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CollaideniveriI can't believe how many autists are trying to spread their nutritional dogma on a joke thread. The site is based around a hobby which involves sitting in front of a computer for hours ffs.And I can't believe the way you hand-wave away sources and arguments just to fit your own narrative.

k dude take a class in endocrinology and tell me more about how cholesterol is poison

[quote=Collaide][quote=niveri]I can't believe how many autists are trying to spread their nutritional dogma on a joke thread. The site is based around a hobby which involves sitting in front of a computer for hours ffs.[/quote]
And I can't believe the way you hand-wave away sources and arguments just to fit your own narrative.[/quote]
k dude take a class in endocrinology and tell me more about how cholesterol is poison
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EDIT: Re-wrote the entire post.

niveri"If I eat a diet with lots eggs I have an increased chance of developing atherosclerosis"

You're right

niveri"Therefore I will consume ZERO cholesterol and reap the health benefits of not being able to naturally produce adequate amounts of sex hormones."

Are you saying the only health benefits of eggs is to make up for inadequate levels of sex hormones? If not, then why don't you mention them too, along with citations.
1) Citation needed
2) If you have inadequate levels of sex hormones is there not a solution you're missing here...? You know, getting hormones prescribed to you.
3) Do most people have inadequat levels of sex hormones? If so, citation needed, if not, why is it still nutricious and why are you defending it?

niveriThanks for warning us all about how eating eggs is tantamount to rolling around in raw sewage while smoking.

Do you really need a hyperbole to try and discredit my arguments? Why can't you just make an argument, present your sources and your facts, or refute mine?

niverik dude take a class in endocrinology and tell me more about how cholesterol is poison

Why do I have to take a class in endocrinology to make an argument? Isn't linking my sources enough? Which sources have you linked for the claims you made?

EDIT: Re-wrote the entire post.

[quote=niveri]"If I eat a diet with lots eggs I have an increased chance of developing atherosclerosis"[/quote]
You're right
[quote=niveri]"Therefore I will consume ZERO cholesterol and reap the health benefits of not being able to naturally produce adequate amounts of sex hormones."[/quote]
Are you saying the only health benefits of eggs is to make up for inadequate levels of sex hormones? If not, then why don't you mention them too, along with citations.
1) Citation needed
2) If you have inadequate levels of sex hormones is there not a solution you're missing here...? You know, getting hormones prescribed to you.
3) Do most people have inadequat levels of sex hormones? If so, citation needed, if not, why is it still nutricious and why are you defending it?
[quote=niveri]Thanks for warning us all about how eating eggs is tantamount to rolling around in raw sewage while smoking.[/quote]
Do you really need a hyperbole to try and discredit my arguments? Why can't you just make an argument, present your sources and your facts, [b]or refute mine?[/b]
[quote=niveri]k dude take a class in endocrinology and tell me more about how cholesterol is poison[/quote]
Why do I have to take a class in endocrinology to make an argument? Isn't linking my sources enough? [b]Which sources have you linked for the claims you made?[/b]
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yo guys dont forget to check out my twitter for healthy pasta dinners @ https://twitter.com/pastabrain
stay healthy

yo guys dont forget to check out my twitter for healthy pasta dinners @ https://twitter.com/pastabrain
stay healthy
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gatsanyo guys dont forget to check out my twitter for healthy pasta dinners @ https://twitter.com/pastabrain
stay healthy

wait a second... thats not an Italian flag...

[quote=gatsan]yo guys dont forget to check out my twitter for healthy pasta dinners @ https://twitter.com/pastabrain
stay healthy[/quote]
wait a second... thats not an Italian flag...
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Beelthazusgatsanyo guys dont forget to check out my twitter for healthy pasta dinners @ https://twitter.com/pastabrain
stay healthy
wait a second... thats not an Italian flag...

its pasta made from potato starch (i think that exists)

[quote=Beelthazus][quote=gatsan]yo guys dont forget to check out my twitter for healthy pasta dinners @ https://twitter.com/pastabrain
stay healthy[/quote]
wait a second... thats not an Italian flag...[/quote]

its pasta made from potato starch (i think that exists)
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i cant believe people are getting so mad in this thread

i cant believe people are getting so mad in this thread
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CollaideComangliaSaturated fat isn't that bad for you, trans-fat is the only fat that you need to avoid wholesale.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539

Quote without context, nice. Basically my point was Saturated Fats > Sugar and other refined Carbs. NOT that saturated fat wasn't bad for you at all.

CollaideComangliaSide note: Dairy and Eggs also contain significant levels of cholesterol but it's a mixed bag of LDL and HDL due to how the human body breaks down the food. Some studies suggest that at least in eggs that they have a slight net positive affect on your body for cholesterol. ReferenceHere is the reason I believe otherwise:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/circulationaha/108/22/2757.full.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/313701
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663974/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/

Over half your sources have nothing related to eggs please.

