Here's a new Electro house song I can't get out of my head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaikPv034Hc

you guys sure like house, you would absolutely hate the genres of electronic music that i dabble obsess over ;)

kuza

trance/dubstep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_iyK53E_0Q

So I found this song a few years ago when I first got into hard techno / hard style / jump style. I haven't been able to remember the artist till today. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXf0IsM-6W0

Sick sets dude!

I used to be a pretty big PVD fan, my wife even brought me to a party with him in NYC about 7 years ago, but the song you posted isn't my cup of tea. Starting at 30 second I find that just breaks the flow of the song. I do like a good breakdown in the middle of a house/techno/trance track, but mainly when it's just breaks.

haha. i love that part.

I am really impressed, damn. Impressed and jealous.

@OP I really liked listening to your sets. Some of the transitions between songs were a bit rough, but overall it had a really nice groove and I enjoyed listening to it.

Techniik you shitlord you didn't tell me you uploaded these anywhere ;-;

Thanks man! I couldnt help but notice that Ember is in Anaheim? I was born in Anaheim :D! Still living in Cali in Upland. Moving to vegas next week though :o

I was a nervous wreck haha, but thanks man I appreciate it!

I TOLD YOU IN MUMBLE YOU FUCKLE

Yea dude, my cousin hooked it up with a gig at Ember and I couldn't thank him enough!
Dude if you're going to Vegas you're gonna be withing walking distance of EDC :D

Dam dude I should have checked this out earlier!
Dirty Dutch bass is my fucking home dude.
I first started playing Dutch House and Electro House when I did small house parties haha

but they ARE dubstep. that's how the genre started. there is no trace of dub reggae subtlety in the music of skrillex et al. to the mind of most, they would not be dubstep.

also i don't get the whole 'breaks music' thing, you may have to expand on that because it borders incoherence. Unless you mean that you specifically can't dance to it, that seems odd. why claim the music is broken if you don't get it?

I like how you use terms like "borders on incoherence" and I "don't get it" because you don't like me saying the music is broken or you don't understand me, again. Maybe this time you'll try to read what I'm saying properly.

That PVD track vile listed is a good example where at the 30 second mark the grind that comes in, that makes it dubstep, does not flow with the rest of the music. The whole dubstep part of the music changes the speed of the melody. You said yourself the ones you list sound nothing like "skrillex" so take the sound you're talking about, is the sound I'm talking about, breaks the fucking song. I like my music to flow, even during the break down.

Here's how I feel about it as the old man I am now;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kod1q39ddE

ya I love it, I play a lot of this.

How do you 'break musc'? It's not a physical thing. It doesn't have rules (see C20th Classical). it can't break.

you break the flow, it's like when a DJ messes up a transition and starts a train wreck, it sounds like he's breaking the music because it's off beat.

I'm sorry it's so hard to understand, maybe someone else can explain it better for you. I don't see why you're so disturbed because I don't like your favorite genre of music. it's like you think that if you manage to break down my reasoning I'll like it all of a sudden. It sounds like fking crap to me, and that's not going to change. I didn't like jungle 20 years ago, just like I don't like dubstep now.

edit: yes it can and should have some rules. Music without rules breaks it's own melody and flow all the time. That's why classical isn't very good music to dance too.

edit#2: Have you ever watched people dance to house and then watch people dance to dub step? the group dancing to house are all dancing together to the beat. The group dancing to dubstep are all over the place, some people dancing to the base, some to the drum beat, some to the high hats. Then half of them don't know if they should move their legs to the beat and their arms to the fucked up melody. It's a real mess, sorry if this describes you and sounds insulting.

I can understand breaking the flow and that's a perfectly acceptable objection to have. Of course, people may look for different things, but hey! music is subjective so it's all good. I personally don't believe dubstep breaks the flow, and have spent many nights happily dancing to it, but we're all individuals and I happily accept it's not for everyone.

What does disturb me is your attempt to objectify it 'breaking' and 'adding rules'. When you add rules you very quickly delimit the amount one can innovate, something one must agree is against the spirit of progression (whether progression is positive of negative is your call). Villalobos constantly plays with our conceptions of what techno is, and I think most djs would be greatful for it (see the inclusion of 'Easy Lee' on many many mixes)

I think favouring rules is fine if one accepts that dance and melody are important, but for others they are not. Akufen's My Way is very conceptual and takes dance music ideas and samples and does really interesting things (in my opinion) with them.

