jediflamaster banned for life on etf2l

#61

jediflamaster

-27 Frags – +

AnaThonhow can this pyro guy go on about how he's standing by his values and style, being true to himself when all he's done is reposted a meme for attention i'm dyingggg

Mge me.

[quote=AnaThon]how can this pyro guy go on about how he's standing by his values and style, being true to himself when all he's done is reposted a meme for attention i'm dyingggg[/quote]
Mge me.

#62

Aubriac

12 Frags – +

Off topic, but reading sheepy's comment about Pred (the croatian guy who got banned) when he calls him pr3d (old lithuanian sniper) just made me chuckle.

#63

niko

5 Frags – +

i know my opinion will never matter BUT and this is a big BUT, he shouldn't have gotten banned a warning would do just fine

#64

funhaver1998

12 Frags – +

What the fuck is a Bluebunny and why are people being mean to it

#65

scrambled

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This is just rumour I heard, but wasn't the reason that this blown up at all in the first place because Stinson had a romantic interest in the Bluebunny?

If so, seems kinda shitty for a head admin to take sides in this kind of thing. :/

This is just rumour I heard, but wasn't the reason that this blown up at all in the first place because Stinson had a romantic interest in the Bluebunny?

If so, seems kinda shitty for a head admin to take sides in this kind of thing. :/

#66

sac

18 Frags – +

how to create retarded "drama" by deciding to pîck a dung heap as your hill to die on. Or I guess someone feels he's too washed up to even play pyro properly and decided to go out with a "bang' instead of getting humiliated.. remember guys, unlike all other bans discussed, this one is pretty much self imposed. So instead lets celebrate Jediflamaster legacy with one of his gem copypasta material:

Quoted from Jedi(fla)master

And, at the risk of confirming that I am in fact a robot, I’d let Joseph Stalin duke it out against Adolf Hitler in ETF2L. I really don’t see how being a decent person is a prerequisite for being good at TF2, and being good at TF2 is what makes people succeed in ETF2L. I understand you want Adolf Hitler to answer for what he’s done, but ETF2L doesn’t need to cripple itself in order to do that, because it’s not their job. Besides, wouldn’t it be a much more glorious, beautiful victory, to win an official against him running a pyro in 6v6 and say “How’s that for a holocaust, asshole?”?

how to create retarded "drama" by deciding to pîck a dung heap as your hill to die on. Or I guess someone feels he's too washed up to even play pyro properly and decided to go out with a "bang' instead of getting humiliated.. remember guys, unlike all other bans discussed, this one is pretty much self imposed. So instead lets celebrate Jediflamaster legacy with one of his gem copypasta material:

[quote]Quoted from Jedi(fla)master

And, at the risk of confirming that I am in fact a robot, I’d let Joseph Stalin duke it out against Adolf Hitler in ETF2L. I really don’t see how being a decent person is a prerequisite for being good at TF2, and being good at TF2 is what makes people succeed in ETF2L. I understand you want Adolf Hitler to answer for what he’s done, but ETF2L doesn’t need to cripple itself in order to do that, because it’s not their job. Besides, wouldn’t it be a much more glorious, beautiful victory, to win an official against him running a pyro in 6v6 and say “How’s that for a holocaust, asshole?”?[/quote]

#67

Redux

3 Frags – +

if you are mean to girls online you will be permanently banned

#68

BumFreeze

45 Frags – +

he literally went to the admins and asked to be banned and then got banned
lock this thread

#69

pasko

-2 Frags – +

ballzyThis is just rumour I heard, but wasn't the reason that this blown up at all in the first place because Stinson had a romantic interest in the Bluebunny?

If so, seems kinda shitty for a head admin to take sides in this kind of thing. :/

lmfao white knight

[quote=ballzy]This is just rumour I heard, but wasn't the reason that this blown up at all in the first place because Stinson had a romantic interest in the Bluebunny?

