quite clearly have been called out.
[/quote]
Post your sources please.
[quote=Gubbins]
inb4: 1 part of this gets ripped apart, therefore invalidating it in Hildog's eyes
What about the rest?
[/quote]
Its pretty hard to respond to a wall of text this large, so you're making the argument that if you aren't able to refute every single one of your points, you can't argue back, which is nonsense.
Sorry for the wall of text, its due to the way that Gubbins presented the argument and then made the above point.
Hey crayon thanks for mercing for my team before it was really fun :)
I hope the next season of prem goes well for you!
Hey crayon thanks for mercing for my team before it was really fun :)
I hope the next season of prem goes well for you!