So starting from the top.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618 = LDL is bad for and here's the process of why. (nobody disagrees)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684 = Relevant refrence that refutes my claim and source (though my source is more recent)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539 = study comparing a diet high in saturated fat to a died high in polyunsaturated (again I never claimed saturated fat was better than unsaturated)
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/circulationaha/108/22/2757.full.pdf = LDL is bad, alot more to be said but that's the gist of it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/313701 = "Diet and serum cholesterol: do zero correlations negate the relationship?" How is this related to eggs this about diets relationship to cholesterol levels in a general sense.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437 = more nonrelevant sources to this discussion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426 = LDL is bad, recommended levels of LDL. (nothing about diet nonrelevant)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/ = The only mention of egg being bad is when the fed ONLY the yolk and not the egg whites to herbivores they list Monkey and Rabbits, and they couldn't repeat the ill effects in Carnivores they list Tigers, Lions, and dogs. Humans do technically behave the same as herbivores in this study but again this measures eating only the egg yolk which forgoes 80% of the unsatured fat in an egg, and isn't typical of when people do eat eggs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663974/ = How blood lipids and cholesterol are correlative to heart disease (no mention of egg)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/ = Meta-Analysis that includes one of the earlier references you linked. Basically says Saturated Fats < Monounsaturated Fats < Complex Carbohydrates (ex. Oats, Whole Grain Wheat, etc) < Polyunsaturated Fats

It's like you went to this website searched for "Eggs + Cholesterol" and then posted the top 10 results regardless of how relevant they were.

Here's a good RELEVANT source
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/eggs/

"Research on moderate egg consumption in two large prospective cohort studies (nearly 40,000 men and over 80,000 women) found that up to one egg per day is not associated with increased heart disease risk in healthy individuals. [2]"

Now it does also say having 3 eggs a day MAY lead to higher risk of heart disease but who the fuck eats 3 eggs a day, and wasn't something I suggested anyone should do on a daily basis.

Another Relevant source
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/27710205/
"people who eat an average of one egg a day have a 12 percent lower risk for stroke compared with those who eat fewer eggs."
"Overall, summary associations show no clear association between egg intake and increased or decreased risk of Coronary Heart Disease."

[quote=Collaide][quote=Comanglia]Saturated fat isn't that bad for you, trans-fat is the only fat that you need to avoid wholesale.[/quote]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539
[/quote]
Quote without context, nice. Basically my point was Saturated Fats > Sugar and other refined Carbs. NOT that saturated fat wasn't bad for you at all.

[quote=Collaide][quote=Comanglia]Side note: Dairy and Eggs also contain significant levels of cholesterol but it's a mixed bag of LDL and HDL due to how the human body breaks down the food. Some studies suggest that at least in eggs that they have a slight net positive affect on your body for cholesterol. [url=https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/food-thought/reevaluating-eggs-cholesterol-risks]Reference[/url][/quote]
Here is the reason I believe otherwise:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/circulationaha/108/22/2757.full.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/313701
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663974/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/[/quote]

Over half your sources have nothing related to eggs please.

So starting from the top.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618 = LDL is bad for and here's the process of why. (nobody disagrees)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684 = Relevant refrence that refutes my claim and source (though my source is more recent)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539 = study comparing a diet high in saturated fat to a died high in polyunsaturated (again I never claimed saturated fat was better than unsaturated)
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/circulationaha/108/22/2757.full.pdf = LDL is bad, alot more to be said but that's the gist of it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/313701 = "Diet and serum cholesterol: do zero correlations negate the relationship?" How is this related to eggs this about diets relationship to cholesterol levels in a general sense.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437 = more nonrelevant sources to this discussion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426 = LDL is bad, recommended levels of LDL. (nothing about diet nonrelevant)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/ = The only mention of egg being bad is when the fed ONLY the yolk and not the egg whites to herbivores they list Monkey and Rabbits, and they couldn't repeat the ill effects in Carnivores they list Tigers, Lions, and dogs. Humans do technically behave the same as herbivores in this study but again this measures eating only the egg yolk which forgoes 80% of the unsatured fat in an egg, and isn't typical of when people do eat eggs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663974/ = How blood lipids and cholesterol are correlative to heart disease (no mention of egg)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/ = Meta-Analysis that includes one of the earlier references you linked. Basically says Saturated Fats < Monounsaturated Fats < Complex Carbohydrates (ex. Oats, Whole Grain Wheat, etc) < Polyunsaturated Fats

It's like you went to this website searched for "Eggs + Cholesterol" and then posted the top 10 results regardless of how relevant they were.

Here's a good RELEVANT source
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/eggs/

"Research on moderate egg consumption in two large prospective cohort studies (nearly 40,000 men and over 80,000 women) found that up to one egg per day is not associated with increased heart disease risk in healthy individuals. [2]"

Now it does also say having 3 eggs a day MAY lead to higher risk of heart disease but who the fuck eats 3 eggs a day, and wasn't something I suggested anyone should do on a daily basis.

Another Relevant source
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/27710205/
"people who eat an average of one egg a day have a 12 percent lower risk for stroke compared with those who eat fewer eggs."
"Overall, summary associations show no clear association between egg intake and increased or decreased risk of Coronary Heart Disease."
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Collaide

Cool, nobodies gonna take your advice though even if you win a vapid online argument.

[quote=Collaide][/quote]
Cool, nobodies gonna take your advice though even if you win a vapid online argument.
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