If so, seems kinda shitty for a head admin to take sides in this kind of thing. :/[/quote]

lmfao white knight

#70

qbown

4 Frags – +

BumFreezehe literally went to the admins and asked to be banned and then got banned
lock this thread

[quote=BumFreeze]he literally went to the admins and asked to be banned and then got banned
lock this thread[/quote]

#71

Twiggy

5 Frags – +

Stinson_Out

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gemmthe video was forced to be taken down because it represents/perpetuates the abuse that was systematically given by a group to this person

purposefully reuploading the video directly against an admin's word should be bannable [...] jediflamasterBtw the ban isn't explicitly permanent. It's until I take the video down [...]
^These quotes are true.
Just to clarify a couple of things:

Jedi approached us, straight up asking if he would get banned if he re-uploaded this video, which was part of a harassment case from a couple of weeks back. I told him that he will very likely get banned, which he responded with: "I'll take my chances, the video is up btw." and then linked me the video in question.
He got told by another head admin (after we took quite some time to think about this- we did not ban him the next day) that he will be banned until he takes this video down.

So in summary: he was warned and well aware that his action could be punished with a ban, he got banned and he has the power to lift his own ban. By no means is this a permanent ban that we forced upon anyone. He chose to ignore our warning and he chooses to stay banned.

Cheers, DCS | ETF2L.org

So what about this quote :

coyoAs far as I'm aware there wasn't any "abuse" towards bluebunny in the first place, people called her bad she called them bad and that should have been the end of it. Instead she ran to the admins and played the victim. The video was made by someone who wasn't even involved directly just found the situation funny and made a shitty meme video about it.

Is it true? Where can we consult the "ban case"?

I don't disagree with you banning him for infringing a admin judgment, I disagree with the judgment itself, if this video is the only offense that triggered that judgment.

Cyanic gets it perfectly :

Cyanicwhen people make themselves known to be complete morons (something that jediflamaster has done on many occasions) you don't need to ban them - the community will naturally become hostile to them anyway.

If the admins had to make a "morons not allowed" rule on etf2l we could argue against banning half the players

[quote=Stinson_Out][spoiler][quote=gemm]the video was forced to be taken down because it represents/perpetuates the abuse that was systematically given by a group to this person

purposefully reuploading the video directly against an admin's word should be bannable [...] [/quote]

[quote=jediflamaster]Btw the ban isn't explicitly permanent. It's until I take the video down [...][/quote]

^These quotes are true.
Just to clarify a couple of things:

Jedi approached us, straight up asking if he would get banned if he re-uploaded this video, which was part of a harassment case from a couple of weeks back. I told him that he will very likely get banned, which he responded with: "I'll take my chances, the video is up btw." and then linked me the video in question.
He got told by another head admin (after we took quite some time to think about this- we did not ban him the next day) that he will be banned until he takes this video down.

So in summary: he was warned and well aware that his action could be punished with a ban, he got banned and he has the power to lift his own ban. By no means is this a permanent ban that we forced upon anyone. He chose to ignore our warning and he chooses to stay banned.

Cheers, DCS | ETF2L.org[/spoiler][/quote]

So what about this quote :
[quote=coyo]As far as I'm aware there wasn't any "abuse" towards bluebunny in the first place, people called her bad she called them bad and that should have been the end of it. Instead she ran to the admins and played the victim. The video was made by someone who wasn't even involved directly just found the situation funny and made a shitty meme video about it.[/quote]

Is it true? Where can we consult the "ban case"?

I don't disagree with you banning him for infringing a admin judgment, I disagree with the judgment itself, if this video is the only offense that triggered that judgment.

Cyanic gets it perfectly :
[quote=Cyanic]when people make themselves known to be complete morons (something that jediflamaster has done on many occasions) you don't need to ban them - the community will naturally become hostile to them anyway.[/quote]
If the admins had to make a "morons not allowed" rule on etf2l we could argue against banning half the players

#72

captainunderpants

5 Frags – +

Perma pyro not allowed to play anymore? Sounds good to me

#73

Fire

17 Frags – +

x

#74

jediflamaster

-3 Frags – +

FireHonestly if you approach an admin asking whether something will get you banned, then you do that thing just to get banned I don't see a problem.
You can create theoretical situations as much as you want, it's obvious that he uploaded the video just to get banned in this case, so it deserves him well.
Are we gonna complain about sonny black blacklisting smzi temporarily when he asked for it as well?