Also these rigid rules really narrow down the creations of new subgenres, and that's fine if you want to dance to the same, homogenous music forever. I, for one, am happy that such new and innovating genres jump up and play with the rules and preconceptions of what dance music should be.

Also, why is it bad that everyone isn't dancing in the same way? It's surely a question of preference. That said only certain kinds of dubstep are heavy on the polyrythms (ie brostep), but a lot of them are much more linear. If I was to jump to a conclusion, it would be that the dubstep you have been exposed to isn't representative of the genre as a whole.

I don't want to stifle progression or artistic exploration, but everything needs some rules. Not rules put down by an oppressor, rules we add because they make things sounds better, smoother, flowing. If it's just music to listen too, then it can break more rules, but the dubstep I'm exposed too is in your face grinding off beat stuff that seems to try to be dance music.

But I agree, I listen to a lot of electronic music that's not just for dancing and it's good when it breaks a few rules. However, I have one golden rule for music I like, don't break the flow. Mainly because my mind is dancing while I listen to it. So maybe you're right, maybe I'm not exposed to the dubstep you are, but everything anyone has linked was just not good listening for me. Even the minimal stuff someone posted on the previous page isn't something I would sit around and listen too in my free time.

dubstep is just atrocious on every level, its watered down in every aspect, it doesn't have any timeless tracks that inspire, people aren't gonna look back on and say wow that really set the bar for a whole new level of electronic music. it's a copy of a copy of a copy, it's just a new trend for this generation to cling to and i'm sure it will fade away with all the other trendy genres that come and go.

Everything needs rules? I am afraid I don't get on board with that. What rules are put down depends on what you want from music, and what you and I want are different, therefore we will never agree on rules. Also, insistence on rules kinda flies in the face of what post modernism has achieved, unless your working on some odd reading of the oulipo movement.

You certainly can't expect your golden rule to be universal. That's just arrogance.

If you don't like it, that's fine! But don't insist that it is a genre that's not worth bothering with, especially when you don't know a great deal about it. There is certainly value in dubstep, the question is whether it is value that appeals to your tastes.

Also, I have been known to feed trolls in the past, but you can do better than that dfy ;)

i can assure you i'm not trying to get you worked up, this is truly how i feel about said genre, i'm very passionate about hardcore/breakcore/speedcore etc i really like the aggressive aspects of electronic music that is more european than anything (NY as well I.E industrial strength). i am quite envious of those that have the opportunity to attend festivals such as dominator, thunderdome(RIP), hardcore4life, defqon etc and i'm not biased at all in terms of electronic music that isn't aggressive. but honestly here in the states dubstep is just a trendy fad right now, and its just awful in commercial aspects as well. so when people start to bash gabber and other elements of aggressive music i just cant help but to laugh when they take dubstep so seriously it just shows ignorance in not knowing the roots of music at all

Are you just trying to be defiant or edgy? Why can't things we enjoy have some rules? Just like in 6's TF2 how we only allow 1 demo and 1 medic. In my mind, those are good rules. They don't ruin the game, they make it a style, 6's. Different styles follow different rules. I'd say 99% of all music follows some rules and are all better for it. This isn't abstract art, fartting paint onto a canvas.

Well, in that case dfy, I completely disagree with you. I don't really see much point in engaging you in discussion, because it appears to me that you have not made an effort to explore the genre in any great detail. I think one could quite confidently assert that Burial is easily one of the greatest electronic musicians of the last 10 years.

I am neither defiant nor edgy. My aesthetics are different from yours, and I am afraid you have to accept that. You can put rules on your music, but you can't put rules on other people's. You can't tell others how to enjoy music.

This is pretty damn good. Great set!

I like all of them. The mixes flow together pretty well. And I would also agree that your mixes are not "dubstep" but electric chill dance mixes. Nice job. I'll be looking for more from you in the future. If you have a youtube I would like to subscribe to it as well if you put out content there. Especially if you time-stamp what composers are being played at what time.

Again, nice job.

rofl i never expected defy to like anything like hardcore

EDM is about as general a definition as rock is these days

fuck trap though, almost as annoying as dubstep