It's better than just throwing the game

ban them from valve tf2 majors

http://www.teamfortress.tv/42249/etf2l-s27-w7-arctic-foxes-vs-lego

Sure its bad if thats why they gave the default (which we dont have sufficient evidence to say conclusively) but like what can be done about this? Are they gonna punish players for giving a default loss rather than playing the game? Are teams not allowed to forfeit matches in ETF2L?

I feel bad for the unexpected guys but if you get to the stage where your playoff qualification depends on the result of other teams' games then you don't really have the right to complain about those factors outside your control - if you're good enough to be a playoff team it shouldn't be up to other teams at all (Lowpander also had a default loss against them despite not all of the roster agreeing on it and they qualified for playoffs all the same).

AF playing with 2 mercs and feeling offclassing when they afaik aren't continuing beyond this season vs a lego trying to qualify for playoffs - who do you think will win? Can you not understand AF not wanting to play this game when they have nothing to lose? Especially considering even if they did play they would probably lose 6-0 anyway because of mercs? If you were a player on a top team and you knew that there was a good chance of losing the next hour and a half of games and underperforming because of your main players being unavailable, wouldn't you consider giving a defwin if it doesn't affect your playoff spot? Or would you play expecting to lose and get tilted in the process?

I merced for them in a map of their warmup before the official and despite how demotivated everyone seemed they were still discussing whether or not to play, and this was days after the thaigrr clip in that vod. I'm not yet convinced that this is match fixing as the vod would suggest, after all, innocent until proven guilty.

edit: I should say, from what I've heard from Domo, they didn't make an attempt to reschedule before the game, so there might be substance to this, but this could also be because of other factors - again I don't think we can say anything conclusively.

why the fuck would thaigr wanna do that i don't understand
is he just an asshole or does he have a grudge against adysky's team

Raptor was away during our warmup games, so we decided to play with a merc, expecting Raptor to come back online later. (I was talking to Raptor 2 hours ago so i knew he wasn't dead)
Then on the first map Adam had some issues with his PC overheating and just completely died and timed out in our first game. At that point we were pretty much missing our entire combo (Feeling was playing medic because we couldn't find a medic to merc), but we still decided to keep playing the next map with a 2nd merc. During that game it was very clear that nobody on the team was really motivated to play anymore, considering we were basically playing with only half our main roster, it was understandable.

After that game nobody was really motivated to play the official anymore, we didn't perform very well so it would have been a waste of everyone's time. It's not fair to say that we gave them a default win so unexpected didn't make playoffs, there is a reason we were playing those warmup games in the first place. And i'm sure lego would have done the same if they were missing 3 of their main players.

but whats the explanation behind that twitch moment of thaigrr sayng he was trying to persuade you guys to def win just so unexpected wont make it to playoffs

toxic brit

Thaigrr never really tried to "persuade" us to not play that game. I can safely say that if we didn't have issues with our roster that day, we would have played that game either way. Everyone on the team was committed to play that game. We never had the intention to forfeit that game just so unexpected didn't get a spot in the playoffs.

fair enough

LOL

What I said on nations stream was purely just as a laugh with the people I sit on mumble with daily, I never once actually tried to persuade anyone on the team to not play the game. We turned up for our warmup expecting our full roster and as explained by DD and Feeling we had some changes and it wasn't good.

Yeah I have my opinions on people from their team as I'm sure other people do too but I would not maliciously go out of my way to deny playoffs. The fact we gave LEGO a default win has nothing to do with me or anyone on the team not wanting unexpected to make playoffs, it made no difference whether LEGO or unexpected made it to us.

Obviously I can see why they would be seriously annoyed with what has gone on and apologies to them for what I said no doubt that pissed them off even more, but anyone can ask people on my team or who I speak to no effort to deny them playoffs was made.

Your services are not required here Detective Wolsne.

However, I heard that there may be some new controversy in the Open Happenings Thread, maybe you should check it out and try to dig out a new case?

Has match fixing Gone Too Far?

http://etf2l.org/matches/34076/

never forget

smfh

# 17
I'm out of the loop, could someone explain ?

The game was played originally and smooth criminals used 3 mercs (not allowed) so the admins gave a default win to Punchline . Originally the result was 1 map each. So both teams decided to throw a map each and force a 3-3 match, as well as using mercs like atmo who had only ever played div6 officials before this just for a laugh.

So the admins decided that this was fraud attempt (clearly it was), and both teams got major warnings and the original default win was restored.