It is pretty easy to just assume what my motivation is, isn't it? Who cares that I literally said why I did it on the previous page.

[quote=Fire]Honestly if you approach an admin asking whether something will get you banned, then you do that thing just to get banned I don't see a problem.
You can create theoretical situations as much as you want, it's obvious that he uploaded the video just to get banned in this case, so it deserves him well.
Are we gonna complain about sonny black blacklisting smzi temporarily when he asked for it as well?[/quote]
It is pretty easy to just assume what my motivation is, isn't it? Who cares that I literally said why I did it on the previous page.

#75

Redux

17 Frags – +

jedimaster does it for the PEOPLE.

#76

YeeHaw

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Cyanicdon't understand this. when people make themselves known to be complete morons (something that jediflamaster has done on many occasions) you don't need to ban them - the community will naturally become hostile to them anyway.

and yet mak is more popular than ever

[quote=Cyanic]don't understand this. when people make themselves known to be complete morons (something that jediflamaster has done on many occasions) you don't need to ban them - the community will naturally become hostile to them anyway.[/quote]
and yet mak is more popular than ever

#77

strazyyy

-3 Frags – +

cringe kids

#78

Mak

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YeeHawand yet mak is more popular than ever

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AN66SAzKdMZoC_euv3zkmeJkrsTrEo1hP_8IS29cOw=s900-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no

[quote=YeeHaw]and yet mak is more popular than ever[/quote]

[img]https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AN66SAzKdMZoC_euv3zkmeJkrsTrEo1hP_8IS29cOw=s900-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no[/img]

#79

Pred

-27 Frags – +

ETF2L admins are bent? Nothing new under the sun.

#80

Hildreth

14 Frags – +

Good stuff, hope ETF2L Perma ban all Pyro mains, except Goreston.

#81

jediflamaster

2 Frags – +

Here's a quick summary of what happenned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sMx8Rn2Fk8

#82

Tezaen

4 Frags – +

kurwa

#83

Fire

-4 Frags – +

x

#84

Nursey

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Firehere and your whole mentality of 'etf2l should only care about skill' is ridiculous and selfish.

even if etf2l were to only care about skill then this shitty player would still be banned

[quote=Fire]here and your whole mentality of 'etf2l should only care about skill' is ridiculous and selfish.[/quote]

even if etf2l were to only care about skill then this shitty player would still be banned

#85

lazybear

ETF2L

6 Frags – +

Congrats Jedi. You played yourself.

#86

Aoshi

31 Frags – +

Okay, I'll defend myself real quick because Jedi is just going to fully leak the conversation anyway.

Firstly, yes I find dealing with these kind of cases retarded. They're a waste of my limited free time and I'd rather spend my time on actually hosting/managing the tournaments rather then having the deal with petty drama. Its messy and takes a lot of time and effort to properly look into.

This case in particular is stupid because its basically telling a player that knew he would be banned that there are indeed consequences, which in this case is an indefinite blacklisting until the video is gone. I tried to understand his train of though before fully applying it but he seems to not have any remorse or understanding of what he reuploaded even after I gave him the details to the case which will remain private for the rest.

I'll copy-paste a section that I've commented before as to why we include off-site content.

Its pretty straight forward really, on-site only includes the forums and comments. No match logs, steam chats, discord and so on and so forth. To be able to take in cases fully it will require us to look at off-site evidence when presented.

I'll add onto that, that generally off-site is ignored unless if its directly linked to ETF2L.

This case is a nice example as Jedi is talking about an ETF2L admin case. The platform where this is done has little impact on that. The largest issue with the video in itself at this point is that its spreading misinformation. This because it was only a small part of the reason why the original player got banned yet it constantly gets depicted as the only thing that he did wrong.

JediIf and admin tells me to put a giant cactus up my ass and if I don't put a giant cactus up my ass I can get banned.

What?
This is one of weirdest analogies I've ever seen. Yes you can get banned for going against what an admin says. The request of the admin will not be anything ridiculous and if it is then the position of that admin will be questioned instead as we work as a group.
Your super simplistic example is made as ridiculous as possible. You could replace the cactus with any other element and it would still hold true.

"An admin told me that I would get a minor warning if I use 2 pyros during a game. We used 2 pyros during a game and got warning."
"An admin told me I would get a default loss if I abuse a bug. I abused it and now I got a default loss."

Your punishment is an indefinite ban that is just directly linked to your own stubbornness at this point. So there is very little discussion that is still relevant to it.

On a different side note that I do want to address. We have been slacking a bit with some recent admin cases as well as lack of cups. Mainly due to some lack of motivation and communication. We'll be paying extra attention to work on these in the near future. Working with volunteers that do this in their spare time will always make it difficult but we'll always aim to make the league better.

Okay, I'll defend myself real quick because Jedi is just going to fully leak the conversation anyway.

Firstly, yes I find dealing with these kind of cases retarded. They're a waste of my limited free time and I'd rather spend my time on actually hosting/managing the tournaments rather then having the deal with petty drama. Its messy and takes a lot of time and effort to properly look into.

This case in particular is stupid because its basically telling a player that knew he would be banned that there are indeed consequences, which in this case is an indefinite blacklisting until the video is gone. I tried to understand his train of though before fully applying it but he seems to not have any remorse or understanding of what he reuploaded even after I gave him the details to the case which will remain private for the rest.

I'll copy-paste a section that I've commented before as to why we include off-site content.
[quote]
Its pretty straight forward really, on-site only includes the forums and comments. No match logs, steam chats, discord and so on and so forth. To be able to take in cases fully it will require us to look at off-site evidence when presented.
[/quote]
I'll add onto that, that generally off-site is ignored unless if its directly linked to ETF2L.

This case is a nice example as Jedi is talking about an ETF2L admin case. The platform where this is done has little impact on that. The largest issue with the video in itself at this point is that its spreading misinformation. This because it was only a small part of the reason why the original player got banned yet it constantly gets depicted as the only thing that he did wrong.

[quote=Jedi]If and admin tells me to put a giant cactus up my ass and if I don't put a giant cactus up my ass I can get banned.[/quote]
What?
This is one of weirdest analogies I've ever seen. Yes you can get banned for going against what an admin says. The request of the admin will not be anything ridiculous and if it is then the position of that admin will be questioned instead as we work as a group.
Your super simplistic example is made as ridiculous as possible. You could replace the cactus with any other element and it would still hold true.

"An admin told me that I would get a minor warning if I use 2 pyros during a game. We used 2 pyros during a game and got warning."
"An admin told me I would get a default loss if I abuse a bug. I abused it and now I got a default loss."

Your punishment is an indefinite ban that is just directly linked to your own stubbornness at this point. So there is very little discussion that is still relevant to it.

On a different side note that I do want to address. We have been slacking a bit with some recent admin cases as well as lack of cups. Mainly due to some lack of motivation and communication. We'll be paying extra attention to work on these in the near future. Working with volunteers that do this in their spare time will always make it difficult but we'll always aim to make the league better.

#87

lazybear

ETF2L

13 Frags – +

Any Bethesda PR people here that can help us with our rep? We have plans to take ETF2L to mobile only.

#88

Cronk

10 Frags – +

what is dangerous about this video now again?

#89

Glastry

3 Frags – +

Cronkwhat is dangerous about this video now again?

Nothing, but jedi succeeded to trigger ETF2L admins..

[quote=Cronk]what is dangerous about this video now again?[/quote]
Nothing, but jedi succeeded to trigger ETF2L admins..

#90

YeeHaw

8 Frags – +

AoshiThis because it was only a small part of the reason why the original player got banned yet it constantly gets depicted as the only thing that he did wrong.

so what else did he do wrong, apart from upload the video?

[quote=Aoshi]This because it was only a small part of the reason why the original player got banned yet it constantly gets depicted as the only thing that he did wrong.[/quote]
so what else did he do wrong, apart from upload the video?